In their 15th episode, Caleb and Trevor discuss the difference they see in spending quality time with a person vs the quantity of time spent with that same person. They reflect on how this has manifested itself within their relationships with family members as well as each other, and how the most successful and smoothest of relationships are those with what Caleb coins as "low emotional friction". This discussion as a whole leads the two to redefine the word "therapy" and how the name of this podcast so well fits with this definition. Recorded on 6.3.2021.