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Data Lit
Data, Research, and Accountability
90 episodes
4 days ago
Teachers are inundated with data, but none of those numbers will help if they're not paired with some accessible and informative data literacy training. This podcast seeks to empower teachers with the skills they'll need to turn the data given to them into powerful instructional practices. Recorded by educators within Wake County Public School System's Data, Research, and Accountability Department in Raleigh, NC. Learn more about the show as well as access data and assessment literacy resources at www.wcpss.net/datalit
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Teachers are inundated with data, but none of those numbers will help if they're not paired with some accessible and informative data literacy training. This podcast seeks to empower teachers with the skills they'll need to turn the data given to them into powerful instructional practices. Recorded by educators within Wake County Public School System's Data, Research, and Accountability Department in Raleigh, NC. Learn more about the show as well as access data and assessment literacy resources at www.wcpss.net/datalit
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Education
Episodes (20/90)
Data Lit
2025 Holiday Extravaganza!

We’re sharing the gift of knowledge with our third annual Holiday Extravaganza! There's a twist to this year's festivities, as we compete against our sister-podcast Work Smarter Not Harder in a holiday data trivia contest hosted by our colleague Daniel Bunce. Play along as you listen to test your seasonal traditions knowledge against the participants from Data, Research, and Accountability!

Follow Work Smart Not Harder on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Contact Data Lit via our website or at datalit@wcpss.net

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2 weeks ago
25 minutes 13 seconds

Data Lit
How District Leadership Uses Data to Drive School Improvement

Accountability reports are meant to drive school improvement, but too often they result in little more than anxiety and resentment. In this episode, we interview Lauren Curtis, Director of Progress Monitoring and Tiered Support, about how we can better support schools when it comes to this type of data. We discuss how vulnerability, shared responsibility, and incremental changes can help us bridge the divide that lies between accountability and action. 

Research & resources from the episode:

  • Center for Assessment - Strengthening Ties Between Accountability and School Improvement  

  • Dan Pink - Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us 

  • Douglas Reeves - The Learning Leader: How to Focus School Improvement for Better Results 

  • John Hattie - The Power of Feedback

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Theme music by Millbrook High School’s Tre’mond Ponton

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Contact us via our website or at datalit@wcpss.net

Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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1 month ago
28 minutes 54 seconds

Data Lit
Five Ways to Make Accountability Work for Improvement

Our accountability systems are meant to drive school improvement, but too often they leave educators feeling anxious and overwhelmed. This episode reviews five practical principles to marry high-level accountability data with local data and processes to spur real change. 

Research & resources from the episode:

  • Center for Assessment: Strengthening Ties Between Accountability and School Improvement   

  • Educational Leadership: Five Good Ways to Talk About Data

  • Data Lit Episode: How to Talk about Data

  • Data Considerations for School and Central Services Staff 

  • Data Lit series on Satellite, Map, and Street Data

  • Victoria Bernhardt: Multiple Measures of Data

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

The theme song by Green Hope High School’s Lukas Brandon 

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Contact us via our website or at datalit@wcpss.net

Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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1 month ago
21 minutes 59 seconds

Data Lit
Rebroadcast: The Purpose of Assessment

We’re kicking off a new mini-series by going back to where it all began: Our discussion on the Purpose of Assessments. Join us as we explore how understanding why we measure can help us rethink how we improve.

Research & resources from the episode:

  • Center for Assessment - Strengthening Ties Between Accountability and School Improvement   

  • Edutopia - Assessment: Time to Put it in Context

  • ASCD - Assessment as an Act of Love

  • Achieve the Core - Sitting Beside the Learner

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Contact us via our website or at datalit@wcpss.net


Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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1 month ago
20 minutes 48 seconds

Data Lit
Make it Stick: Considerations for Culturally Responsive Assessments

In this concluding chapter of our series based on Culturally Responsive Assessments, we move from theory to sustainable practice. First, we shine a light on the core challenges preventing change, such as limited instructional materials, the struggle to maintain rigor while adapting culturally, and unconscious bias in teacher perceptions. Then, we give listeners some practical solutions straight from the book, outlining key best practices like targeted training and support, purposeful assessment design, better methods for evaluating student work, effective communication about student progress, and strategic use of assessment results. Tune in and get the tools you need to make this critical shift stick.

Research & resources from the episode:

  • Culturally Responsive Assessment in Classrooms and Large-Scale Contexts

  • Data Lit’s Rubrics Series

  • Data Lit’s Feedback Series

  • Grant Wiggins’ Seven Elements of Effective Feedback

  • John Hattie’s The Power of Feedback

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Theme music by Millbrook High School’s Tre’mond Ponton

Contact us ⁠via our website⁠ or at datalit@wcpss.netHosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler
Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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2 months ago
22 minutes 27 seconds

Data Lit
From Reflection to Action: A Six-Stage Cycle for Culturally Responsive Practices in Classrooms

Ready to put culturally responsive assessment into practice? Then join us for part two of our series on the new book, Culturally Responsive Assessment in the Classroom and Large-Scale Assessments. In this episode, we break down the editors’ six-stage cycle of teaching, learning, and assessment. From self-reflection to lesson evaluation, we walk through each phase to share what the research says about how to embed cultural responsiveness in every step of your planning, instruction, and assessment process. Tune in for practical ways to make your classroom cycle more equitable and effective!

Research & resources from the episode:

  • Culturally Responsive Assessment in Classrooms and Large-Scale Contexts

  • Series on Assessment For Learning & Assessment of Learning

  • Rubrics Series

  • Street Data Series

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Theme music by Millbrook High School’s Tremond Ponton

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Contact us via our website or at datalit@wcpss.net


Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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2 months ago
28 minutes 55 seconds

Data Lit
How does culture play a role in assessment?

What if how we learn is filtered through our culture?  In this episode, we kick off a new series inspired by the book Culturally Responsive Assessment in Classrooms and Large-Scale Contexts. We explore why it's crucial to think about the role of culture in assessment design and take a look back at the origins of culturally relevant pedagogy, given the interdependence between curriculum, pedagogy, and assessment. Join us as we start a conversation about making assessments more fair and accurate for all students.

Research & resources from the episode:

  • Culturally Responsive Assessment in Classrooms and Large-Scale Contexts

  • Center for Assessment’s blog on the book

  • Edutopia: Assessment as a three-legged stool

  • Psychometrician Gregory Cizek’s explanation of validity

  • Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain by Dr. Zaretta Hammond 

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

The theme song was provided by Lukas Brandon from Green Hope High School

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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3 months ago
18 minutes 24 seconds

Data Lit
Begin with the end in mind: Opening a new school with Principal Katie Caggia

Ever wonder what goes into building a school from the ground up? In this episode, we're talking with Principal Katie Caggia about her experience opening a brand new school this year! She's sharing her secrets on how to use data to build school culture, the key information she gathered before the first bell rang, and the challenges of starting with a blank slate. Join us for an enlightening conversation as we learn more about leading when you’re starting from scratch. 
WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

The theme song was provided by Lukas Brandon from Green Hope High School

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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3 months ago
16 minutes 11 seconds

Data Lit
Bonus: Work Smarter Not Harder Trailer

We wanted to share the trailer for the Work Smarter Not Harder podcast, which is hosted by our colleagues in DRA's Program Accountability team. You can access their feed on Spotify, Apple, and wherever else you get your podcasts.

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3 months ago
2 minutes 46 seconds

Data Lit
Behind the Numbers: An Interview with DRA’s Dr. Brad McMillen

Ever wondered how someone ends up leading a district’s data, research, and accountability work? In this episode, we chat with the Assistant Superintendent, Dr. Brad McMillen, about his path into the role, the biggest shifts he’s seen in how schools use data, and his advice for educators who want to make data work for them, not against them.

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Theme music by Millbrook High School’s Tre’mond PontonHosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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3 months ago
15 minutes 2 seconds

Data Lit
A Half-Decade of Data: Our Biggest “Aha!” Moments

We’re back for Season Six! After five seasons of deep dives into assessment and data literacy, we’re taking a moment to look back at the journey. Join us as we share the most impactful lessons we have learned - from insightful conversations with educational experts and district staff and students to uncovering research and best practices that can truly inform our work. This is more than a look back; it’s a springboard for what’s to come. Get ready for a new season packed with fresh perspectives and actionable insights!


Theme music by Millbrook High School’s Tre’mond Ponton

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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4 months ago
15 minutes 29 seconds

Data Lit
Season Five Finale: An EoY Review of Learning

In our season finale of Data Lit, we take a look back at some of the standout moments by highlighting key topics such as data literacy guidance, 4Cs strategies from students' perspectives, and the global landscape of standardized testing. You’ll enjoy clips from our favorite episodes, featuring insights from influential guest speakers, including the district superintendent and school-based testing coordinators. Join us for this reflective and insightful conclusion to an impactful season.

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’s Will McAlarney


Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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7 months ago
24 minutes 43 seconds

Data Lit
In the Trenches of Testing: An Interview with School-based Testing Coordinators

Research shows that the way assessments are administered plays a crucial role in ensuring their validity and reliability. In this episode, we sit down with three district Testing Coordinators—Lorrie Sardiello from Northwoods ES, Susan Cherry from Oberlin MS, and Joshua Gurkin from Apex HS—to unpack their role in the assessment cycle. We explore how they support test administration, empower both students and teachers, and contribute to building assessment literacy across their schools. Whether you're a new Testing Coordinator or a teacher considering stepping into this role, you’ll find practical insights and advice to help you get started and make an impact.
WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’s Will McAlarney
Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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8 months ago
34 minutes 57 seconds

Data Lit
Testing the World: Comparing Standardized Assessments in Four Countries

In this episode of Data Lit, we dive into the world of standardized testing, exploring how four countries—South Africa, Finland, Australia, and Singapore—develop and implement their assessments. We unpack the historical context, the educational philosophies behind their approaches, and the role that assessments play in shaping each system. Join us as we compare international perspectives and reflect on how standardized testing evolves in different cultural and political contexts.

Research & resources from the episode:

  • Student Assessment in Eight Countries  (Ed Leadership, 2000)

  • What Standardized Tests Look Like in 10 Places Around the World (Business Insider, 2018)

  • Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA)

  • National Standardized Assessments in South Africa by T. Chilenga-Butao et al (2021)

  • National Center on Education and the Economy: Singapore 

  • National Center on Education and the Economy: Finland

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’s Will McAlarney
Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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8 months ago
38 minutes 22 seconds

Data Lit
Taking the Long View: What Can Our College Outcomes Data Tell Us?

Spring is here - a season of flowers, bunnies, and big decisions for high school seniors as they declare their college plans. In this episode of Data Lit, we sit down with Tim Carroll, Director of Special Projects for WCPSS’ Data, Research, and Accountability department, to explore how enrollment and degree-completion data from the National Student Clearinghouse (NSC) can reveal important trends about student persistence, transfers, and post-secondary success. Join us as we reflect on our own college aspirations, uncover key patterns in where our graduates are headed, and even test your knowledge on the top colleges they’re choosing. Plus, we’ll share a few data-informed tips to support students in their post-secondary journeys!

Research & resources from the episode:

  • College Outcomes of WCPSS Graduates, 2006-2023 (for WCPSS employees)  

  • College Navigator

  • College Scorecard

  • College Board: BigFuture

  • College for North Carolina

  • WCPSS employees: Sign up for office hours to discuss college outcomes data with Tim Carroll

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’s Will McAlarney
Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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9 months ago
36 minutes 26 seconds

Data Lit
Performance Assessments and the 4Cs

Performance assessments can be a productive way for students to show their growth in the 4Cs (critical thinking, creativity, collaboration, and communication). To dig deeper into this assessment method, we’re re-airing our discussion on performance assessments from November of 2020. Before and after that segment, we connect these ideas to what students told us throughout our 4Cs series. 

Research & resources from the episode:

  • Jay McTighe: What is a performance task?

  • Grant Wiggins: Seven keys to effective feedback

  • Educational Leadership: Good feedback is targeted, specific, timely

  • DRA Video on the cognitive science principle of Interleaving

  • Stiggins, R.J. Arter, J.A., Chappuis, J. & Chappuis, S. (2006). Classroom Assessment for Student Learning: Doing It Right-Using it Well. Portland, OR: ETS

  • Wren, D. G., & Garies, C. R. (201 9). Assessing deeper learning: Developing, implementing, and scoring performance tasks (1st ed.). Lanham, MD :Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc.

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’s Will McAlarney
Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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9 months ago
25 minutes 42 seconds

Data Lit
What students want teachers to know about the 4Cs

In this final episode of our series on integrating the 4Cs, we turn to the experts—our students. Through their own words, they remind us that learning is social, that authenticity matters, and that engagement is key. Their advice challenges us as educators to always create learning experiences both inside and outside the classroom where collaboration, critical thinking, communication, and creativity come to life in meaningful ways. Tune in for a powerful reflection on what students need most from their teachers.

Research & resources from the episode:

  • ASCD: Making School Worth Kids’ Time

  • National Geographic - Your Kids Want to be Social

  • Center for Assessment - Teaching & Assessing 21st Century Skills: A Focus on Student Agency

  • World Economic Forum: Future of Jobs Report 

  • Kids Speak on Engagement

  • DRA Video on the Amygdala

  • Researching Social-Emotional Learning: An interview with Dr. Hamilton-Simmons from Counseling & Student Services

  • 4Cs K-12 Continuum  

  • 4Cs Single-Point Rubrics 

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’s Will McAlarney
Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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10 months ago
24 minutes 24 seconds

Data Lit
Listening to Learn: Mapping the 4Cs Outside the Classroom

In this episode, we explore how the 4Cs—critical thinking, creativity, collaboration, and communication—can be nurtured outside the classroom. Featuring clips from students presenting their GIS mapping projects, we highlight moments where they have applied these skills to their research on real-world problems. We also discuss how extracurricular activities and out-of-classroom experiences play a vital role in building these competencies. Tune in to see how learning goes beyond the classroom walls to prepare our students for the future.

Research & resources from the episode:

  • WakeConnect Spotlight on Geospatial Analytics

  • 4Cs K-12 Continuum  

  • 4Cs Single-Point Rubrics  

  • Data Lit’s Assessment Methods Series 

  • Data Lit’s Rubrics Series

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’s Will McAlarney
Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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10 months ago
33 minutes 30 seconds

Data Lit
Listening to Learn: Integrating the 4Cs Inside the Classroom at Wake STEM HS

In this episode, we listen to real student voices as they share how their teachers bring the 4Cs—critical thinking, communication, collaboration, and creativity—into everyday lessons across different subjects. Join us as we react to their insights, discuss the impact of these skills on student engagement, and explore how fostering the 4Cs can make learning more meaningful and exciting. Tune in to hear why integrating these essential skills isn’t just good teaching—it can be a game-changer for student interest and success!

Research & resources from the episode:

  • 4Cs K-12 Continuum  

  • 4Cs Single-Point Rubrics  

  • Jay McTighe’s Performance Task Blog Series 

  • Data Lit’s Assessment Types Series

  • Data Lit’s Assessment Methods Series

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series.Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’sWill McAlarney
Data, Research, and Accountability department forthe Wake County Public School System

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10 months ago
34 minutes 25 seconds

Data Lit
Using the 4Cs to change how kids feel about school

WCPSS’ mission is to “provide a relevant and engaging education and will graduate students who are collaborative, creative, effective communicators and critical thinkers.” This episode introduces our exploration of why these 4Cs are so essential to preparing our students to lead productive lives in a complex and changing world. We define each of the 4Cs, discuss potential challenges to measuring them, and finally offer a solution to the challenges which we will explore in subsequent episodes. 


Research & resources from the episode:

 A Critical Review of Assessments of Creativity in Education 

ASCD: Making School Worth Kids’ Time

World Economic Forum: Our education system is losing relevance. Here's how to unleash its potential

Torrens University: What are the 4Cs of 21st-century learning skills?

NCDPI Portrait of a Graduate

NCDPI’s 4 million Skills for the Future Grant

4Cs K-12 Continuum  

4Cs Single-Point Rubrics

WCPSS staff can earn credit for listening to and reflecting on completed series. Learn more here.

Hosts: Mellisa Smith and Spencer Ziegler

Theme music: Lost by Leesville Road High School’s Will McAlarney
Data, Research, and Accountability department for the Wake County Public School System

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11 months ago
25 minutes 19 seconds

Data Lit
Teachers are inundated with data, but none of those numbers will help if they're not paired with some accessible and informative data literacy training. This podcast seeks to empower teachers with the skills they'll need to turn the data given to them into powerful instructional practices. Recorded by educators within Wake County Public School System's Data, Research, and Accountability Department in Raleigh, NC. Learn more about the show as well as access data and assessment literacy resources at www.wcpss.net/datalit