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FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
Cassie Roma and Yasmin London
11 episodes
1 hour ago
The First Movers Podcast is hosted by Cassie Roma and Yasmin London. It's a community for anyone looking for information, inspiration, stories, and tools to summon the courage (& build the confidence) they need to step off of the sidelines of their lives & into the arena. Because it's the First Movers who shape the world around them, online and offline. They don’t just adapt to change; they create it. By stepping up, they lead, innovate, and challenge outdated ways of thinking, making it possible for others to follow new, better paths. Join us as we help others MOVE FIRST!
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The First Movers Podcast is hosted by Cassie Roma and Yasmin London. It's a community for anyone looking for information, inspiration, stories, and tools to summon the courage (& build the confidence) they need to step off of the sidelines of their lives & into the arena. Because it's the First Movers who shape the world around them, online and offline. They don’t just adapt to change; they create it. By stepping up, they lead, innovate, and challenge outdated ways of thinking, making it possible for others to follow new, better paths. Join us as we help others MOVE FIRST!
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Society & Culture
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FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
FM Quick Bite: Yasmin London on the Australian Social Media Ban for Under 16s

December 10, 2025 was a big day Downunder.

Australia became the first country to ban social media for under-16s.

As an expert in social media, online safety, and work to protect kids (and adults online), Yasmin London has an inside look at what this means and gives us the context we need to understand and navigate the change.

It’s bold, it’s controversial, and it signals that we’re willing to go first.

But going first doesn’t mean we’ve solved it.

It means we’ve stepped into the complexity with our eyes open.


The law pushes platforms to verify ages, remove under-16 accounts by December 2025, and finally take responsibility for designing safer systems. That’s progress. But it isn’t the full answer.


Yes, the ban reduces exposure to bullying, harmful content, addictive features, and the mental health impacts that come with them.


But it also risks isolating teens who rely on digital spaces, and it could push young people towards corners of the internet with even less oversight.


And the deeper problem remains untouched.


This moment matters because it forces a bigger national conversation. If we’re willing to be first, we must also be willing to go further.

To redesign digital spaces with intention.

To set standards that protect young people without shutting them out.

And, to build systems that balance safety, connection, autonomy, and reality.


The real test isn’t the ban.

It’s what we, as a country, choose to build next.

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2 days ago
12 minutes 21 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
Making Money Move: In Conversation with Betsy Westcott (Financial Freedom, Fiscal Fallacies & First Movers)

What if wealth wasn’t about the number in your bank account…but about how alive your life feels?

In this electrifying conversation, Cassie and Yasmin sit down with the phenomenal Betsy Westcott — money educator, advocate for educating women, and unapologetic disruptor of the “good girls don’t talk about money” myth — to explore how women can reclaim financial power in a world that was never designed with us in mind.

We go deep on:
✨ Making money work for you, not the other way around
✨ Why maximizing life > maximizing monetary wealth
✨ How women have been historically sidelined from money conversations — socially, culturally, and professionally
✨ The systems that benefit when women stay silent about finances
✨ And the small, brave, doable moves women can make today to build freedom, safety, and possibility

Betsy brings FIRE wisdom without the shame. Join us as we crack open what financial empowerment looks like for the modern woman — ambitious, generous, values-driven, and ready to shape the status quo.

If you’ve ever thought “I should know more about money” or “I wish someone taught me this sooner”… this episode is your warm invitation, your hype squad, and your financial permission slip.

Your money isn’t just currency — it’s confidence, choices, and the courage to live life on your own damn terms.

Hit play, First Movers. 🔥
Your future self will thank you.

Mentioned in the podcast:

Check out https://getmillie.ai/ and to join the waitlist hit this link: https://getmillie.ai/#join-the-waitlist!

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1 week ago
54 minutes 14 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
Cringe, Courage & Confidence: Showing Up in a Chaotic Internet (Quick Bites with Cassie Roma)

In this First Movers “quick bite,” Cassie Roma dives into what it really takes to show up online with courage in a world that feels like both a megaphone and a minefield.

From trolls to algorithms to world leaders calling people “quiet piggies,” Cassie breaks down how women can build confidence as a muscle, not a mood — and why showing up online is an act of rebellion, leadership, and cultural change.

Using the First Movers Framework (Fuel Growth, Ignite Courage, Reframe Relationships, Shape the Status Quo, Tell Your Story), Cassie shares:
✨ Why consistency beats virality
✨ How to build a village, not an audience
✨ Why cringe = growth
✨ The emotional tax of being visible — and how to navigate it
✨ The power of brave women who speak with heart, humor, and humanity

If you’ve been holding back a post, an idea, a story, or your damn brilliance… this episode is your sign.
Your voice matters. Your story matters.
And confidence online? It’s how First Movers shake the status quo — one brave message at a time.


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2 weeks ago
15 minutes 16 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
When Intimacy Gets a Price Tag — The True Trade of AI Companionship

This week’s First Movers Quickie has Yas exploring one of the most confronting trends shaping tech, identity, and emotional connection: AI intimacy.

Following our conversation with global sextech expert Bryony Cole, we dive into what it means when AI stops being just a tool and starts becoming a partner — emotionally, romantically, even sexually.

From digital boyfriends and virtual “heart links” to the growing number of teens forming deep bonds with chatbots, this episode asks:

  • What’s the real impact of AI companions on our emotional health?
  • Are we outsourcing vulnerability in favour of control and convenience?
  • And who’s profiting from our desire to feel seen, supported, and soothed?


Please have your say in our FM Confidence Study here.

We explore the risks and rewards of this new frontier — and why First Movers need more than just digital skills to navigate it. We need digital fluency, ethical leadership, and a willingness to embrace friction, not just ease.

We hope you enjoy this Quickie with Yas!


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3 weeks ago
15 minutes 40 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
Turned On: The Future of Sex, Shame & Self-Discovery (Cassie Roma and Yasmin London talk Sex Tech with Bryony Cole)

What happens when curiosity meets courage and a bit of chaos?
In this episode, we chat with Bryony Cole—Sex Tech pioneer, futurist, and all-around badass—about the rise of Sex Tech, breaking down shame, and redefining what it means to live (and love) freely.
From her childhood as a wildly curious kid to building a career that’s anything but linear, Bryony shows us how following your questions—not the rules—can lead to a life that’s truly turned on.


Tune in, turn up and enjoy this amazing conversation!


And, if you've got 5 minutes and want to make a bold first move, take our First Movers Study Survey, and help us close the confidence gap for women at work!

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1 month ago
44 minutes 26 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
Who Does The Future REALLY Belong to? Recorded LIVE at SXSW 2025

For our first-ever live recording at Clear Hayes House, SXSW Sydney, Cassie Roma and Yasmin London sit down with the extraordinary Dr Catherine Ball — author, futurist, and unapologetic disruptor.

From her curious childhood and the mentors who shaped her, to her fearless work at XPrize and Vox Helix, Cath takes us on a wild ride through science, storytelling, and the future of technology — including the unexpected world of dildonics and why curiosity and courage matter more than ever.

We laughed. We cried. We questioned everything.

This episode is equal parts intellect, inspiration, and irreverence — a reminder that being a First Mover means leading with heart, humour, and humanity in the age of AI.

🎧 Tune in for big laughs, big feels, and even bigger ideas.

If you've got 5 minutes and want to make a bold first move, take our First Movers Study Survey here and help us close the confidence gap for women at work!

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1 month ago
51 minutes 41 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
First Movers Quick Bites: Yas London Breaks Down the AI Actor Shaking Up Tech, Gender and the Future of Storytelling

First Movers Quick Bites: Yas London Breaks Down the AI Actor Shaking Up Tech, Gender and the Future of Storytelling


In this solo episode, Yasmin London brings you a bold, bite-sized drop on one of 2025’s most provocative stories: the rise of AI-generated actor Tilly Norwood.


Crafted, not cast, Tilly has graced Variety and Forbes, but she’s not real. She’s a synthetic persona, raising urgent questions about creativity, consent, and the erasure of lived female experience in an increasingly AI-driven world.


Yas dives into:


What Tilly means for women in media, tech, and leadership


The ethical grey zones of synthetic storytelling


Why digital leadership must center human value, not just human likeness


With commentary from students, actors, and global stats on AI displacement, this is a must-listen for future-focused women who won’t settle for a world shaped without them.


Complete the First Movers Survey | Link here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Iovfa7FfSCbNYcaGT_WCruOn26

Complete the survey for your chance to win a coaching session with Yas and Cassie


Be part of the one million First Movers rewriting the future. Let’s move!

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2 months ago
19 minutes 25 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
First Movers Quick Bites: Cassie Roma Talks Slowing Down to Speed Up And The Quiet Power of Moving First

In a world obsessed with hustle, speed, and the next big thing — what if the real secret to moving first… is slowing down?


In this solo episode, Cassie Roma dives deep into the paradox of progress: how stillness fuels clarity, and how intentional pauses create space for bold, brave movement. Drawing on stories from business, creativity, and lived experience, Cassie explores why slowing down isn’t about losing momentum — it’s about regaining direction.


If you’ve been feeling like you’re always sprinting but never quite arriving, this episode is your invitation to take a breath, realign, and remember: the first mover doesn’t rush — they rise with purpose.


💭 Because speed without strategy burns out. But presence? Presence builds empires.


Complete the First Movers Survey | Link here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Iovfa7FfSCbNYcaGT_WCruOn26

Complete the survey for your chance to win a coaching session with Yas and Cassie


Be part of the one million First Movers rewriting the future. Let’s move

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2 months ago
11 minutes 31 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
The Loneliness Epidemic: Why Belonging Beats Fitting In

Episode Description:
In a hyper-connected world, loneliness is quietly becoming one of the greatest public health challenges of our time.

In this episode, Yasmin London and Cassie Roma tackle the Loneliness Epidemic head-on—exploring why so many of us feel disconnected, even in a sea of “followers” and video calls.

Together, they unpack:

  • The difference between loneliness and social isolation—and why both matter for our health.

  • Why young people, new parents, and hybrid workers are some of the hardest hit.

  • How culture, technology, and cost-of-living pressures are erasing the “bump-into-you” moments that once anchored us.

  • The risks and opportunities of AI companions, and whether they can ever replace human connection.

  • Practical tools—from micro-connections and rituals to workplace strategies—that build true belonging.

This is not a conversation about weakness—it’s a reframing of loneliness as a human signal. Because the antidote isn’t “fitting in” at all costs, it’s belonging. And belonging starts with small acts: a hello, a smile, a moment of presence.

💡 Challenge for listeners: Make one intentional connection this week—and share it with us @FirstMovers.


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2 months ago
47 minutes 35 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
Micro-Feminism: Turning Everyday Defaults Into Everlasting Disruptions

Micro-feminism is feminism’s espresso shot—tiny, potent, and guaranteed to jolt the patriarchy awake.


In this episode of the First Movers Podcast, Cassie and Yasmin swap stories, memes, and cheeky truths about the small acts of equality that ripple through workplaces, culture, and everyday life.


Noticing is a superpower. And, tiny acts stick. They shift culture in everyday, repeatable ways and remind us that equality isn’t a one-off event—it’s a daily practice.


Let’s get moving!


Music by Bohdan Kuzmin from Pixabay

Follow us at: firstmoversmedia

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3 months ago
40 minutes 11 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
First Movers - WNBA Players Dodging Dildos & First Mover Strategies to Change The Game (For The Better)

First Movers with Cassie Roma & Yasmin London — where we call it like it is. This week, we’re talking about the recent dildo-throwing debacle in the WNBA and why it’s not just a “wild fan moment” — it’s part of a bigger, uglier culture of demeaning women in sport.

From locker rooms to boardrooms, we’re taking aim at the responsibility of teams, owners, players’ associations, leaders, and the media to draw a hard line: zero tolerance for harassment, online or off.

Expect laughter, side-eye, and some very real talk about protecting the women who play, lead, and inspire — because if you think a flying sex toy is harmless fun, you’re not paying attention.

First Movers, it's time dunk on the outdated behaviours that hold women back!

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4 months ago
33 minutes 17 seconds

FIRST MOVERS - In Conversation
The First Movers Podcast is hosted by Cassie Roma and Yasmin London. It's a community for anyone looking for information, inspiration, stories, and tools to summon the courage (& build the confidence) they need to step off of the sidelines of their lives & into the arena. Because it's the First Movers who shape the world around them, online and offline. They don’t just adapt to change; they create it. By stepping up, they lead, innovate, and challenge outdated ways of thinking, making it possible for others to follow new, better paths. Join us as we help others MOVE FIRST!