On this episode of the Bread and Butter Podcast, Tayo and Eman sit in Dubai with architect and founder Ryan Sailsman. He breaks down how a boy from Leytonstone ends up designing and building villas for the top one percent in Dubai. Ryan shares how years of moving across London, growing up between working class estates and wealth in central London, and watching his dad build major projects in Dubai shaped his mindset. He walks through flopping his A levels, getting misadvised at sixth form, rebuilding through art college, then fighting through redundancy, construction crashes and lockdowns. Ryan explains why collaboration sits at the heart of his company Show. From partnering with a 50 person real estate firm to paying agents twice on deals through renovation commissions, he shows how aligned incentives create value for everyone. If you want real talk on resilience, money, migration, and building a service based business in Dubai, this episode is for you. 🎧 Tap in now, and don’t forget to Like, Share & Subscribe! The Bread and Butter by Emmanuel Asuquo & Tayo Oguntonade is not your typical finance or business podcast, it explores real-life stories of how money plays a part in our day-to-day life - with no boundaries, no secrets and no censorship. In each episode we invite you to be a fly in the room when we discuss money taboos, key financial advice and some of the hottest money topics online, often with well-known guests from influencers, athletes to musicians. Together we discuss money in a super relatable way, talk about the impacts it's had on their journey and the role it plays today. Topics will revolve around how money plays a part in parenting, living and working abroad, entrepreneurship and content creation & more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices