192. Inside Detrans.AI: The Tool Revealing Why People Leave Trans Identity

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You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist

Stephanie Winn

194 episodes

2 days ago

A podcast at the intersection of psychology and culture that intimately explores the human experience and critiques the counseling profession. Your host, Stephanie Winn, distills wisdom gained from her practice as a family therapist and coach while pivoting towards questions of how to apply a practical understanding of psychology to the novel dilemmas of the 21st century, from political polarization to medical malpractice. What does ethical mental health care look like in a normless age, as our moral compasses spin in search of true north? How can therapists treat patients under pressure to affirm everything from the notion of "gender identity" to assisted suicide? Primarily a long-form interview podcast, Stephanie invites unorthodox, free-thinking guests from many walks of life, including counselors, social workers, medical professionals, writers, researchers, and people with unique lived experience, such as detransitioners. Curious about many things, Stephanie’s interdisciplinary psychological lens investigates challenging social issues and inspires transformation in the self, relationships, and society. She is known for bringing calm warmth to painful subjects, and astute perceptiveness to ethically complex issues. Pick up a torch to illuminate the dark night and join us on this journey through the inner wilderness. You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ranks in the top 1% globally according to ListenNotes. New episodes are released every Monday. Three and a half years after the show's inception in May of 2022, Stephanie became a Christian, representing the crystallization of moral, spiritual, and existential views she had been openly grappling with along with her audience and guests. Newer episodes (#188 forward) may sometimes reflect a Christian understanding, interwoven with and applied to the same issues the podcast has always addressed. The podcast remains diverse and continues to feature guests from all viewpoints.

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192. Inside Detrans.AI: The Tool Revealing Why People Leave Trans Identity | Peter James Steven

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist

1 hour 10 minutes

3 weeks ago

192. Inside Detrans.AI: The Tool Revealing Why People Leave Trans Identity | Peter James Steven

Today I’m joined by the founder of Detrans.AI, an innovative chatbot and data tool designed to amplify the perspectives of detransitioners. A young web developer from Wellington, New Zealand, Peter shares how his journey began with trying to understand a loved one, and how his search for answers led him to discover the largely silenced stories of those with transition regret.

We dive deep into the technical and ethical decisions Peter made while building Detrans.ai, including his choice to use a Chinese AI model (Kimi K2) to avoid the pro-gender ideology bias baked into Western AI systems like ChatGPT. Peter walks us through the site's powerful data visualizations, which reveal striking patterns: the peak ages for transition and detransition, the gender differences in why people transition (with autogynephilia prominent for males and internalized misogyny for females), and perhaps most importantly—that proper psychotherapy is the number one factor leading to detransition for females.

We explore how parents and questioning individuals can use this tool, the social backlash Peter has faced for creating it, and why dismantling the "born this way" narrative is essential for protecting young people experiencing gender distress. This conversation offers hope that ethical therapists are beginning to step forward and that tools like Detrans.ai can help bridge the gap between concerned parents and the truth about what's really driving the gender crisis.

Peter James Steven is a developer and designer from Wellington, New Zealand. He recently developed a sited called detrans.ai to promote the experiences and perspectives of detransitioners. Detrans.ai is primarily a chatbot that deconstructs gender concepts and to promotes holistic, non-medical approaches to healing gender distress. It integrates knowledge from the /r/detrans subreddit, which is the largest open collection of detrans experiences on the internet. Follow him on X @pjamessteven.

[00:00:00] Start
[00:03:45] Why the "Born This Way" Narrative Is Toxic
[00:09:30] Building AI Without Gender Ideology Bias
[00:17:45] The 5000% Increase in Gender Dysphoria Referrals
[00:27:30] Analyzing 2,700 Detransitioner Stories
[00:35:00] Male vs Female Transition Reasons Compared
[00:42:32] What Actually Causes People to Detransition
[00:49:27] Tour of the Detrans.ai Platform
[00:57:45] Debunking Common Gender Ideology Myths
[01:02:35] Message to Detransitioners and Closing Thoughts

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