The First Sparring Of The Great Debate
The first sparring of The Great Debate takes place here with the Christian & atheist getting five questions to ask for the other to answer. While we aren't used to this format, this really lays out the needed back and forth interaction that a lot of debates lack within a formal structure. It's not the blood-sport debates we're used to on YouTube but it helps with each side making sure the other is interacting with their points the best.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
03:22 - Q1 - Source For Atheism Definition
04:03 - A1 - Source Cited
05:15 - Q2 - Cite The Argument Used By Bahnsen
05:36 - A2 - No But You Believe It
06:49 - Q3 - Where's The Transcendental Argument
07:50 - A3 - No Because It's Not A Proof
08:12 - Commentary - Stein Was Helpful For Presuppositionalists
10:49 - Q4 - All Questions Answered The Same Way
11:08 - A4 - No They Are Not
11:34 - Q5 & A5 - What Does An Atheist Believe Laws Of Logic Are
14:21 - Atheist
14:41 - Q1 & Q2 - The Nature Of God
17:04 - Q2 & A2 - Is Your God All The Omnis
17:33 - Q3 & Q3 - If Argument Is Wrong Will God Not Exist
17:56 - Commentary - A Clarifying Comment On A "Problematic" Bahnsen
20:25 - Q4 & A4 - Is God Good
24:43 - Q5 & A5 - Can You Prove The Soul
26:38 - Conclusion





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9 More Attempts To Disprove God
Here are 9 more attempts by Dr. Gordon Stein to levy his critiques against traditional arguments for God. With all 11 of them, has there been any that have addressed the claims presented by Dr. Greg Bahnsen? What do you think about these critiques?
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:54 - The Revealed Theology Argument Taken Down - No Circles
02:57 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - Two Issues
06:20 - The Miracles Argument Taken Down - No Begging Allowed
07:56 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - Only Atheists Can Beg It Seems
10:35 - The Perfect God Argument Taken Down - Existence First
12:26 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - Agrees With Being Careful
13:37 - The Moral Argument Taken Down - Not Need & Different Values
15:29 - The Wish Argument Taken Down - Nice But Not True
16:21 - The Faith Argument Taken Down - No Reason Unless Reason
17:24 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - All Reason Rests On Faith
20:09 - The Religious Experience Argument Taken Down - It's Only Feelings
21:56 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - Agree But For Different Reasons
22:30 - The Pascal's Wager Argument Taken Down - How To Pick?
25:06 - Conclusion





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Atheist Attempts To Disprove God
It's now Dr. Gordon Stein's turn in the debate. This atheist attempts to disprove God in 11 different ways. However, what seems to happen here is the use of an odd definition for God and an actual need for one more argument - the one Dr. Bahnsen uses.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
05:59 - Dr. Gordon Stein's Opening Statement - On Facts
07:01 - Atheist Stein's Definition Of Atheism
09:27 - Atheist Stein's Definition Of God
11:45 - Atheist Takes Down 11 Proofs For The Existence Of God
13:38 - The Cosmological Argument Taken Down - The Uncaused Universe
16:40 - Joshua Pillows Commentary Against Stein's Presentation
21:14 - Joshua Pillows Commentary Against The Cosmological Argument
23:55 - The Design Argument Taken Down - The Undesigned Universe
26:29 - The Life Argument Taken Down - The Unmoved Life
28:42 - Joshua Pillow Commentary Against Stein's Induction
31:54 - Conclusion

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30:19 - Dr. Jason Lisle Does Some Science





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3 Important Claims In The Great Debate
Here is Dr. Greg Bahnsen's 3 important claims in the Great Debate. The first two are there to sweep away a lot of confusion Dr. Stein and other atheists have when it comes to the type of argumentation presuppositionalists use. Unfortunately, Dr. Stein didn't seem to be prepared to actually engage in that type of debate as we'll see in the coming weeks.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:36 - The 3 Claims Of Bahnsen's Opening Statement
06:00 - Cracker's Don't Matter! - The Nature Of Evidence Between Christians & Atheists
11:12 - Presuppositional Conflict Of Worldviews
26:54 - The Transcendental Argument For God As A Positive Claim
31:49 - Conclusion





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Setting The Stage
We open our 14th book by setting the stage for The Great Debate. We cover the Forward by Eli Ayala and Preface by Joshua Pillows, who give the background for the debate and speakers. Then we dive into Dr. Greg Bahnsen's opening statement, where he uses most of his time covering what the debate is and what it isn't. He also covers why he's going to talk about the Christian form of theism and how the debate can be an objective matter and not a subjective one.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
03:39 - Forward By Eli Ayala (Revealed Apologetics)
09:07 - Preface To The Debate
14:56 - The Book's Format
16:34 - Bahnsen's Opening - Setting The Stage For The Debate
17:40 - 3 Reasons Why To Argue For Christian Theism Not General Theism
21:09 - Defining Your Terms & The Debate Is & Isn't
22:34 - 3 Reasons To Focus On Objective Matters, Not Subjective
26:32 - The Nature Of The Debate
29:20 - Conclusion





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Book 14 Announcement
For our 14th book, we dive into one of the great moments for presuppositional apologetics. The debate between Greg Bahnsen and Gordon Stein in 1985 is a seminal watershed moment in apologetics history. Join us, starting next week, as we walk through the debate with the book The Great Debate edited and commented on by Joshua Pillows.




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Christianity Can Integrate With Science
Christianity can integrate with science. In fact, the scientific revolution was only made possible because of the Christian worldview and those people who sought to discover just exactly how God ordered the universe. Only post-Enlightenment anachronistic history puts Christianity and science at odds with each other. So, this is our last plea to reject scientism and embrace a worldview that justifies true science.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
00:51 - How Should Christianity Integrate Science
01:50 - Suggestion 1 - The Two Realms Model
03:22 - Suggestion 2 - The Complementarian Model
05:06 - The Danger Of The Complementarian Model
09:14 - Suggestion 3 - The Presupposition Approach Model
10:27 - Suggestion 4 - The Practical Application Model
11:36 - Suggestion 5 - The Direct Interaction Model
13:40 - The Conflict This Model Causes
15:20 - When Should We Go Against The Experts In Science?
16:53 - Scenario 1 - Is There An Alt Bible Interpretation Available?
17:33 - Scenario 2 - A Set Of Experts That Goes Against The Other Experts
21:09 - Scenario 3 - If There Are Historic Or Philosophical Issues With Holding To The Majority Expert Views
26:00 - Scenario 4 - The Sociological Explanations For Forcing Majority Expert Views
27:44 - Scenario 5 - Theological Issues With Holding To Majority View
30:51 - Scenario 6 - Ideas That Go Against The Christian Worldview
32:41 - One Final Plea
34:53 - Conclusion





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Can Science Integrate With Christianity?
Now that we have knocked down scientism, are Christians left without being able to use science? Is science without the worldview that provided for its justification and moral guards? Why not at all, says J. P. Moreland who provides a foundation for how science integrate with Christianity.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
02:39 - Can You Integrate Science & Christianity?
08:11 - 2 Types Of Integration - Conceptual & Personal
11:47 - 3 Ways Science Provides Rational Truth Claims For Christians
12:37 - 1 - Direct Defense
15:28 - 2 - Polemics
16:26 - 3 - Positive Christian Explanations
18:21 - Conclusion





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Why God Of The Gaps Is A Bad Objection
While finishing our discussion on why methodological naturalism should be rejected, we deal with another bad objection to Christians having a place in the science world. The charge of believing in a "God of the gaps" is levied at Christians to scoff at their history in science. We take a look at it and offer up "nuh huh" and "you do it too"!
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
03:01 - The 2 Reasons To Reject Methodological Naturalism
03:49 - Science Already Allows For Intelligence As An Explanation
06:52 - Human Sciences Allow Intelligence As An Explanation
07:46 - Distortion Of Natural Science To Keep Out Intelligence
13:43 - Responding To The Bad God Of The Gaps Objection
15:54 - Objection 1 - God Is Not Limited To Gaps
17:41 - Objection 2 - Not Offering Evidence In Ignorance But Positive Explanation
21:43 - Objection 3 - There Are Gaps That Need Explanation
23:16 - Two Ways God Acts Intelligently That Gives Us Explanations
26:33 - Empirical Vs. Historical Science Doesn't Count Out Intelligent Explanations
29:26 - Intelligence Design Differs From Creation Science
31:26 - Conclusion





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The Danger Of Methodological Naturalism
Before we talk about how Christianity should integrate science, we need to talk about how NOT to do it. The dangers of methodological naturalism aren't realized for those in camps like theistic evolution. Here, we look at why methodological naturalism doesn't work out for those who want to have both God and evolution.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:16 - One Bad Way To Integrate Christianity & Naturalism
03:05 - Intelligent Design Intro
03:59 - The Blind Watchmaker Is A Bad Argument
06:18 - Intelligent Design IS A Science
07:19 - Methodological Naturalism Should Be Rejected
08:19 - What Is Theistic Evolutionists
10:46 - The Revival Of Methodological Naturalism
13:48 - What's Wrong With Theistic Evolution & Methodological Naturalism
17:03 - Failed Explanations For What Counts As Science
19:47 - Failed Explanation That Something Is Held Tentatively
21:16 - Failed Explanation That It Appeals To Natural Laws
22:35 - Conclusion





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Fine Tuning, Consciousness, & Morality
Finishing up on the 5 things science can't explain: Fine Tuning, Consciousness, & Morality. In a "physical only" science setting these ideas are best left alone. It winds up either with no reason to hold anyone accountable for anything or the need to discard scientism and possibly let theism into the picture. GASP!
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:05 - Can't Explain 3 - Fine Tuning
04:40 - Naturalists Attempt To Explain Away Fine Tuning
06:57 - The Destruction Of The Multiverse Theory
09:45 - Can't Explain 4 - Origin Of Consciousness
12:13 - Science Fails To Provide An Explanation Of Mental States
13:54 - Science Fails To Provide An Explanation Mind-Body Relationship
17:12 - Why Science Fails At Mind-Body Relationship Explanation
20:31 - Can't Explain 5 - Morality, Rationality, & Esthetic Laws
23:54 - Conclusion





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Science Can't Explain Origin Or Laws
Looking at how philosophy first holds its place over science, we look at five things science can't explain - but Theism can. Two of those things it can't explain are origin or laws. That is, the origin of the universe and the fundamental laws of nature. You'd think this would be an area that science could tackle. However, naturalism fails to explain both, and science needs theism to get it started.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:58 - 5 Things Science Can't Explain But Theism Can
03:38 - There Are Many Things Science Can't Explain And That's Ok
04:36 - Can't Explain 1 - The Origin Of The Universe
04:57 - Philosophical Evidence Of The Beginning Of The Universe
08:58 - The Scientific Evidence Of The Beginning Of The Universe
12:12 - Something Comes From Nothing - How Science Cheats At Nothing
15:30 - The Cause Of The Universe Is Personal & How Science Fails To Explain Other
17:57 - 3 Reasons Science Can't Explain The Origin Of The Universe
21:02 - 2 Outcomes From The Result Of Science Not Being Able To Explain The Origin Of The Universe
23:18 - Can't Explain 2 - The Origin Of Fundamental Laws Of Nature
24:15 - Conclusion





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Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons
On vacation this week, so this is my (Patrick's) message on the final portion of Titus, Titus 3:12-15. With epistle beginnings and endings, sometimes we glance over them and view them as superfluous or boring. But those are just as authoritative and important as any portion of God's Word to His Church. We read these sections, and we can meet the challenge - don't be bored, be active!

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