This week on DSPN, we dive into the rivalry that shapes modern rugby, and there’s no better guide than Harry Jones. He joins us to unpack Rassie Erasmus re-signing through to 2031, what that means for South African rugby, and why Springbok fans are so welded to the man who rebuilt their entire identity. We also get Harry’s brutally honest read on where the All Blacks sit under Razor right now. Are we too cautious? Is the Springbok machine simply further ahead? And how much will next year’s four-test South Africa tour tell us about the road to 2027? From the politics of hosting future Rugby World Cups, to Tony Brown’s growing influence, to the return of the scrum as rugby’s great equaliser, this is a wide-ranging, clever, and very real chat about where the sport is heading. Find every episode and discover your next favourite podcast on the rova app or rova.nz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices