186. Preventing School Shootings: Jonathan Cogburn on the Conservative Case for School Counseling

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You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist

Stephanie Winn

194 episodes

2 days ago

A podcast at the intersection of psychology and culture that intimately explores the human experience and critiques the counseling profession. Your host, Stephanie Winn, distills wisdom gained from her practice as a family therapist and coach while pivoting towards questions of how to apply a practical understanding of psychology to the novel dilemmas of the 21st century, from political polarization to medical malpractice. What does ethical mental health care look like in a normless age, as our moral compasses spin in search of true north? How can therapists treat patients under pressure to affirm everything from the notion of "gender identity" to assisted suicide? Primarily a long-form interview podcast, Stephanie invites unorthodox, free-thinking guests from many walks of life, including counselors, social workers, medical professionals, writers, researchers, and people with unique lived experience, such as detransitioners. Curious about many things, Stephanie’s interdisciplinary psychological lens investigates challenging social issues and inspires transformation in the self, relationships, and society. She is known for bringing calm warmth to painful subjects, and astute perceptiveness to ethically complex issues. Pick up a torch to illuminate the dark night and join us on this journey through the inner wilderness. You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ranks in the top 1% globally according to ListenNotes. New episodes are released every Monday. Three and a half years after the show's inception in May of 2022, Stephanie became a Christian, representing the crystallization of moral, spiritual, and existential views she had been openly grappling with along with her audience and guests. Newer episodes (#188 forward) may sometimes reflect a Christian understanding, interwoven with and applied to the same issues the podcast has always addressed. The podcast remains diverse and continues to feature guests from all viewpoints.

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186. Preventing School Shootings: Jonathan Cogburn on the Conservative Case for School Counseling

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist

1 hour 40 minutes

2 months ago

186. Preventing School Shootings: Jonathan Cogburn on the Conservative Case for School Counseling

In this compelling follow-up conversation, I welcome back Jonathan Cogburn, a licensed marriage and family therapist from Texas, to explore a nuanced conservative perspective on mental health services in schools. While we've covered many concerns about ideological overreach in school counseling on this podcast, Jonathan makes a thoughtful case for why certain levels of mental health intervention are not just appropriate but indispensable in our current educational landscape.

We dive deep into the McKinney-Vento Act and its implications for students experiencing homelessness - a critical issue that most therapists haven't even heard about. Jonathan shares his extensive experience working with behavioral threat assessment teams and reveals surprising data about successfully prevented school attacks. We explore how schools can create positive cultures that prevent violence upstream, the proper boundaries between school support and parental roles, and why some vulnerable student populations desperately need these services.

This conversation challenges us to think beyond binary positions about school mental health services, examining what a "just right" balance looks like that serves students while respecting parental authority and avoiding ideological indoctrination.

Jonathan Cogburn is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in West Texas who currently works for an agency that provides a variety of support to school districts in his area In that role he delivers state-required mental health training to districts, supports rural school counselors and homeless student liaisons, and co-leads a team of licensed professionals and school counselors that respond to crises and disasters. Follow Jonathan @SystemicTexism on X or on Substack.

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[00:00:00] Start
[00:02:45] Defining McKinney-Vento and Student Homelessness
[00:05:40] Unaccompanied Youth and School Support Systems
[00:08:50] Mental Health Professionals’ Role in Identifying Homeless Students
[00:14:10] Student Leadership Summit and Success Stories
[00:18:10] Association of Mental Health Professionals Conference Recap
[00:19:45] Detransition Language Discussion
[00:23:05] Values and Ethics in School Mental Health Services
[00:29:45] Social Emotional Learning (SEL) Explained
[00:33:00] Voluntary vs. Imposed Therapy for Students
[00:40:13] Problems with Suicide Awareness Campaigns for Children
[00:46:00] Overmedicalization and the Origins of Family Therapy
[00:51:00] Family Therapy’s Historical Role and Modern Challenges
[00:55:00] Appropriate Levels of School-Based Intervention
[01:04:30] Behavioral Threat Assessment Overview
[01:35:30] Restoring School Function and Readiness

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