Fresh from COP 30 in Brazil, climate leader Catherine Abreu joins host Catherine McKenna to break down what's really happening in global climate negotiations. They explore why women and Indigenous peoples are driving the most effective climate solutions, how to maintain hope when progress feels slow, and why joy isn't just nice to have—it's essential for staying in the fight. A conversation about power, perseverance, and the collective action that's actually moving the needle on climate change.