Nate chats with entrepreneur/technologist Benji Rogers. They talk about meeting years ago at Fergie's Pub, growing up in a family of music industry managers, getting into music, the true purpose of streaming, the CD-R and MP3 era, Bandcamp, content collapse, the give & take of technology, Substack, Sureel.AI and attribution, and how it has been received by the industry. Then, Benji hangs out for The Jawntlet!