FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
For each episode, we gather a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter.
Audience-members listen to interviews with 14 women on intellectual undermining -the sexism on the mind and the soul-.
During four moments, they are invited to be interviewed by one of the musicians. All interactions are carried by live, improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp). This is what you hear in this podcast, unedited.
By doing this, we create a sounding collection of human experiences of respect, power and dignity. How we give that to each other, and take it away from each other.
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
For each episode, we gather a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter.
Audience-members listen to interviews with 14 women on intellectual undermining -the sexism on the mind and the soul-.
During four moments, they are invited to be interviewed by one of the musicians. All interactions are carried by live, improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp). This is what you hear in this podcast, unedited.
By doing this, we create a sounding collection of human experiences of respect, power and dignity. How we give that to each other, and take it away from each other.
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Find us on instagram.com/resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || resonate-productions.com
info@resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: assimmilation - infantilisation - helping a younger brother - the future of feminism - to express myself.
Recorded on the 21st of November 2025, at BAM Brooklyn, Next Wave Festival, New York City.
(01:25) Dorotea [°1970 - Ocean of Lingayen, Philippines]: “The teacher accused me of not doing my homework myself. How can an immigrant girl know how to type? I quit highschool. I assimmilated to the story he had of me."
(07:10) Clara [°1994 - Stanford, Connecticut, USA]: “I am infantilized often. It kind of made me bitter over time. But there is a Haitian proverb: 'you will meet the man, or you'll meet your maker.'"
(11:53) Danre Adekunle [°Ibadan, Nigeria]: “I am an eldest immigrant daughter, my parents defer decision making to me. My brother is soaring right now. I flew down to Atlanta each month to make sure he is in a good place, 24 flights in 12 months."
(15:32) Anne [°1989 - Brazil]: "My mother didn't get to have a career. But she has one now, in art. Her medium is what comes from domestic work, which she was made to do when she was young. I also took her for granted as a servant. She had so much more to say, that I was missing. It didn't end there."
(20:10) Greta [°2009 - New York City]: "I am in a feminism club at my school. I have been trying to ignore a lot of stuff, push it away. Being a young woman, feeling I have the future of feminism on my back... people don't realise how hard it is. What am I going to do with my future? How am I going to make this right?"
(27:00) What do you deserve? A chain of 10 answers, with a gender shift in the middle after "for one single man to come up here and tell us what they deserve." Ending with: 'I deserve to express myself.'"
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
This episode was co-produced by Qubit Music and supported by the Dutch Embassy in New York
Leadership support for theater at BAM provided by The Shubert Foundation, Inc. and The SHS Foundation
Leadership support for Next Wave 2025 provided by National Endowment for the Arts
Support for theater at BAM provided by The Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and Laura Pels International Foundation for Theater
Additional support for theater at BAM provided by The Francena T. Harrison Foundation Trust and David L. Klein, Jr. Foundation
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: Nixon hires - exclusion within the family - no/yes - wanting kids vs. finances.
Recorded on the 20th of November 2025, at BAM Brooklyn, Next Wave Festival, New York City.
(01:25) Jeane Andrews [°1952 - Wisconsin, USA]: “It was the first woman to get hired by a major oil company in the 70s. They didn't want to hire me, president Nixon had just signed an affirmative action act, every company had to hire one woman. We all got fired."
(12:40) Raven [°2007 - Rumford, Maine, USA]: “When I was a kid I used to feel excluded a lot within my family. They liked my brother more, the things he liked more. I was just someone who was there sometimes."
(16:26) Kalleiope [°2006 - Iowa, USA]: “I was dating a guy who ended up being my manager. I got in trouble for getting my breaks at the same time as his. There is this balance of when saying 'no' or 'yes' is bad, growing up as a woman. When can I say 'no' or 'yes' and what is going to get me through this world?"
(19:45) Sarah [°1988 - Michigan, USA]: "It's easy to say in your twenties 'I don't want kids'. But as you see the biological opportunity really running out, you realise: 'I don't have a roadmap.'" I can't afford children, and I work in theater. I was babysitting children of an actress, and the husband was really resentful. Like he was paying for her hobby."
(27:00) What do you deserve? And a chain of 21 answers.
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
This episode was co-produced by Qubit Music and supported by the Dutch Embassy in New York
Leadership support for theater at BAM provided by The Shubert Foundation, Inc. and The SHS Foundation
Leadership support for Next Wave 2025 provided by National Endowment for the Arts
Support for theater at BAM provided by The Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and Laura Pels International Foundation for Theater
Additional support for theater at BAM provided by The Francena T. Harrison Foundation Trust and David L. Klein, Jr. Foundation
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: responsibility to show I am not here - working only with lesbians - being the oldest Asian daughter - being part of art - deserving all the good things.
Recorded on the 19th of November 2025, at BAM Brooklyn, Next Wave Festival, New York City.
(01:30) Helga: “You could answer any of those questions with: 'it could be worse if you were black'. Perhaps people are tired of having this conversation. And I feel a tremendous responsibility to sit here. If I don't come and sit here, you don't know that I am not here."
(04:30) Cindy [°1983 - United States]: “A major producer, wealthy and older, said: 'Cindy, you have the makings of a truly great producer. But I want to sleep with you. So I could only ever view you as a mistress or secretary. I only work with lesbians.'"
(08:10) Lisa [°1999 - Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam]: “As an eldest daughter I had to always do the best I can and take care of my family. Or at least: not to embarrass them."
(11:30) Anonymous: "I always am afraid I am not brave and honest. I always wanted to make art, but you can't if you're not brave or honest. This was a way I could be part of art. Just one time."
(14:55) What do you deserve?: "It has taken me a whole lifetime to say what I am going to say here in public..."
"To not prove I am one of the bro's."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
This episode was co-produced by Qubit Music and supported by the Dutch Embassy in New York
Leadership support for theater at BAM provided by The Shubert Foundation, Inc. and The SHS Foundation
Leadership support for Next Wave 2025 provided by National Endowment for the Arts
Support for theater at BAM provided by The Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and Laura Pels International Foundation for Theater
Additional support for theater at BAM provided by The Francena T. Harrison Foundation Trust and David L. Klein, Jr. Foundation
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: lifting people up at work - unawareness - denying your own abilities - being warned by other women - coronatests - doubting yourself - equality, for everyone.
Recorded on 23 Αugust 2025 at Noorderzon, Groningen, the Netherlands, with staff members of the academic hospital of Groningen: the UMCG.
(01:22) Anne [°1987 - Leeuwarden, NL]: “My bosses lifted me up and took me really serious. More serious than I took myself."
(05:10) Corinna [°1968 - Eelde, NL]: “Maybe we can all understand each other more. Ask questions."
(09:37) Serée [°1986 - Groningen, NL]: “I have four kids in the whole gender range. About the clear girl, aged four: 'she is a bit bossy'. I went tiger-mom."
(14:03) Margriet Bos [°1967 - Groningen, NL]: "The professor said something very sexually motivated. Maybe 15 years ago. I had forgotten about it. It sticks because you feel so powerless. Because it is not very clear. And he is a professor..."
(19:20) Margie [°1981 - Groningen, NL]: "I work as a molecular biologist. This friend continued and continued to explain how the coronatests work to me. I just let it go."
(23:50) Carina [°1968 - Eelde, NL]: "The little self-doubts add up and up and up. My youngest works in a café now, I learn a lot from her."
(28:28) Mariska [°1985 - Groningen, NL]: "Me being white, my husband being black, people ask me if my children are from here, if they are even mine. My oldest one at school: a kid comes up and says: "Black people are less than us." And the school saying: "yes, but this is a white school..." Keep shouting."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: going home after work - tradition - tea - responsibilities for other people's happiness.
Recorded on 23 Αugust 2025 at Noorderzon, Groningen, the Netherlands.
(01:17) Nikkie [°1968 - Amsterdam, NL]: “The science world is hard to work in, especially when you are a female, when you have kids, and you want to go home."
(07:03) Judith [°1981]: “I work in visual arts. It is tight and conservative."
(11:20) Rutger Doting [°1999]: “If you are drinking tea as a man in the Netherlands, you are a wuss."
(17:44) Suzanna [°1980 - Amsterdan, NL]: On the chain of responsibility for the happiness of parents, siblings, children and partner. "It sometimes feels like: where is the responsibility of making me happy."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: cancelling - the balancing act - being forgotten in illness in illness - feeling powerless.
Recorded on 11 May 2025 at Theaterfestival Auawirleben at the Dampfzentrale in Bern, Switzerland.
(02:18) Yaniv [°1977 - Israel]: “You have an argument with someone and instead of relating with what they say, you explain why they would say something like that.”
(08:22) Anna [°1997 - Zofingen, CH]: “Especially as a woman, you try to do this balancing act and then you realize: “Oh no, I’ve again thought of other people’s opinion before I thought about what I want”.
(13:04) Antonia [°2003 - Switzerland]: “It’s a mindset I’m taking on when I feel like I’m not being heard correctly.”
(19:00) Vinny [°1995 - Zoug, CH]: “Since I’ve been chronically ill, I’ve been in bed so much. And I feel like chronically ill people get forgotten a lot, or they’re not invited into spaces, because they’re too complicated.”
(23:19) Titien [°1993 - Winterthur, CH]: “What makes me feel powerless is the state of the world right now, and that we are inheriting a patriarchy that we never wanted but that has been laid on all of us.”
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: not doing an ‘extraordinary’ job - not having opinions - underestimating discrimination - the need to be softer.
Recorded on 10 May 2025 at Theaterfestival Auawirleben at the Dampfzentrale in Bern, Switzerland.
(01:39) Melissa [°1992 - Ankara, TU]: “You get up one morning, you find a letter in your letterbox, they tell you to get out of the country. And then you have to go to the bar, after your 10 hours working and you have to serve people their afterwork beer with a smile. Then they tell me that I’m not doing an extraordinary job.”
(07:19) Maria [°1986 - Vladivostok, RU]: “I was about 7 or 8, and I was trying to prove something to my stepfather, and he told me: ‘we cannot have a dialogue, because to have a dialogue, you have to have your opinion, but you don’t have opinions.’”
(12:53) Effy [°2003 - Bern, CH]: “I always have the same reaction: ‘why do you work against discrimination in Switzerland, we don’t have any discrimination here’. It’s just sad and actually quite dangerous.”
(19:31) Nico [°1977 - Bern, CH]: “Maybe we should educate all children the way females have been brought up: to question your knowledge, and to be a bit softer about super-imposing whatever you think.”
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: making your own table - selfcare of a grandmother - carrying your country's responsibilities - abortion.
Recorded on 8 May 2025 at Frascati in Amsterdam.
(01:38) Sarah [°1996 - Utrecht]: “She looks nice and all, but what does she know.”
(06:50) Juan Andres [°1996 - Caracas, VEN]: “I’ve been leading marketing teams since very early in my career and I was always amazed at how, being so young and so tiny, I was able to do that.”
(10:05) Raquel van Haver [°1989 - Bogota, COL]: “The moment you don’t speak up, the moment you keep silent, the moment you just look away, that’s the moment you’re actually the loudest.”
(15:15) Kristina [°1979 - Moscow, RU]: “Everything that I loved and admired so much, actually broke down and shattered.”
(19:03) Adi [°1996 - India]: about seeing his grandmother in scarce moments of selfcare, oiling her body.
(24:38) Alydia [°1974 - Oranjestad, Aruba]: “When I was 18, I had my first boyfriend and I got pregnant. I decided not to have that child because I’m a child myself. I was 18 and I had dreams, I had visions, I need to study, I need to move, I need to do things. So I had an abortion.”
(35:40) What do you deserve? “To be immune to those that can hurt you” “To have tears, to have feelings and to share them.”
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: being a good teacher - should have known better - breadwinners - perfection - education.
Recorded on 8 March 2025 at Gigant Apeldoorn, hosted by Artez University of the Arts.
(01:50) David [°1998 - Rotterdam, NL]: "In some sense, it feels like you’re always still proving yourself, also in your insecurities."
(06:10) Daniela [°1997 - Salerno, IT]: "I really have the feeling that every time I talk with someone I have to give the correct answer because if I made a mistake then I’m not good enough and I’m not in that same level. And I feel that especially with men."
(11:06) Chris [°1995 - Maastricht, NL]: "My students, they are very vulnerable. And I’m just scared to send them into a world where there are so many professionals in the field who might take advantage of them in that way. But I’m also hopeful, because the world has changed in the last few years."
(15:44) Trinke [°1992 - Maastricht, NL]: "Especially in that region of the country, where women were just supposed to be there for the family, my mother was the one with the better education and she was the bread winner of our household. […] I actually like a lot that she didn’t make too much of a fuss about these things. It gives me the energy and the security to do things my way."
(18:40) Marianna [°1997 - Olivella, ES]: "We need to sell ourselves in the perfect way. Every time we speak, every time we play we need to make sure that that’s the right thing. And what makes me really angry is that I also do that with other women."
(24:22) What do you deserve? "To trust that I can do it" "The patience to give me more time to digest and thing about everything."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: being reduced to stereotypes - feeling left-out with men - being underestimated - the responsibility of filling a quota - micromachismo.
Recorded on 10 March 2025 at TU Delft, the Netherlands, hosted by DEWIS.
(01:40) Seju [°2000 - Mahoba, IN]: "I am afraid people see me as someone who is not from Europe. 'This is where you come from so this is perhaps how you think, what you do and what you like.' That is scary. I would want people to see me behind their own vices. Not as a female engineer, who can only be interested in female problems." "So much is overlooked because of your gender." "What exactly?" "Those are thoughts I do not want to think about."
(08:00) Parisa [°1995, IR]: "I am not taken seriously and left out at meetings here at TUDelft. Which doesn't make sense to me: it is a scientific discussion. In one-to-one discussions I always feel heard, but in groups with men not, I feel left out. I constantly feel I need to make my voice heard, and I shouldn't. If I force it, it becomes a pity-attention, and that also does not work. I don't understand why this happens. How can we solve this?"
(13:23) Carolina [°1999, PT]: "'Are you sure you can do that?' That hits you with embarrassment, to take up your own space. It is some shame, especially when you are young. It was said to me that my presence was essential because I had to bring some peace into a room of male energy. Almost mothering me. They were old enough to be my father. But they are not sexist, right? Because they have mothers and daughters they do respect, they are just trying to protect me..."
(19:29) Tracy Davis [°1985, Capetown, SA]: "Not only being a female but also a female of colour, especially from South Africa with a painful history, based on race. You are filling the quota and it is also a big responsibility. Trying to be the example. It's also something to be grateful for: you are able to try, to step out. To be able to empower the others."
(25:41) Victory [°1994, Nigeria] and Natalie Mesa [°1991, Peru]: about micromachismo, "being called Natisita in my first job as an engineer in the mining sector. The others were 'doctor' even though they were not." And: "Hey mom, you are strong, you are brave and I love you. My mom has 7 girls and 1 boy and went to university after having all of us. She just pulled through and kept up showing up every day."
(32:40) What do you deserve? "To be free to just be." "To have space to act when we need it, but also rest when we need it." "The relief to not need to be a superwoman." "The benefit of the doubt." "To be myself, even if I change the way I am at some point." "Support."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: female leadership - the dangers of the patriarchal system - conversations with men - sexist a priori - calling people out on their behavior.
Recorded on 23 November 2024, Explore the North, Leeuwarden.
(01:26) Minke [°1952 - Wolvega, Friesland, NL]: reflects on female leadership. "A leader who humiliates, is not a leader."
(05:13) Janneke [°2001, Wierden, NL]: "I am a musician, and technicians feel the urge to explain me where the ON-button is on an amp. Explaining me I am not holding my guitar correctly."
(09:26) Eva [°1989, Leeuwarden,NL]: "The patriarchal system is heavy and unsafe for everyone."
(12:55) Sytzke [°2003, a village next to Leeuwarden,NL]: "I feel the responsibility to be bubbly. Especially in conversation with men, I feel I need to make them feel seen. Women resonate with that. Afterwards, I feel really drained." And the secret of showing interest.
(18:55) Johannes [°2001, Oostende, BE] and Tessa [°1998, Woerden, NL]: about being on tour with a female technician, and everyone always addressing Johannes. "What can I do apart from using tricks?" Tessa: "Is it OK to call people out on their behavior? I wish people would dare to say: 'this is not OK.'"
(24:55) What do you deserve? "To feel safe, without being kept on my toes."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: art school toxicity - the responsibilities of raising children - hiding behind a smile - giving birth - deserving pleasure.
Recorded on 30 October 2024, Schuur, Haarlem.
(01:48) Emmy [°1988 - USA] asks musician Sarah about the red threads in all the interviews of FOR REAL so far.
(4:07) Anonymous: "I went to art school and I was in the year with a rapist. Everybody excused that guy. Teachers only going to the bar with the men, sniffing coke together. People say to you: "Oh, but you can really see it was made by a women". And then you think it must be me, my art is not good enough. I am running an art space now, trying to do the exact opposite of what I was taught in art school."
(08:05) Lilly [NL] "What responsibilities lie on your shoulders? Is that in the first place I am a mom. I have two beautiful daughters (...) what I try to do in raising them is to make them strong and resilient. Show them that they really have to be themselves."
(14:08) Anonymous: "I had a fight at work where I was treated very unjustly. I told it to my therapist. And she said: 'are you aware you are telling me this with a huge smile?' It's something a lot of women do. It's probably because it is safer to be friendly all the time than to be angry".
(17:05) Sil: "I felt very much how much the world at the moment needs women. There is so much we can do and a man can not." E.g. on the privilege of giving birth to children. "We are lucky to be a woman. I feel that every day."
(20:59) Robin: "I deserve pleasure. And this is difficult for me, because when I was born, the doctor did not see a willie so he said "it's a girl". I'm 33 now and a couple of years ago I came to realise that that small sentence trapped me. I think, people are worried for my happiness. That's an experience that you feel at ease with yourself. Joy beyond the labels. I think that's what we all deserve."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: women’s imposter syndrome - breaking the chain of traumas - not getting attention - fear of speaking out - strong stories.
Recorded on 30 October 2024, Schuur, Haarlem.
(01:25) Jolanda [°1969 - Terschelling, NL] "We need the other 50% too, to start to make a difference. I would love to find men who say: I was one of those men and I'm sorry."
(04:50) Tuhin [°1988 - Kolkata, IN] "When I work with women, I see they put in 20 times the work. They question if they belong here. That confidence will take a lot of time to build. This is very counterproductive to the ecosystem. We all play a role here."
(10:05) Francesca [°1991 - Montepulciano, IT] "The responsibilities... towards my daughter. Her education, giving her food, transmitting values. Breaking the chain of traumas I am inheriting from the past. Which might be one of the hardest responsibilities on my shoulders. Transmit her the feeling she is not alone in her struggles in the world. She does not need to surrender to the individualism around us."
(14:19) Gina [°1990 - Amsterdam, NL] "Everybody listens to my brother all the time, he talks all the time. That frustrates me. I wanted my family to listen to me. I raised my voice, the response was: 'Gina! You put all the attention on you! You are probably drunk.' I had to laugh and then I got really sad."
(19:34) Rachel [°1983 - Leeds, UK] speaks with Tabitha [°1987 - Albuquerque, USA]
who was thinking about her mother a lot. "I was a responsibility on her shoulders. She cleaned houses and felt invisible."
Rachel speaks about the fear to speak out, and experiments with expressing herself in public, for example in her own music. It takes a lot of courage.
(24:35) Marelie [°1978] meets Durga [°43 years old, I think]. "I said no to be interviewed by Andrea. I think only sad stories about women will be remembered. I was worried people only remember sad stories. I deserve a strong voice. We deserve strong stories."
Marelie: "My mom was sent off as an au pair, her brother was allowed to go to college. I am so happy to hear different stories from the people in their 20s now."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: women in physics - being in control - the importance to matter - pushing women - losing your voice.
Recorded on 27 October 2024, POM, Eindhoven (NL).
(01:25) Saskia [°1970 - Groningen, NL] on the position of women in physics. "I am full of stories. I have been interviewing female physicists of color and I was crying behind my laptop. And then a colleague is telling me I am making things up."
(06:42) Arnoud [°1978 - Zeist, NL] "I am the oldest son of the oldest son. So responsibility becomes a big issue. Be in control." And a U-turn that had to be taken.
(12:37) Mauricio Diaz [°1981 - Mexico City] "A very important thing is to matter and to be respected. And to be alive."
(18:23) Inge [°1988 - USA/NL] recently became a mother herself, which started conversations with her own mother. "It's so similar, what we experienced. Which makes me sad. Women are still so pushed as women."
(21:47) Astrid [°1990 - Columbia] "I loose my voice. I do want to say things, but feel that nothing that I would be capable to say is meaningful. Because I have been harmed, I don't want to harm."
(26:44) What do you deserve? "To be more proud of myself. To be able to speak my mind. To be respected as a man in my vulnerability. To be loved and be happy, as we all do."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: appearances & identity - the responsibility to be nice - women/men friendships - being a full-time dad.
Recorded on 7 September 2024, at Gaudeamus, Theater Kikker, Utrecht.
(02:01) Ellen [°1960 - Rotterdam, NL] on an exam of instrumentation in musicology, and the demand of a retake, for the sake of being taken seriously.
(05:55) Emily [°1996 - Canterbury, UK] on appearing as a white woman, when her mother is from Bagdad, who studied mechanical engineering. "My appearance is a barrier to talking about her and her experiences."
(09:40) Daniela Bittman [°1952 - Romania] "I am very aggressive. One of my bosses pinched my behind. What do you think I did? I turned around and pinched him."
(14:15) Elsa [°2004 - Sydney, AU] on the responsibility to be nice to men who offer her advice she does not need. "It would feel scary to say: no thank you, leave me alone."
(18:08) Lilly (CH) and Alberto (ES) on not having female friends. On needing both. How can women and men be friends?
(27:00) What do you deserve? "The freedom to be a man who looks after children. Not to be judged and not to feel less of a man, for doing that."
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this special episode of FOR REAL, the team looks back at the journey so far. Every team member brings their favourite fragment, which leads us to conversations on what it took to build this project.
With Sarah Jeffery (recorders & voice), Burkhard Körner (outside-eye), Hayden Hook (sound engineer), George Dumitriu (viola & guitar) and Andrea Voets (harp & musical journalism).
Part 3 of 3.
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu
Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this special episode of FOR REAL, the team looks back at the journey so far. Every team member brings their favourite fragment, which leads us to conversations on what it took to build this project.
With Sarah Jeffery (recorders & voice), Burkhard Körner (outside-eye), Hayden Hook (sound engineer), George Dumitriu (viola & guitar) and Andrea Voets (harp & musical journalism).
Part 2 of 3.
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu
Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this special episode of FOR REAL, the team looks back at the journey so far. Every member brings their favourite fragment, which leads us to conversations on what it took to build this project.
With Sarah Jeffery (recorders & voice), Burkhard Körner (outside-eye), Hayden Hook (sound engineer), George Dumitriu (viola & guitar) and Andrea Voets (harp & musical journalism).
The book that kickstarted this project is 'the Authority Gap' by Mary Ann Sieghart.
Part 1 of 3.
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu
Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: having to prove your masculinity - being the outlier - self-respect - voicing your opinion as a woman - people pleasing.
Recorded on 15 June 2024, at Toets des Tijds, VEEM, Amsterdam.
(01:42) Fie [°1972 - Amsterdam, NL] tells about talking to the board of a cultural fund, who asked her: “where do you actually make your living from?” And not being able to speak her mind in that moment. And a rhetoric question: “would this question be asked to a man?”
(05:07) Hans [°1971 - Amsterdam, NL] describes how he was kicked out of a choir, at the moment he had prepared drinks and snacks for the group.
(09:51) Izak [°1996 - Amsterdam, NL] on proving your own masculinity: “What it is, I cannot tell you.” And 40 micro-agressions in one day, today. “Today was a good day.”
(15:40) Conny [°1952 - Rotterdam, NL] on being the outlier at school, the consequences for your sense of self and an epiphany of self-respect.
(18:37) Karmit [°1996 - Treuchtlingen, DE] is a female composer. “Voicing your opinion as a woman has consequences, so I don’t dare to share examples here, so you actually feel powerless.” “I would love there to come a point that there is no need anymore for us to share the examples. Because the fact that we need to share it, is horrible.”
(20:27) Luke [°1990 - London, UK] on people pleasing. “I spent a lot of my life making sure everyone is OK about me. That makes it really hard for me to confess to people when I’m not feeling OK.”
Karmit: feeling like you ruin everything when you speak your mind.
(23:24) What do you deserve? To be me, with all the good and the bad. Love. Being sinterklaas. To get it wrong sometimes. A role model, not to feel alone.
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.
In this episode: being underestimated - being reduced to a body - having to prove yourself - unwanted advice.
Recorded on 18 May 2024, at O. festival in Rotterdam.
(01:35) Madelief [°2007 - Shanghai, CN] on a colleague, sinking down to his knees to get to eye level. And real guy friends, who prefer to chat with other guys than to sit with Madelief.
(05:02) Salomé [°1977 - Amstelveen, NL] is short and blond. A busdriver spelled out "this bus is going to the u-ni-ver-si-ty" to her. On surprising and countering people. "There is more to her than you see".
(08:05) Lindertje [°1986 - Hoorn, NL] on men, coming to her after her performances, commenting: your body is amazing. "All the other things were less impressive than my body." Not the artwork. On people who don't believe she creates her own performances. Andrea asks -for a friend- how to bring it across, that you are making your own work.
(14:00) Ellen [°1982 - Voorburg, NL] is a medical anthropologist. She writes when she wants to be heard. On a history of being tested and having to prove yourself. On being seen as the vessel of your baby, by a gynecologist, not having a say in how to give birth. "I looked at the literature and wrote a 5-page letter with all studies attached." After which she got granted decision-making power. "I wish I would have been able to just focus on being pregnant."
(20:12) Andy [°1986 - California, USA] "Andy is an ambiguous name: ‘Oh, I thought you were going to be a man.’ I would like to people not be disappointed by seeing me show up." And receiving unwanted advise from a male professor on interviewing subjects for research: "wear make up, be pleasant, accommodating and genuinely interested in the other person."
(24:40) What do you deserve? You may want everything you want. Respect: no one should forget Respect. To know that you matter, regardless of people's gendered expectations.
For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).
Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-
Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu
Sound engineer: Hayden Hook
Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte
Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.