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Fallthrough
Fallthrough Media
56 episodes
4 days ago
A deep and nuanced conversational podcast focused on technology, software, and computing.
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A deep and nuanced conversational podcast focused on technology, software, and computing.
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Fallthrough
Stack Trace 2025

We decided to do our own wrap up for the year. We've called it Stack Trace, and we pulled a bunch of stats from the first year of Fallthrough. In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Dylan talk through these stats and how they feel about Fallthrough's first year.

If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube.

This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/22.

In this week's bonus content, we've got some extra stats! Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: A Year of Fallthrough In Stats (00:03:37)
  • Chapter 2: Better and Smaller Platforms (00:36:28)
  • Chapter 3: Who Had The Longest Monologues? (00:41:33)
  • Chapter 4: It's Different In The Moment (00:49:13)
  • Chapter 5: The Spicy Content That Wasn't (00:54:16)
  • Chapter 6: More Stats! [Extended] (01:00:48)
  • Chapter 7: Thinking About The Future (01:01:05)
  • Epilogue (01:12:35)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Dylan Bourque - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:37) - Chapter 1: A Year of Fallthrough In Stats
  • (36:28) - Chapter 2: Better and Smaller Platforms
  • (41:33) - Chapter 3: Who Had The Longest Monologues?
  • (49:13) - Chapter 4: It's Different In The Moment
  • (54:16) - Chapter 5: The Spicy Content That Wasn't
  • (01:00:48) - Chapter 6: More Stats! [Extended]
  • (01:01:05) - Chapter 7: Thinking About The Future
  • (01:12:35) - Epilogue
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4 days ago
1 hour 16 minutes

Fallthrough
Worse Is Better

There's a famous joke essay called Worse Is Better, which compares the New Jersey and the MIT ideologies. In this episode, Kris and Matt discuss these two different ideologies and how they show up in technology, from Go, to dependency management, to electric vehicles.

If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube.

This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/21.

In this week's bonus content, the duo discusses how idealistic thinking has slowed down the adoption of electric vehicles and what a better path forward might have looked like. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • Worse Is Better
  • Simple Made Easy
  • Less Is Exponentially More
  • Go += Package Versioning
  • govulncheck
  • The Bizarre Logic of the F-150 Lightning


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Worse Is Better? (00:02:58)
  • Chapter 2: Go Got Stranded In The Middle (00:10:39)
  • Chapter 3: SemVer Is Fundamentally Broken (00:33:32)
  • Chapter 4: We Don't Live In The Ideal World (00:47:19)
  • Chapter 5: BEVs vs EREVs [Extended] (00:56:26)
  • Chapter 6: Holistic vs Deep (00:56:58)
  • Epilogue (01:01:39)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:58) - Chapter 1: Worse Is Better?
  • (10:39) - Chapter 2: Go Got Stranded In The Middle
  • (33:32) - Chapter 3: SemVer Is Fundamentally Broken
  • (47:19) - Chapter 4: We Don't Live In The Ideal World
  • (56:26) - Chapter 5: BEVs vs EREVs [Extended]
  • (56:58) - Chapter 6: Holistic vs Deep
  • (01:01:39) - Epilogue
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1 week ago
1 hour 2 minutes

Fallthrough
Why Is Tech So Mid?

In the tech industry, we talk about how exceptional and innovative we are. But are we really? In this episode, Kris and Matt explore why they see the industry as pretty mid and how things should be better.

If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube.

This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/20.

In this week's bonus content, the duo discusses the problems with hype and how it's not just about the tech industry. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Why Is Tech So Mid? (00:02:27)
  • Chapter 2: The Innovation Hype [Extended] (00:35:42)
  • Chapter 3: Everyone Is Always Wrong (00:36:14)
  • Epilogue (00:53:51)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:27) - Chapter 1: Why Is Tech So Mid?
  • (35:42) - Chapter 2: The Innovation Hype [Extended]
  • (36:14) - Chapter 3: Everyone Is Always Wrong
  • (53:51) - Epilogue
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2 weeks ago
57 minutes

Fallthrough
Project Management 2 Shell

Another Cloudflare outage. A CVSS 10.0 React RCE vulnerability. We've been dealing with quite a lot these last few weeks. In this week's episode, Kris and Matt discuss the outage and vulnerability and have a deeper discussion about project management and how all of these things relate to each other.

If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube.

This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/19.

We've got a new format for the bonus content snippets in this episode. This week we've got an extended discussion about how process should follow people, not the other way around. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Outages & Vulnerabilities (00:03:42)
  • Chapter 2: Project Management (00:22:10)
  • Chapter 3: Waltzing With Bears (00:29:55)
  • Chapter 4: Process & Culture (00:43:21)
  • Chapter 5: Process Follows People [Extended] (00:52:18)
  • Chapter 6: We Need Better Estimates  (00:52:49)
  • Epilogue (01:04:33)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:42) - Chapter 1: Outages & Vulnerabilities
  • (22:10) - Chapter 2: Project Management
  • (29:55) - Chapter 3: Waltzing With Bears
  • (43:21) - Chapter 4: Process & Culture
  • (52:18) - Chapter 5: Process Follows People [Extended]
  • (52:49) - Chapter 6: We Need Better Estimates
  • (01:04:33) - Epilogue
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3 weeks ago
1 hour 7 minutes

Fallthrough
Ghostting Is Better Than Shelling

We've had Mitchell Hashimoto on a couple episodes, and each time we've discussed his vision for libghostty. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about what the vision for libghostty actually means for the industry as a whole and the power of platforms. The duo also covers the new models that have dropped and how they see using the various models that have become available.

If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XbjmqlSWlKI.

This week's episode of break continues the conversation, where they continue this conversation and talk about how we're all becoming writers. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/18.

We've got a new format for the bonus content snippets in this episode. All of them are together in the middle of the episode, with a small intro and outro around them. In this week's bonus content the duo discusses how AI might help save Stack Overflow, how it's making us write more specifications for software, and how it might lead to a much more viable funding model for the web. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: New Models & How We Use Them (00:02:28)
  • Chapter 2: AI Will Help StackOverflow [Extended] (00:35:27)
  • Chapter 3: Software Engineering Is About Writing Specifications [Extended] (00:35:59)
  • Chapter 4: A Better Funding Model For The Web [Extended] (00:36:38)
  • Chapter 5: SSH Out, libghostty In (00:37:37)
  • Chapter 6: New Segment Type? (01:01:04)
  • Epilogue (01:04:56)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:28) - Chapter 1: New Models & How We Use Them
  • (35:27) - Chapter 2: AI Will Help StackOverflow [Extended]
  • (35:59) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering Is About Writing Specifications [Extended]
  • (36:38) - Chapter 4: A Better Funding Model For The Web [Extended]
  • (37:37) - Chapter 5: SSH Out, libghostty In
  • (01:01:04) - Chapter 6: New Segment Type?
  • (01:04:56) - Epilogue
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1 month ago
1 hour 10 minutes

Fallthrough
Magic Numbers Take Down The Internet

This cannot keep happening. Another day, another outage. On this week's episode Kris and Matt talk about the recent Cloudflare outage. And boy do they have thoughts, we really hope you enjoy this exchange of monologues.

If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LsOgDolc9Fw

This week's episode of break continues the conversation, with a few more monologues and some thinking about the state of things. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/17.

And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear about the Cloudflare outage in a bit more depth and hear the duos take on being a generalist versus a specialist. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: The Cloudflare Outage (00:02:17)
  • Chapter 2: Too Much Centralization? (00:20:24)
  • Chapter 3: Communication Matters (00:26:22)
  • Chapter 4: Magic Numbers Take Down The Internet [Extended] (00:29:50)
  • Chapter 5: Programming Language Hate and AI versus Tools (00:30:19)
  • Chapter 6: The Generalist and The Specialist [Extended] (00:49:29)
  • Epilogue (00:50:03)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:17) - Chapter 1: The Cloudflare Outage
  • (02:52) - Chapter 2: Too Much Centralization?
  • (26:22) - Chapter 3: Communication Matters
  • (26:43) - Chapter 4: Magic Numbers Take Down The Internet [Extended]
  • (30:19) - Chapter 5: Programming Language Hate and AI versus Tools
  • (35:05) - Chapter 6: The Generalist and The Specialist [Extended]
  • (50:03) - Epilogue
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1 month ago
52 minutes

Fallthrough
The AI Marketing Problem

The tech industry is terrible at marketing things. From AI to Blockchain to Git, we constantly miss the actual innovation by looking too closely at the surface level. In this episode, Kris is joined by the full panel of Ian, Matthew, and Dylan to discuss the marketing problem AI seems to have and its wider implications.

If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/4nGG8Mv4L88

This week's episode of break continues the conversation, with a deeper discussion around the marketing point and a whole bunch more. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/16.

And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear how the panel is currently using AI and the importance of embracing being human. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: The AI Marketing Problem (00:06:14)
  • Chapter 2: What Does It Mean To Adopt AI? [Extended] (00:09:53)
  • Chapter 3: SciFi Computer or Reference System? (00:10:16)
  • Chapter 4: Embrace Being Human [Extended] (00:36:17)
  • Chapter 3: SciFi Computer or Reference System? (00:00:-17)
  • Chapter 5: Context Is Important (00:36:54)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (00:49:41)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host
  • Dylan Bourque - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (06:14) - Chapter 1: The AI Marketing Problem
  • (09:53) - Chapter 2: What Does It Mean To Adopt AI? [Extended]
  • (10:16) - Chapter 3: SciFi Computer or Reference System?
  • (36:17) - Chapter 4: Embrace Being Human [Extended]
  • (36:54) - Chapter 5: Context Is Important
  • (49:41) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover
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1 month ago
1 hour 5 minutes

Fallthrough
Artisanal Software Engineering

Software engineering has an identity problem. Some software engineers want to be craftspeople and artisans, while others want to be more like the traditional engineers, while others just want to write some code. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about the state of software engineering today and the areas that they think could use improvement.

For this week's episode of break, we're pulling one out of the archives! Sometimes we record an episode and don't ship it for quite a while, and this one was recorded all the way back on July 30th! Kris and Matt talk about their (at the time) yet to be recorded episode with Mitchell, Oxide's Series B announcement, and have another conversation about software artisans. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/15.

And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear the duo's feelings about project management, the industry's lack of planning, and Kris' recent change in view around artificial intelligence. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: The Current State of Software Engineering (00:02:28)
  • Chapter 2: MVPs and the Challenge of Shipping Software (00:17:05)
  • Chapter 3: Project Management and Workflows [Extended] (00:26:01)
  • Chapter 4: The Invisible Things (00:26:24)
  • Chapter 5: Path Dependency and Asking Why (00:31:26)
  • Chapter 6: Engineering Is About Design (00:46:11)
  • Chapter 7: We Need Better Planning [Extended] (00:58:42)
  • Chapter 8: Matt wants to write less code (00:59:02)
  • Chapter 9: Kris' view of AI has shifted [Extended] (01:02:38)
  • Epilogue (01:03:06)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:28) - Chapter 1: The Current State of Software Engineering
  • (17:05) - Chapter 2: MVPs and the Challenge of Shipping Software
  • (26:01) - Chapter 3: Project Management and Workflows [Extended]
  • (26:24) - Chapter 4: The Invisible Things
  • (31:26) - Chapter 5: Path Depenency and Asking Why
  • (46:11) - Chapter 6: Engineering Is About Design
  • (58:42) - Chapter 7: We Need Better Planning [Extended]
  • (59:02) - Chapter 8: Matt wants to write less code
  • (01:02:38) - Chapter 9: Kris' view of AI has shifted [Extended]
  • (01:03:06) - Epilogue
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1 month ago
1 hour 8 minutes

Fallthrough
The Fault In Our Clouds

First it was GCP in June. Then it was AWS in October. Then it was Azure a week later. It seems that our cloud providers are having outages far more often, and for far longer, than any of us would like. In this episode, Kris, Ian, and Matthew discuss the two most recent outages along with some of their thoughts on the current state of the industry and the future of software.

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! The panel talks about whether seeking a career with a FAANG company is worth it anymore, why building software for your local community is important, and their frustrations with point of sale systems. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

EXTRA! EXTRA! There's lots of bonus content in this episode! And if you're a supporter you're getting all of it. In this week's extra chapters the panel talks about whether we all need to be on large cloud providers, frustrations with food delivery app PINs, whether timeouts and retries should be our go to, and why it feels like software is constantly getting worse. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • AWS Outage Summary: https://aws.amazon.com/message/101925/
  • Azure Outage Summary: https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status/history/


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: The AWS Outage (00:03:03)
  • Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended] (00:27:15)
  • Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended] (00:27:41)
  • Chapter 4: The Azure Outage (00:28:11)
  • Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended] (00:39:37)
  • Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended] (00:40:07)
  • Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good (00:40:54)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (00:42:42)
  • Epilogue (01:02:34)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:03) - Chapter 1: The AWS Outage
  • (27:15) - Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended]
  • (27:41) - Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended]
  • (28:11) - Chapter 4: The Azure Outage
  • (39:37) - Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended]
  • (40:07) - Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended]
  • (40:54) - Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good
  • (42:42) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover
  • (01:02:34) - Epilogue
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2 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes

Fallthrough
JJ and How to Evolve an Open Source Ecosystem

Jujutsu is a new version control system that's gaining in popularity. Its swappable backends allow users to continue using version control systems like Git without other users even noticing. Steve Klabnik aims to be a big part of it. Much like with Rust, he's getting involved early and making some big swings. In this episode, he joins Kris and Matt to discuss JJ and his recent announcement that he'll be joining East River Source Control to work on JJ and related projects full time.

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

Love extra content? Well if you're a supporter you're getting some. This week's extended edition includes bonus content includes a chapter on the need for new layers and another chapter on potential plans for a JJHub. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Farewell, Oxide! Hello, East River Source Control! (00:03:44)
  • Chapter 2: JJ Backends (00:13:54)
  • Chapter 3: When To Choose New Tools (00:17:58)
  • Chapter 4: We're Not Going Back (00:29:16)
  • Chapter 5: Why Use JJ? (00:31:05)
  • Chapter 6: Creating New Layers [Extended] (00:45:33)
  • Chapter 7: JJHub? [Extended] (00:46:08)
  • Chapter 8: Forking Is About More Than Just The Code (00:46:56)
  • Appendix Unpop: Unpopular Opinions (00:50:02)
  • Epilogue (00:56:10)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:44) - Chapter 1: Farewell, Oxide! Hello, East River Source Control!
  • (13:54) - Chapter 2: JJ Backends
  • (17:58) - Chapter 3: When To Choose New Tools
  • (29:16) - Chapter 4: We're Not Going Back
  • (31:05) - Chapter 5: Why Use JJ?
  • (45:33) - Chapter 6: Creating New Layers [Extended]
  • (46:08) - Chapter 7: JJHub? [Extended]
  • (46:56) - Chapter 8: Forking Is About More Than Just The Code
  • (50:02) - Appendix Unpop: Unpopular Opinions
  • (56:10) - Epilogue
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2 months ago
58 minutes

Fallthrough
DevOps: The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything

In this episode, hosts Angelica Hill and Matthew Sanabria are joined by special guest Cory O'Daniel to dive deep into DevOps. They chat through some of the big questions shaping the industry: Is the "cloud promise" still holding up? What role does on-prem infrastructure play now? And perhaps most importantly, what does "DevOps" even mean today?

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

We've got a ton of supporter content in this episode, so our supporters can hear Cory's thoughts on why technology choices should be kept simple, why we aren't thinking things through, and why the C-Suite forgets the pain of being an IC. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: What Is DevOps? (00:05:50)
  • Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps (00:20:27)
  • Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft (00:46:10)
  • Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only] (00:58:18)
  • Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only] (00:58:45)
  • Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only] (00:59:26)
  • Chapter 7: OpenTofu (01:00:16)
  • Epilogue (01:03:12)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Cory O'Daniel - Guest

Socials:
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  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (05:50) - Chapter 1: What Is DevOps?
  • (20:27) - Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps
  • (46:10) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft
  • (58:18) - Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only]
  • (58:45) - Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only]
  • (59:26) - Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only]
  • (01:00:16) - Chapter 7: OpenTofu
  • (01:03:12) - Epilogue
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2 months ago
1 hour 7 minutes

Fallthrough
Ghostty & The Shell

Mitchell once again joins Matt and Kris to give us an update about Ghostty, a new library he's working on called libxev, and some of his thoughts around AI.

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

For our supporters, we have extra chapters on Mitchell's talk on open source governance and requiring AI disclosures for Ghostty contributions. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: What's New With Ghostty? (00:01:44)
  • Chapter 2: Mitchell's Take On Open Source Governance [Extended Only] (00:34:14)
  • Chapter 3: libxev (00:34:35)
  • Chapter 4: AI Contribution Disclosures in Ghostty [Extended Only] (00:55:31)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Dylan Bourque - Host
  • Mitchell Hashimoto - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (01:44) - Chapter 1: What's New With Ghostty?
  • (34:14) - Chapter 2: Mitchell's Take On Open Source Governance [Extended Only]
  • (34:35) - Chapter 3: libxev
  • (55:31) - Chapter 4: AI Contribution Disclosures in Ghostty [Extended Only]
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2 months ago
57 minutes

Fallthrough
The Failure of Open Source Leadership

Open source project leaders have faced heavy challenges over the last decade and a half. It seems every language community has had conflicts with its leadership: Python with the struggles of the Python 2 to 3 migration; Node.JS and the community's conflict with Joyent; Rust and their handling of trademarks and IP; Wordpress and their conflict with WPEngine; and of course Go and their conflict around dependency management (and error handling). Now we've added another: the recent conflict between Ruby Central and the community.

In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Steve discuss these conflicts and what they tell us about the way we've come to see leadership within open source projects, where the blame actually lies, and what changes we can make to avoid these issues in the future.

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

For our supporters, we have extra chapters about the sustainability of the current model and where we should place blame for the current problems. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • Bryan Cantrill Platform as a Reflection of Values
  • Low Level Rust is causing a lot of problems
  • If WordPress is to survive, Matt Mullenweg must be removed
  • ‘This Is Just How We Do Things Now’: The Quiet Collapse of Standards

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here? (00:02:07)
  • Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators? (00:41:04)
  • Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby? (00:45:21)
  • Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only] (01:01:49)
  • Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only] (01:02:19)
  • Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System (01:03:06)
  • Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along (01:13:41)
  • Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had (01:24:24)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
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  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
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  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:07) - Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here?
  • (41:04) - Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators?
  • (45:21) - Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby?
  • (01:01:49) - Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only]
  • (01:02:19) - Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only]
  • (01:03:06) - Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System
  • (01:13:41) - Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along
  • (01:24:24) - Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had
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2 months ago
1 hour 30 minutes

Fallthrough
PHP Was Never Dead

This week we've got a grab bag episode! Kris and Matt discuss a variety of topics, including a GopherCon debrief (featuring some RustConf comparisons!), why people can't be mad all the time, the need for better abstractions, and so much more!

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

For our supporters, we've got two great chapters about carefully selected criticism and a new Linux distro. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • The Future of Programming - Bret Victor

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: GopherCon Debrief (00:02:26)
  • Chapter 2: Corporations Are Followers (00:34:10)
  • Chapter 3: Carefully Crafted Narratives [Supporter Only] (00:44:09)
  • Chapter 4: You Can't Be Mad All The Time (00:45:47)
  • Chapter 5: We Need New Abstractions (00:55:40)
  • Chapter 6: Omarchy [Supporter Only] (01:11:45)
  • Epilogue (01:13:27)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:26) - Chapter 1: GopherCon Debrief
  • (34:10) - Chapter 2: Corporations Are Followers
  • (44:09) - Chapter 3: Carefully Crafted Narratives [Supporter Only]
  • (45:47) - Chapter 4: You Can't Be Mad All The Time
  • (55:40) - Chapter 5: We Need New Abstractions
  • (01:11:45) - Chapter 6: Omarchy [Supporter Only]
  • (01:13:27) - Epilogue
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3 months ago
1 hour 14 minutes

Fallthrough
Defer Life Considered Harmful

From AI winters to Tiny Go, Ron Evans has a long and storied career. In this episode he joins Angelica and Matt to discuss his journey, what past AI winters can tell us about our current AI moment, the importance of Tiny Go, and so much more.

This week's episode has a Break aftershow! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

For our supporters, we've got two great chapters about epistemology and how AI affects newcomers to programming. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • TinyGo
  • Amara’s Law and Its Place in the Future of Tech
  • Cory Doctorow
  • GopherCon 2024: Go Back to the Future - Ron Evans
  • Skynet
  • Program or Be Programmed Eleven Commands for the AI Future DOUGLAS RUSHKOFF
  • The Demon-Haunted World

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Who Is Ron Evans? (00:03:00)
  • Chapter 2: The Next AI Winter? (00:06:03)
  • Chapter 3: Epistemology [Supporter Only] (00:36:39)
  • Chapter 4: Ron's Long Game (00:39:20)
  • Chapter 5: There Are Always Things To Do (00:50:22)
  • Chapter 6: How Is AI/ML Impacting People New To The Industry? [Supporter Only] (00:59:27)
  • Chapter 7: Anything Left Unsaid? (01:02:19)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:07:28)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Ron Evans - Guest

Socials:
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  • Bluesky
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  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:00) - Chapter 1: Who Is Ron Evans?
  • (06:03) - Chapter 2: The Next AI Winter?
  • (36:39) - Chapter 3: Epistemology [Supporter Only]
  • (39:20) - Chapter 4: Ron's Long Game
  • (50:22) - Chapter 5: There Are Always Things To Do
  • (59:27) - Chapter 6: How Is AI/ML Impacting People New To The Industry? [Supporter Only]
  • (01:02:19) - Chapter 7: Anything Left Unsaid?
  • (01:07:28) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
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3 months ago
1 hour 18 minutes

Fallthrough
Building For The Future

We've all experienced the dreaded rewrite. A system that was promised to last for years has grown so full of technical debt and cruft that we feel we need to throw it out and start over again. How can we avoid this? In this episode, Angelica and Matt are joined by Jon Sabados, where they discuss how to build software that can last long into the future.

This week's episode does not have a companion break episode, but check out our backlog if you haven't watched them already! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

This week's episode features a bonus chapter for supporters! Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Why Should We Build For The Future? (00:03:13)
  • Chapter 2: Business Value & Future Planning (00:10:18)
  • Chapter 3: Where Do You Start? (00:13:21)
  • Chapter 4: How To Make Decisions Effectively (00:27:35)
  • Chapter 5: Crafting A Solution (00:39:55)
  • Chapter 6: What Does It Actually Mean To Build For The Future? [Supporter Only] (00:47:50)
  • Chapter 7: A Case Study (00:49:57)
  • Chapter 8: Incorporating New Technologies (01:05:07)
  • Chapter 9: Building For The Future Outage (01:08:19)
  • Chapter 10: Final Advice (01:16:34)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:20:03)
  • Epilogue (01:35:12)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Jon Sabados - Guest

Socials:
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  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
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  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:13) - Chapter 1: Why Should We Build For The Future?
  • (10:18) - Chapter 2: Business Value & Future Planning
  • (13:21) - Chapter 3: Where Do You Start?
  • (27:35) - Chapter 4: How To Make Decisions Effectively
  • (39:55) - Chapter 5: Crafting A Solution
  • (47:50) - Chapter 6: What Does It Actually Mean To Build For The Future? [Supporter Only]
  • (49:57) - Chapter 7: A Case Study
  • (01:05:07) - Chapter 8: Incorporating New Technologies
  • (01:08:19) - Chapter 9: Building For The Future Outage
  • (01:16:34) - Chapter 10: Final Advice
  • (01:20:03) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
  • (01:35:12) - Epilogue
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3 months ago
1 hour 36 minutes

Fallthrough
Bootstrapping A Podcast

Ever wondered what it really takes to build a successful online presence? How about if you were doing it as a couple? In this episode, Angelica and Matt are joined by Sophie and Rory of the "Media Couple" podcast as they pull back the curtain on their current projects and share the unfiltered reality of being content creators, the tools and tech they use, and how it's going.

This week's episode does not have a companion break episode, but check out our backlog if you haven't watched them already! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: What Is The Media Couple? (00:08:20)
  • Chapter 2: Getting Started with Content Creation (00:12:55)
  • Chapter 3: How's The Media Couple Going? (00:20:34)
  • Interlude: Dealing With Your Inner Critic [Supporter Only] (00:24:19)
  • Chapter 4: Choosing A Format (00:25:14)
  • Chapter 5: Who Is Your Audience? (00:33:13)
  • Chapter 6: The Tech Behind It All (00:47:30)
  • Interlude: Vibe Coding Through Life (01:05:54)
  • Chapter 7: Where Do You Start With Branding? (01:09:51)
  • Chapter 8: Preventing Boredom (01:12:53)
  • Chapter 9: Generating New Content Ideas (01:22:27)
  • Chapter 10: Feedback [Supporter Only] (01:30:15)
  • Chapter 11: A Few Good Productions (01:32:18)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:39:52)
  • Epilogue (01:55:35)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Rory Nichols - Guest
  • Sophie Haines-Nichols - Guest

Socials:
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  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (08:20) - Chapter 1: What Is The Media Couple?
  • (12:55) - Chapter 2: Getting Started with Content Creation
  • (20:34) - Chapter 3: How's The Media Couple Going?
  • (24:19) - Interlude: Dealing With Your Inner Critic [Supporter Only]
  • (25:14) - Chapter 4: Choosing A Format
  • (33:13) - Chapter 5: Who Is Your Audience?
  • (47:30) - Chapter 6: The Tech Behind It All
  • (01:05:54) - Interlude: Vibe Coding Through Life
  • (01:09:51) - Chapter 7: Where Do You Start With Branding?
  • (01:12:53) - Chapter 8: Preventing Boredom
  • (01:22:27) - Chapter 9: Generating New Content Ideas
  • (01:30:15) - Chapter 10: Feedback [Supporter Only]
  • (01:32:18) - Chapter 11: A Few Good Productions
  • (01:39:52) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
  • (01:55:35) - Epilogue
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3 months ago
1 hour 57 minutes

Fallthrough
What It Takes To Be A Content Creator

Everyone can be a content creator. Whether it's posting long form content on YouTube, shorter content on TikTok, or photos on Instagram, content creation is accessible to all. In this episode, Angelica and Matt are joined by Benjamin Bryant to talk about what it takes to become a content creator. This episode contains extra chapters for supporters.

This week's episode does not have a companion break episode, but check out our backlog if you haven't watched them already! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Introducing Ben Bryant (00:02:20)
  • Chapter 2: Starting Out In Content Creation (00:03:32)
  • Chapter 3: Self Preparation for Making a Video (00:06:26)
  • Chapter 4: Finding Your First Content (00:09:47)
  • Chapter 5: Hows the Channel Going? (00:17:41)
  • Chapter 6: How Much of You Do You Show in Your Content? [Supporter Only] (00:31:01)
  • Chapter 7: Matt's Journey to Content Creation [Supporter Only] (00:31:34)
  • Chapter 8: Finding Your Why (00:32:06)
  • Chapter 9: How Do You Find The Fun? (00:38:21)
  • Chapter 10: Dealing With Negative Comments [Supporter Only] (00:54:04)
  • Chapter 11: YouTube vs On Stage (00:54:52)
  • Chapter 12: What Does Success Look Like? (01:03:03)
  • Chapter 13: Ben's Viral Videos (01:16:58)
  • Chapter 14: Final Thoughts (01:26:25)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:28:47)
  • Epilogue (01:35:53)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Benjamin Bryant - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:20) - Chapter 1: Introducing Ben Bryant
  • (03:32) - Chapter 2: Starting Out In Content Creation
  • (06:26) - Chapter 3: Self Preparation for Making a Video
  • (09:47) - Chapter 4: Finding Your First Content
  • (17:41) - Chapter 5: Hows the Channel Going?
  • (31:01) - Chapter 6: How Much of You Do You Show in Your Content? [Supporter Only]
  • (31:34) - Chapter 7: Matt's Journey to Content Creation [Supporter Only]
  • (32:06) - Chapter 8: Finding Your Why
  • (38:21) - Chapter 9: How Do You Find The Fun?
  • (54:04) - Chapter 10: Dealing With Negative Comments [Supporter Only]
  • (54:52) - Chapter 11: YouTube vs On Stage
  • (01:03:03) - Chapter 12: What Does Success Look Like?
  • (01:16:58) - Chapter 13: Ben's Viral Videos
  • (01:26:25) - Chapter 14: Final Thoughts
  • (01:28:47) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
  • (01:35:53) - Epilogue
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4 months ago
1 hour 37 minutes

Fallthrough
How To Have A Great Conference Experience

GopherCon is this week! Kris, Matt, Dylan, and Angelica are talking about conferences: their favorite experiences, how they approach them, and advice for first time conference attendees. For our supporters, the panel has an in-depth discussion of what would make for better conferences and where current conferences are failing.

We've also have a new episode of Break! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Hello. And Welcome To. Fallthrough? (00:00:00)
  • Prologue (00:01:55)
  • Interlude: How are we doing? (00:04:15)
  • Chapter 1: What Are Your Favorite Conference Experiences? (00:07:48)
  • Chapter 2: How Do You Approach Attending A Conference? (00:26:13)
  • Chapter 3: Talks & Workshops (00:32:33)
  • Chapter 4: First Time Speakers & The Speaker Pipeline [Supporter Only] (00:40:45)
  • Chapter 5: The Ideal Conference [Supporter Only] (00:41:55)
  • Chapter 6: Should Conferences Provide Mentorship For Speakers? [Supporter Only] (00:43:23)
  • Chapter 7: Advice for First Time Conference Attendees (00:45:41)
  • Epilogue (00:50:26)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Dylan Bourque - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Hello. And Welcome To. Fallthrough?
  • (01:55) - Prologue
  • (04:15) - Interlude: How are we doing?
  • (07:48) - Chapter 1: What Are Your Favorite Conference Experiences?
  • (26:13) - Chapter 2: How Do You Approach Attending A Conference?
  • (32:33) - Chapter 3: Talks & Workshops
  • (40:45) - Chapter 4: First Time Speakers & The Speaker Pipeline [Supporter Only]
  • (41:55) - Chapter 5: The Ideal Conference [Supporter Only]
  • (43:23) - Chapter 6: Should Conferences Provide Mentorship For Speakers? [Supporter Only]
  • (45:41) - Chapter 7: Advice for First Time Conference Attendees
  • (50:26) - Epilogue
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4 months ago
52 minutes

Fallthrough
What's New in Go 1.25?

It's August, which means we've got a fresh new Go release! In this episode, Kris and Matt pick up the "What's New in Go?" series with an edition for the Go 1.25 release.

We've also have a new episode of Break! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

This episode contains an extra Unpopular Opinion and lengthy discussion for our supporters. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Notes:

  • Go 1.25 Release Notes


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:01:19)
  • Chapter 1: Tools (00:03:58)
  • Chapter 2: Runtime (00:16:23)
  • Chapter 3: Compiler (00:25:03)
  • Chapter 4: Standard Library (00:29:59)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (01:04:38)
  • Epilogue (01:07:45)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (01:19) - Prologue
  • (03:58) - Chapter 1: Tools
  • (16:23) - Chapter 2: Runtime
  • (25:03) - Chapter 3: Compiler
  • (29:59) - Chapter 4: Standard Library
  • (01:04:38) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover
  • (01:07:45) - Epilogue
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4 months ago
1 hour 10 minutes

Fallthrough
A deep and nuanced conversational podcast focused on technology, software, and computing.