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Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
CHD Media
45 episodes
19 hours ago
A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
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Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 45: Jeff LoVecchio - Cut, Overmatched, Now Unstoppable

Why the kids who struggle early often last the longest.

Scott and Jamie sit down with Jeff LoVecchio -  former D1 and pro player, longtime Hockey Think Tank co-host, and founder of GMBM: Give More Be More to unpack a hockey journey built on getting cut, staying patient and learning how to own your development.

Jeff walks through growing up in St. Louis with grounded parents who refused to fight his battles, getting cut from teams, playing one or two shifts a game his first year of AAA, and being forced to look in the mirror instead of blaming coaches. He explains how those moments, not early dominance, shaped his confidence, work ethic, and long-term success.

The conversation dives into what Jeff sees now after 18 years training thousands of players: why parents rush too early, how over-scheduling hurts development, why competition and discomfort matter, and how mentorship, not micromanagement, changes outcomes.

In this episode:

  • Getting cut and why it was the best thing that happened to him
  • Parents who didn’t call coaches and why that mattered
  • The danger of trying to build the “best 10-year-old”
  • What real development actually looks like over time


It’s an honest reminder for hockey parents everywhere: the path isn’t clean, progress isn’t linear, and the kids who learn to struggle early are often the ones still standing at the end.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

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1 day ago
1 hour 52 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 44: The Hockey Guys - From Dorm Room Chaos to Working With the NHL

How a COVID accident became the biggest vibes-driven hockey brand in the game.

Scott and Jamie sit down with Jonny and Austin, two of the original Hockey Guys, to break down how a group of college teammates stuck in online classes accidentally built a brand that now partners with more than half the NHL.

They walk through the real story: Ontario and Manitoba childhoods, leaving home early, billet adventures, injuries, and the mental grind that shaped them long before TikTok. Then they explain why their content works, why fans who never played hockey connect with them, and how “just being the boys” ended up doing more to grow the game than any marketing campaign.

In this episode:

  • The COVID dorm-room moment that launched a media brand
  • Why the NHL hands them the keys to so many events
  • The real junior hockey path: billets, pressure, setbacks, and family support
  • Ontario vs. Manitoba: two childhoods, same love for the game

It’s funny, honest, and unexpectedly insightful...the story of how guys who just wanted to play hockey ended up changing how it’s shared with the world.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

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1 week ago
1 hour 58 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 43: The Skating Myths Parents Keep Getting Wrong (with NHL Skating Coach - Angelo Serse)

From Queens to the NHL - and why most of youth hockey is overthinking it.

Scott and Jamie sit down with Angelo Serse - ProStride Elite founder, New Jersey Devils skating coach, U14 Youth Devils national champion, and Ozone Park kid who nearly quit hockey on Day 1.

Angelo shares his unique path: immigrant parents staring at a $2,500 AAA bill, his mom driving to Plattsburgh in snowstorms because he loved the game, and a late-blooming college opportunity that didn’t hit until his senior year. From there, he breaks down what families misunderstand about skating, development, and the “race” they think they’re in.

In this episode:

  • Why mite kids quit when they can’t skate and how games like tag and Superman dives keep them hooked
  • Sweden & Finland’s model: three sports, one club, no team-hopping
  • Figure skating vs. hockey and why the mechanics don’t translate

Concise, sharp, and myth-busting, this is the skating conversation every hockey family needs before spending another dollar.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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2 weeks ago
2 hours 21 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 42: The Mind Behind the Madness with Vinny Malts on Nerves, Pressure & What Really Builds Players

Scott and Jamie sit down with Vinny Malts - founder of Bloodline Hockey, longtime pro, and the first mental-performance coach ever hired by the NHL to dig into the side of development nobody sees but every kid feels.

Vinny walks through his wild rise from Philadelphia street hockey, to being drafted by the Vancouver Canucks, to a career-altering ankle injury that eventually pushed him toward mindset work. He also opens up about the depression he battled every postseason, the nervous-system science parents overlook, and why so many young players fall apart long before they fall behind.

In this episode:
• How Philly street hockey built elite small-area skill without a single lesson
• Why nervous-system overload, not attitude, destroys confidence
• The truth about comparison, early bloomers, and “falling behind”
• How parents unintentionally model the wrong behaviors
• Tools every family can use to handle pressure without killing joy

It’s part therapy session, part player-development masterclass and the perspective every hockey parent needs before their next car ride home.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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3 weeks ago
2 hours 5 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 41: From Tiger Mom to Junior Ducks (with Alex Kim)

Surviving one of the wildest hockey paths you’ll ever hear.

Scott and Jamie sit down with Alex Kim - former pro, Colorado College standout, and now Director of the Jr. Ducks to unpack a hockey journey unlike anything in the sport.

Alex walks through growing up in non-hockey Southern California under a tiger-mom who preferred harpsichord, abacus, and speed-reading over slapshots, negotiating just to play the sport, and leaving home at 15 for the Soo - where culture shock, racism, and sheer grit shaped everything that came next.

He also shares the twists that defined his career: turning down Ivy League offers, transferring colleges, and playing professionally in Europe and Korea. It’s a raw look at development, identity, sacrifice, and how much parents shape the journey without even realizing it.

In this episode:

  • Growing up outside the traditional hockey pipeline
  • Facing cultural and racial adversity in Michigan
  • Billet challenges and the mental toll of leaving home early
  • Why parents chase the wrong milestones
  • The “hockey as a vehicle” philosophy

If you want perspective, humility, and a real look at what development actually requires… Alex delivers.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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4 weeks ago
2 hours 15 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 40: The Long Game (with Bob Mancini - USA Hockey Assistant Executive Director of Hockey Development)

Why real development takes patience, perspective, and a lot less panic.

Scott and Jamie sit down with Bob Mancini - one of USA Hockey’s most influential minds and a key architect of the American Development Model (ADM) - to talk about what it really means to develop players the right way.

Mancini breaks down how small-area games, delayed checking, and skill-first systems aren’t just buzzwords, they’re the building blocks of a generation that can think the game, not just play it. He also gets candid about the cultural challenges holding youth hockey back: parent pressure, fear of falling behind, and mistaking busyness for development.

In this episode:

  • The science (and sanity) behind the ADM
  • Why delayed checking created smarter, safer players
  • How “more” hockey often leads to less growth
  • What parents misunderstand about the path and what scouts actually see

It’s the reminder every parent, coach, and player needs mid-season: progress isn’t instant, but it lasts a lifetime if you do it right.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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1 month ago
1 hour 55 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 39: The Parent Mailbag - Position Changes, Pressure, and Perspective

Real stories. Real questions. Real hockey chaos.

This week, Scott and Jamie open up the inbox for a round of listener write-ins - the unfiltered questions and confessions from hockey parents everywhere. From kids getting moved to defense mid-season to dealing with burnout, overthinking, and team drama, this one’s part advice column, part group therapy.

In this episode:
- When your kid’s position changes and it messes with both your heads
- The parent who realized they needed a reset more than their player
- How to stay supportive when the season feels heavier than it should
- The fine line between “helping” and hovering

Plus: Scott and Jamie’s take on why sometimes the best thing you can do… is shut up and drive home

It’s an honest, funny, and surprisingly relatable peek into the real questions every hockey family wrestles with, whether they say them out loud or not.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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1 month ago
1 hour 28 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 38: Build the Dog, Not the Robot (with Anthony LoSauro)

How compete, chaos, and balance actually build better athletes.

Scott and Jamie sit down with Anthony LoSauro - longtime North Jersey Avalanche dad, Bergen Catholic fooball alum, and founder of Towermen Lacrosse - for a straight-shooting talk on raising kids who love to compete without turning them into mini-pros. From never giving up on his passion to driving development through curiosity (not clinics), Anthony shares how he’s built a foundation rooted in work, fun, and real life - not hype.

In this episode:

  • Why compete matters more than choreography
  • How the “wild dog” stage is essential - if you teach control later
  • What youth sports lost when dads started “manufacturing athletes”
  • Why his kids play fewer teams, more sports, and still get better

A must-listen for any parent trying to balance the drive to win with the goal of raising good humans who still love the ride.


Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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1 month ago
1 hour 58 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 37: Finding the Flow (2 Month Check-In)

Two months in, and the dust is finally settling. Systems are clicking(ish), rides are less chaotic (maybe), and your kid might even be tying their own skates! Progress?

Scott and Jamie sit down for an early season pulse check - the highs, the lows, and the subtle wins you only notice when you zoom out. From dealing with performance lulls to celebrating quiet growth, this one’s about seeing the full picture of development (yours and theirs).

In this episode:
- Why “less is more” is the secret weapon of more “seasoned” parents
- When routine builds confidence and when that stops working
- Trying to let go of the daily micromanaging and playing the long game

Not every weekend needs to be epic. But if your kid’s still smiling and learning - you’re on the right track.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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1 month ago
1 hour 20 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 36: Development Without Delusion (with Doug Christiansen)

What matters, what doesn’t, and what’s actually next.

This week, Scott and Jamie sit down with Doug Christiansen, former D1 and pro player, ECHL GM/Head Coach, Team USA U17 Coach, USHL Deputy Commissioner, and current ECAC Hockey Commissioner, to dig into the real layers of youth hockey development - not the fantasy version parents like to believe. From the myths of early exposure to the truth about who’s really watching, Doug lays out a grounded, honest roadmap for families who want to support their player without losing the plot.

In this episode:
- Why more minutes at the right level beats fewer minutes at the top
- The real traits scouts and coaches look for - and when it matters
- The importance of strong local development, not early exits
- How ego and over-scheduling derail progress
- Why a kid’s mental and emotional readiness matters more than tier

If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re helping or just hurrying the process, Doug’s perspective is a must-listen. Smart, specific, and rooted in decades of experience - without the sales pitch.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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2 months ago
1 hour 33 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 35: The 5 Hour Commute to Practice (with Ben DeBlock)

One hell of a commute and a front-row seat to growing up.

This week, Scott and Jamie sit down with Ben DeBlock, a hockey dad who's clocked the hours, booked the hotels, and still wonders if he's getting it right. From navigating long drives and tryout stress to realizing when to pull back, Ben offers a grounded, honest look at what it really means to support your kid through the hockey grind.

In this episode:
- How Ben rethought the “more is more” mindset
- What structure gave their family and where it backfired
- Why listening to your kid and partner is part of the job

If you've ever asked, “Are we doing too much?”, Ben's been there. And he’s got the self-awareness (and mileage) to prove it.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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2 months ago
1 hour 38 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 34: The Salts, The Scoreboard, & the Stupid Stuff Some Normalize

Are we trying to win… or just trying too hard?

This week, Scott and Jamie unspool the madness of “win-at-all-costs” youth hockey, from kids ripping smelling salts in the locker room to coaches and parents acting like every weekend’s the Stanley Cup. What started as a joke turns into a serious question: when did we decide effort wasn’t enough?

In this episode:
- Smelling salts at 10U - what are we even doing?
- Why kids are mimicking intensity without understanding it
- When coaches push too far and confuse chaos for culture

How the pressure to “be ready” can backfire in every direction

This one’s not about dialing it down - it’s about dialing it in. Because hype doesn’t equal heart. And smelling salts don’t make your edges better.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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2 months ago
1 hour 14 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 33: From the Bench to the Blueprint (with Alec Marsh)

A player’s journey. A coach’s perspective. A parent’s wake-up call.

This week, Scott and Jamie sit down with Alec Marsh, former Penn State hockey forward and current assistant coach at Hobart College, for one of the most honest, insightful interviews CHD has ever aired.

Alec walks through his own path from elite youth hockey to college then pro.  Now as a coach, he’s on the other side of the glass, helping kids chase their goals without losing who they are.

In this episode:
- What kids actually remember about their hockey experience
- What it actually takes to succeed at the next level
- A coaching philosophy built on humans first, hockey second

Whether you’re in the grind, on the fence, or already down the rabbit hole, this one’s a gut check - in the best way.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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2 months ago
1 hour 22 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 32: If They’re Shutting Down, Lean In

New routines, new teams, big emotions - here’s how to show up.

This week, Scott and Jamie open up about the quiet signs that something might be off - not with the game, but with the kid. From sudden shifts in attitude to the moments where effort just disappears, this episode is about how to support your player when they’re struggling in ways they can’t explain yet.

In this episode:
- Jamie breaks down how outside stress can sneak into the rink 
- Why early-season emotions are real and how to not dismiss them as drama
- Tools for creating space, checking in, and helping kids feel heard when they’re spinning

It’s not about fixing. It’s about paying attention and giving your kid the confidence to face the mess, not hide from it.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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3 months ago
1 hour 15 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 31: What High School Hockey Gets Right

A team, a town, a letter on the jersey and why it still matters.

This week, Scott and Jamie bring on CHD dad and coach Brad for a conversation that flips the usual script. Instead of chasing the “next level,” they ask: what if the best thing for your kid is right in front of them?

It’s not about exposure. It’s not about rankings. It’s about belonging, identity, and the kind of growth that happens when you play for more than just yourself.

In this episode:

- Why high school hockey still builds something travel often can’t
- The surprising value of not being the best kid on the team
- How town pride, student sections, and shared locker rooms shape players differently
- A reminder that the path isn’t always “up” -  sometimes it’s right where you are

Whether your kid’s wearing varsity letters or still chasing them, this one’s a grounded take on what the game still offers when you zoom out a little.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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3 months ago
1 hour 28 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 30: And... We're Back

When the season shows up and punches you in the mouth.

The puck has dropped, emotions are high, and reality is… well, real. This week, Scott and Jamie debrief their opening weekends full of highs, lows, quiet panic, and that familiar reminder: this is going to be a ride.

In this episode:

  1. Jamie watches himself bounce back from being a crazy hockey dad 
  2. Scott realizes he still cares a little too much and maybe that’s okay
  3. Why letting your kid figure it out might be the best strategy - even when it’s hard

No big rants. No hot takes. Just two dads checking themselves before the season gets away from them.

If your weekend felt great and slightly soul-crushing… you’re in the right place.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Crazyhockeydads

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3 months ago
1 hour 25 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 29: Calm Down, It’s Just Week One

And its a marathon not a sprint...

Day 5 of CHD Mini-Camp: Be the Chill You Want to See

It’s one thing to tell your kid to stay composed, it’s another to actually model it. In the final day of Mini-Camp, Scott and Jamie talk about staying calm when emotions spike, mistakes pile up, and your parent brain wants to explode in the parking lot.

Because your kid doesn’t just need feedback, they need an anchor. And your energy sets the tone.

In this episode:

  • Why your stress becomes their stress
  • How to model emotional resets without pretending everything’s fine
  • Why it’s better to call a trusted friend than rant in the group chat
  • The power of owning your blowups and showing what bouncing back looks like

Tool of the Day: “Model the Reset”
You don’t have to be perfect - just grounded enough to show them how it’s done.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Crazyhockeydads

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3 months ago
26 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 28: Don’t Let Confidence Die in the Locker Room

Day 4 of CHD Mini-Camp: Mindset & Mental Recovery

One bad shift. One rough weekend. One emotional post-game chirp from the backseat. That’s all it takes to send a kid’s confidence into a spiral.

In Day 4 of Mini-Camp, Scott and Jamie go deep on what it really takes to keep your player mentally upright when things get messy. From post-game meltdowns to “two stars and a wish” feedback, this episode is your guide to protecting confidence without sugarcoating or making it worse.

In this episode:

  • Why post-game critiques often do more harm than good
  • The parenting trap of trying to fix instead of listen
  • How Scott and Jamie have wrecked (and rebuilt) their own kids' confidence
  • What “your reaction becomes their inner voice” really means

Takeaway Tool: “Stability > Stats” 
Protect the mindset - stay positive, even when the game wasn’t.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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3 months ago
21 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 27: Stop Comparing Your Kid to Joey (Seriously, Stop)

Day 3 of CHD Mini-Camp: Managing Expectations

If you've ever told your kid, “Why can’t you skate like Johnny?”, this one’s for you.

Today, Scott and Jamie get honest about the silent killer of youth hockey joy: comparison. From slapshot envy to AAA pressure spirals, this episode is a call to stop parenting the imaginary prodigy in your head… and start supporting the actual human in your house.

In this episode:

  • Why “progress, not perfection” needs to be your new family mantra
  • How comparison poisons confidence (for both kids and parents)
  • Real stories about backflips, bike tricks, and smelly U18 gloves
  • The underrated power of little wins and long games


Plus: Jamie admits to being pickleball stud, Scott confesses a dad-text before his men's league championship, and both CHD boys model how not to blow it in the driveway.

Takeaway Tool: “Progress > Paranoia”
Measure against yesterday, not someone else’s kid.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

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3 months ago
21 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
Episode 26: Say It Out Loud, Before You Text Something Stupid

Because bottling it up never helped anyone.

Day 2 of CHD Mini-Camp is here, and today’s tool might just save your sanity: communication.

Scott and Jamie break down what happens when parents don’t say the thing they’re dying to say and what usually happens when they say it too soon. From 24-hour rules to sideline showdowns, this is your guide to keeping it together, getting it out, and doing it the right way.

In this episode:

  • Why staying silent can make everything worse (even with good intentions)
  • The power of the 24–36 hour rule - yes, even for texts
  • How to approach a coach convo without being “that parent”
  • Teaching kids to speak up and model it like a grown-up
  • Why hanging out at the rink door isn’t communication, it’s chaos

Takeaway Tool: “Clear is Kind”
Say what needs to be said as the camera sees it, not as your emotions tell it.

If you're headed into a season with big feelings, tough rosters, or just general unease... don’t go quiet. Speak up, but speak smart.

Socials:
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazy.hockey.dads

X: https://x.com/Crazyhockeydads

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crazyhockeydadspodcast/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576627751551

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3 months ago
20 minutes

Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast
A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.