Struggling to understand your partner, your boss… or even yourself? Human Development Engineer Jim Marshall unveils Septemics, a framework that reveals 7 levels shaping every relationship.
In this mind-expanding episode of The 4 Habits Podcast, Jim unpacks how behavioural patterns can be mapped, measured, and transformed — and why so many of us keep repeating the same conflicts without even realising it.
Drawing on over 50,000 hours of research, Jim introduces Septemics: a tool for navigating trust, conflict, leadership, and personal growth through 35 “scales” of human experience. Whether you’re a coach, team leader, or simply want to communicate better at home, this conversation will equip you to relate more intentionally — and grow with clarity.
💡 What you’ll learn:
✔️ Why people repeat the same unhealthy patterns (and how to break them)
✔️ The 7-level scale that governs every behaviour
✔️ Why trust, conflict, and communication all depend on perspective
✔️ How to “map” where someone is on a behavioural scale — and meet them there
✔️ How to resolve tension without blame
✔️ Why measuring potential can improve relationships
✔️ How to bring structure to complex emotional dynamics
⏱️ EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS (TIMESTAMPS)
00:00 | Meet Jim Marshall — polymath and human development engineer
01:30 | What exactly is Septemics?
04:15 | The 7-level behavioural scales — and why they matter
06:30 | Why we misjudge people’s intent and capacity
08:50 | Can relationships be “mapped” and measured?
11:00 | Using Septemics to resolve tension without blame
13:20 | Scales of Acceptance, Affinity, and Relationship
15:15 | Real-world case study: shifting a marriage dynamic
18:40 | The biggest mistake in self-growth work
20:20 | Why trying to “fix” others backfires
22:30 | Building emotional safety through awareness
24:00 | The relationship between responsibility and power
26:10 | How Septemics fits with The 4 Habits
29:00 | What Jim hopes future generations will do with this framework
32:00 | How to get started with Septemics today
✅ NEXT STEPS
📍 Connect with Jim Marshall
– Website: https://septemics.com
– LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-marshall-b10982205
– Book: Septemics: Hierarchies of Human Phenomena – available on Amazon and via his site
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