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Historically Thinking
Al Zambone
300 episodes
1 week ago
We believe that when people think historically, they are engaging in a disciplined way of thinking about the world and its past. We believe it gives thinkers a knack for recognizing nonsense; and that it cultivates not only intellectual curiosity and rigor, but also intellectual humility. Join Al Zambone, author of Daniel Morgan: A Revolutionary Life, as he talks with historians and other professionals who cultivate the craft of historical thinking.
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We believe that when people think historically, they are engaging in a disciplined way of thinking about the world and its past. We believe it gives thinkers a knack for recognizing nonsense; and that it cultivates not only intellectual curiosity and rigor, but also intellectual humility. Join Al Zambone, author of Daniel Morgan: A Revolutionary Life, as he talks with historians and other professionals who cultivate the craft of historical thinking.
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Historically Thinking
Lady Frances Berkeley/Amy Stallings: Bacon’s Rebellion, Colonial Virginia, and First-person Historical Interpretation
In this episode of Historically Thinking, we begin not with a historian’s voice, but with the voice of a seventeenth-century woman.Lady Frances Culpeper Berkeley—born in England, twice widowed, and married in 1670 to Sir William Berkeley, governor of Virginia—speaks from the midst of crisis. Jamestown has burned. Nathaniel Bacon’s rebellion has fractured the colony’s political order. Her husband has been recalled to England to answer charges before the Crown. Lady Berkeley, left behind, attempts to make sense of loyalty, loss, honor, and exile.That voice is brought to life by my second guest, Amy Stallings, a historian and historical interpreter who believes the past is best understood not only through documents, but through embodied experience. Together, we explore Bacon’s Rebellion from an unfamiliar vantage point, the interior world of Lady Frances Berkeley, and the intellectual stakes of historical reenactment itself: what it reveals, what it risks, and what it makes newly visible.00:00 - Introduction00:28 - Lady Frances Culpeper Berkeley Introduces Herself00:58 - Writing to Her Husband in England02:55 - Sir William Berkeley's Accomplishments in Virginia04:23 - The Royal Commissioners and Personal Betrayal05:47 - Berkeley's Loyalty During the English Civil War07:17 - Berkeley's Resistance to Parliament08:15 - Berkeley's Return to Power and Jamestown's Glory09:39 - Nathaniel Bacon's Rebellion Begins11:08 - Bacon Surrounds the State House12:57 - Introducing Amy Stallings13:41 - Theater and History Intertwined14:27 - The Dissertation on Ballroom Politics21:40 - Dance as Political Resistance24:25 - English Country Dancing Before the Waltz28:53 - First Character: Susan Binks, Tobacco Bride28:53 - Learning History Through First-Person Interpretation39:14 - Developing Lady Berkeley's Character46:52 - Lady Berkeley's Isolation and Loss46:52 - Lady Berkeley's Inheritance and Legal Battles55:00 - The Challenges of Colonial Communication57:00 - Sewing Period Costumes61:51 - Conclusion
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1 week ago
31 minutes 18 seconds

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The Party's Interests Come First: Joseph Torigian on the Life of Xi Zhongxun, Father of Xi Jinping
According to Chinese Communist official Xi Zhongxun, his first revolutionary act was an attempt to poison one of his school’s administrators when he was 14. He was faithful to the revolution, and the Chinese Communist Party, until his death at age 88 in 2002. In between those ages was a remarkable life. He fought Nationalists and Japanese. He was a right-hand man to both Zhou Enlai in the 1950s, and Hu Yaobang in the 1980s. As the Party administrator responsible for dealing with religious groups, he negotiated with the Dalai Lama–and would show off the wristwatch that the Dalai Lama gave him. But Xi also spent sixteen years in house arrest, internal exile, under suspicion, or at least out of power, from 1962 to 1978. “In the early 1990s, Xi even boasted to a Western historian that although Deng Xiaoping had suffered at the hands of the party on three occasions, he had been persecuted five times.” All this would make Xi Zhongxun fascinating simply as a psychological study of a Communist functionary who, despite everything, remained devoted to the system that oppressed him. But Xi Zhongxun was also the father of Xi Jinping, now effectively the dictator of China. If we are to understand the younger Xi, argues my guest Joseph Torigian, then we must understand his father.Joseph Torigian is an associate professor in the School of International Service at American University in Washington, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and a center associate of the Lieberthal-Rogel Center for Chinese Studies at the University of Michigan. He was previously on the podcast to discuss his book Prestige, Manipulation, and Coercion: Elite Power Struggles in the Soviet Union and China after Stalin and Mao, a conversation that was published on May 23, 2022 (https://www.historicallythinking.org/p/episode-265-how-to-win-a-power-struggle-b2d?r=257pn6). His latest book is The Party’s Interests Come First: The Life of Xi Zhongxun, Father of Xi Jinping was released with Stanford University Press in June 2025. It was a Financial Times Book of the Summer and an Economist Best Book of the Year So Far.00:00 — Introduction02:19 — Overview of Xi Zhongxun's Life07:15 — Early Life and Revolutionary Beginnings11:44 — Growing Up as a Peasant in Shaanxi15:02 — Path to the Communist Base Areas19:21 — The United Front Work24:10 — Work with Ethnic Minorities26:00 — The 1935 Arrest by Fellow Communists27:56 — Patronage and Party Relationships30:51 — The Northwest Bureau and China's Territorial Expansion33:43 — Personal Life and Family36:37 — The 1962 Purge41:50 — Sixteen Years of Persecution44:37 — Why Bring Him Back?46:53 — Deng Xiaoping's Distrust50:55 — Grudges and Party History52:33 — Xi Jinping and His Father's Legacy59:17 — Conclusion
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2 weeks ago
29 minutes 42 seconds

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Poinsettia Man: Lindsay Schakenbach Regele on Joel Roberts Poinsett, Adventures, Diplomacy, Espionage, Trade, Self-Dealing, South Carolina, and the Paradoxes of American Patriotism
The red flowered plant that shows up everywhere at this time of year–I saw a forest of them in Wegman’s this morning– is called in Mexico the cuetlaxochitl, or the noche buena; but Americans know it by as the namesake of man who introduced it to the United States: poinsettia. Yet Joel Roberts Poinsett was a more interesting organism than that plant given his name. He was a South Carolinian who spent years away from the state, and was a committed nationalist and anti-nullifier; a world traveller when few Americans were; a slaveowner who other slaveowners regarded as potentially anti-slavery; an international investor who also labored for South Carolina local improvements; a diplomat who spent years if not decades trying to find a way to be a soldier. And that’s leaving a few facets of his identity out. As my guest Lindsay Schackenbach Regele sums him up, “He was not the same, anywhere.”Lindsay Schakenbach Regele (mailto:regelels@miamioh.edu) is with me to discuss Joel Poinsett, his era, and what he reveals about it. She was previously on the podcast in a conversation that dropped on April 3, 2019, which focused on her book Manufacturing Advantage: War, the State, and the Origins of American Industry, 1776–1848 (Hopkins, 2019). Her latest book is Flowers, Guns, and Money: Joel Roberts Poinsett and the Paradoxes of American Patriotism, and it is the focus of our conversation today.For more information and links, to to our Substack at www.historicallythinking.org00:00 – Introduction (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=0) 00:22 – Joel Roberts Poinsett: A Complex Figure (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=22) 02:47 – Early Life: A Loyalist Family's Journey (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=167)05:19 – Education in New England and England (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=319) 06:50 – European Travels and Grand Tour (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=410) 08:56 – Mission to Latin America (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=536) 11:11 – Journey Down the Volga River (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=671) 13:38 – Botanical Interests and Scientific Pursuits (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=818) 18:34 – Secret Agent in South America (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=1114) 21:41 – Supporting Independence Movements (https://web.descript.com/8b49c74f-b982-444d-9a80-9b5c1d50806c/4c164?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=1301) 23:38 – 
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3 weeks ago
31 minutes 33 seconds

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Plato's Letters: Ariel Helfer on the Political Challenges of the Philosophic Life
The Greek philosopher Plato is famous for writing his teachings in the form of dialogues. But there are additionally a series of seven letters attributed to Plato. Over the centuries much ink has been spilt in arguments over their authenticity. My guest today argues that these letters are actually epistolary philosophical novel which are if nothing else a “ripping great yarn”.“In the pages of Plato’s letters,” writes Ariel Helfer, “we find Plato the teacher, the counselor, the ally, the statesman; intrigue and faction in the court of a tyrant; grand political hopes dashed as famous utopian dreams become living nightmares—it is a stunningly dramatic and dynamic portrait of Plato and his philosophy.” An alll this is set in the exotic setting of Hellenized Sicily during the 5th century BC, which has a cultural and political complexity that makes the head spin uncontrollably. Ariel Helfer is Associate Professor of Philosophy at Wayne State University, and the most recently editor and translator of Plato’s letters in an edition titled Plato’s Letters: The Political Challenges of the Philosophic LIfe . He was last on Historically Thinking to discuss Plato’s dialogue Alcibiades, and the broader subject of political ambition, in a conversation that was published on September 30, 2020.For show notes, resources, and our archive, go the Historically Thinking Substack Chapters* Introduction and Background (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#introduction-and-background) — 00:22* The Authenticity Debate of Plato's Letters (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#the-authenticity-debate-of-platos-letters) — 03:25* Arguments for Authenticity and Unity (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#arguments-for-authenticity-and-unity) — 11:27* Textual History and Preservation (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#textual-history-and-preservation) — 18:36* Historical Context: Plato in Syracuse (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#historical-context-plato-in-syracuse) — 26:19* Themes in the Letters (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#themes-in-the-letters) — 33:55* Letter One: A Dramatic Opening (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#letter-one-a-dramatic-opening) — 40:51* Letter Six: Philosophy, Law, and Playfulness (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#letter-six-philosophy-law-and-playfulness) — 47:35* Philosophy vs. History: Different Perspectives (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#philosophy-vs-history-different-perspectives) — 56:24* The Herculaneum Scrolls and Future Discoveries (https://web.descript.com/88224a30-a5aa-4b30-ad31-f38024e26b87/5806b?editorVariant=default#the-herculaneum-scrolls-and-future-discoveries) — 1:03:20
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1 month ago
34 minutes 27 seconds

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Vector: Robyn Arianrohd on the Surprising Story of Space, Time, and Mathematical Transformation
On October 16, 1843, William Rowan Hamilton was taking a walk with his wife Helen. He was on his way to preside over a meeting of the Royal Irish Academy. As Hamilton came to Broome Bridge, over the Royal Canal, the solution to a vexing problem finally emerged in front of him. He was so excited, and perhaps so afraid that he might forget, that he pulled out his penknife and carved the equation he had so suddenly conceived on the stonework of the bridge. That might not seem like such a revolutionary moment. But as my guest Robyn Arianrohd explains, Hamilton’s equation was the result of long centuries of mathematical effort. And its consequences would be immense. Because Hamilton’s thought made possible the concepts known as vectors and tensors. And vectors and tensors underlie much of modern science and technology, because they are used whenever a scientist or an engineer wants to use locations in space–everything from designing a bridge, to predicting the path of a gravitational wave; and there’s quite a lot of territory in between those two applications. That moment by the Broome Bridge ushered in a new era. Robyn Arianrohd is a mathematician, and a historian of science. Her previous books include Thomas Harriot: A Life in Science, which she and I discussed in a conversation that was published on April 30, 2019. (https://www.historicallythinking.org/p/the-curiosities-of-thomas-harriot?r=257pn6) Her latest book is Vector: A Surprising Story of Space, Time, and Mathematical Transformation. For show notes, resources, and our archive, go the Historically Thinking Substack Chapters* Thomas Harriet and the Birth of Modern Algebra (https://web.descript.com/0d766354-cd02-4279-93d2-ad326f32728d/a6702?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=193)* Navigation, Collisions, and Early Vector Concepts (https://web.descript.com/0d766354-cd02-4279-93d2-ad326f32728d/a6702?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=588)* Newton's Definition of Force and Direction (https://web.descript.com/0d766354-cd02-4279-93d2-ad326f32728d/a6702?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=892)* Augustus De Morgan and the Formalization of Algebra (https://web.descript.com/0d766354-cd02-4279-93d2-ad326f32728d/a6702?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=1202)* Hamilton's Breakthrough: Quaternions and Four Dimensions (https://web.descript.com/0d766354-cd02-4279-93d2-ad326f32728d/a6702?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=1589)* The Non-Commutative Revolution (https://web.descript.com/0d766354-cd02-4279-93d2-ad326f32728d/a6702?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=2071)* James Clerk Maxwell and Electromagnetic Theory (https://web.descript.com/0d766354-cd02-4279-93d2-ad326f32728d/a6702?kind=video_project&lite=false#t=2267)*
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1 month ago
33 minutes 6 seconds

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Oral History: Douglas A. Boyd explains the basics of the oldest—and newest—historical method
“Oral history is a field of study and a method of gathering, preserving, and interpreting the voices and memories of people, communities, and participants in past events.” That is the definition provided by no less an authority than the Oral History Association. And yet this brief, simple, and seemingly authoritative definition is accompanied by some ambiguity. On the one hand the Oral History Association proclaims that oral history is the oldest type of historical inquiry, stemming back to the origins of humanity itself. But on the other hand, oral history is one of the newest types of historical discipline, owing its birth to the invention of recording technology, and its rapid technological , from the introduction of magnetic tape recorders as consumer devices in 1947, to in 2025 the widespread field use of the superb digital recording studio and processor you typically refer to as your “phone”.With us to explain the basics of the discipline of Oral History is Douglas A. Boyd. He is an oral historian, archivist, folklorist, musician, author and currently Director of the Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History at the University of Kentucky. He is co-editor of Oral History and Digital Humanities: Voice, Access, Engagement (2014), producer of the documentary Kentucky Bourbon Tales: Distilling the Family Spirit, and author of Crawfish Bottom: Recovering a Lost Kentucky Community. But most recently he is the author of Oral History: A Very Short Introduction, which is the subject of our conversation today.For more show notes, and our full archive, go to the Historically Thinking SubstackChapters* 00:00:00 Introduction: Defining Oral History (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=22)* 00:01:53 The Ambiguity and Multidisciplinary Nature of Oral History (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=113)* 00:07:34 The Modern History of Oral History and Recording Technology (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=454)* 00:21:07 Early Recording Technology and the Evolution of Interviews (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=745)* 00:34:27 Oral History vs. Oral Tradition (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=1267)* 00:36:51 What Makes an Oral History Interview Different (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=2211)* 00:41:17 The First Question: Tell Me About Yourself (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=2477)* 00:47:19 Avoiding Leading Questions (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=2839)* 00:50:37 The Power of Silence and Active Listening (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=3037)* 00:54:07 The Art of Being Prepared Without Being a Know-It-All (https://web.descript.com/16de6c2f-aec5-4fb8-8067-110cba854b13/7bf3f?editorVariant=default#t=3247)*
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1 month ago
43 minutes 23 seconds

Historically Thinking
Love, War, and Diplomacy: Eric H. Cline on the Discovery of the Amarna Letters and the Bronze Age World They Revealed
“Two years and a half years ago, when coming down the Nile in a dahabiah, I stopped at . . . Tel el-Amarna. In the course of my exploration, I noticed . . . the foundations of a large building, which had just been laid bare by the natives. . . . A few months afterwards the natives, still going on with their work of disinterment, discovered among the foundations a number of clay tablets covered with characters the like of which had not previously been seen in the land of Egypt.”Those were the words of Archibald Henry Sayce, linguist, valetudinarian, and eventually first Professor of  Assyriology at the University of Oxford. What he had noticed was the uncovering of the Amarna Letters, a set of clay tablets written in cuneiform, about which Sayce–and many others–would be intensively concerned. Finding these letters was like uncovering a file cabinet in the Pharoah of Egypt’s foreign ministry, suddenly providing a set of written sources that illuminated unknown areas of the past.With me to talk about the Amarna letter is Eric H. Cline (mailto:ehcline@email.gwu.edu). He is professor of classics and anthropology at George Washington University, and author most recently of Love, War, and Diplomacy: The Discovery of the Amarna Letters and the Bronze Age World They Revealed. This is his third appearance on the podcast.For this episode's show notes, and other resources, go to the Historically Thinking SubstackChapter Outline* Introduction & Discovery of the Amarna Letters (00:00)* Illicit Excavations & Context (04:45)* The Translation Race (14:52)* The World of the Letters: Great Kings & Diplomacy (29:00)* Local Rulers & Conflicts (43:08)* Social Network Analysis (51:57)* Modern Relevance & Conclusion (57:41)
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1 month ago
31 minutes 32 seconds

Historically Thinking
War and Power: Phillips Payson O’Brien on Who Wins Wars and Why
For at least two centuries, ideas of international relations and grand strategy have been premised on the notion of “great powers.” These were mighty states uniquely able to exert their influence through overwhelming military force. In the words of friend of the podcast Leopold von Ranke, a great power was one who could “maintain itself against all others, even when they are united”—but my guest, Phillips Payson O’Brien, argues that this definition is ahistorical nonsense.Indeed “great power” he says, has always been a tautology. Nor has it been helpful or accurate to focus who has the biggest armies. And dreaming of decisive battle has blinded us to what truly determines victory: the capacity to mobilize and sustain industrial power, logistics, technology, and global reach.In his new book War and Power: Who Wins Wars and Why, O’Brien dismantles some popular myths of military and diplomatic history and replaces them with a far more dynamic picture—one that redefines how states fight, how they win, and how we should understand power itself in the twenty-first century.For this episode's show notes, and other resources, go to the Historically Thinking SubstackChapters & Timestamps* 00:28 – Introduction: Challenging the Great Power Myth* 03:25 – The Persistence of Short War Myths* 08:22 – The Political Nature of Warfare* 14:06 – Power Rightly Understood: Economic and Technological Strength* 20:59 – Society, Structure, and the British-American Power Transition* 27:36 – Constructing and Regenerating Military Forces* 46:16 – The Importance of Strong Alliances* 39:23 – Understanding War: Beyond Battles and Single Weapons* 45:16 – Human Elements: Leadership, Training, and Morale* 49:54 – Technological Adaptation: From WWI Aircraft to Modern Drones* 57:30 – Applied History and the Problem of Transparency* 57:52 – Outro / Credits
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2 months ago
29 minutes 15 seconds

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Bloody Crowns: Michael Livingston on Two Hundred Years of War, Power, and Transformation
The young King was determined to strike. His throne and power had been taken from him; now he would seize them both back. Now his chosen men entered the castle where he was a virtual prisoner, under the watchful eyes of his mother and her lover. Joining them, he led their rush to the Queen Mother’s apartments. There they seized those who had prevented Edward III from truly ruling as King of England. Those dramatic events–which occurred in Nottingham Castle, of all places–are just one of many that occur in Michael Livingston’s new book, Bloody Crowns: A New History of the Hundred Year’s War. From the origins of the great conflict between France and England, to the last bitter acts, Livingston weaves the story of how not just those two powers but all Europe was riven by a war that last not just for a hundred years, but for two full centuries of war from 1292 to 1492.Michael Livingston is Citadel Distinguished Professor at The Citadel and the author of many books on medieval military history. The former secretary-general for the US Commission on Military History, he lives in Charleston, South Carolina.For more information, see the show notes for this episode on Historically Thinking Substack page.* Defining the 200 Years War: 1292 to 1492 (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=114)* Cantering Through 200 Years (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=923)* Scotland: The Enemy in the Rear (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=1891)* Doctrine and the Birth of Standing Armies (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=2118)* The Forgotten Naval War (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=2243)* Anarchy, Free Companies, and Peasant Revolts (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=2894)* The Longbow: Myth vs. Reality (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=3036)* The Papacy and Religious Schism (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=3401)* The Myth of the Decisive Battle (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=3596)* Generational Conflict and Modern Parallels (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=3765)* Conclusion (https://web.descript.com/c74513c5-5616-4d96-a0d3-e03c117d0717/YOUR_EPISODE_URL?t=4104)
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2 months ago
34 minutes 32 seconds

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Wolfpack: Roger Moorhouse on the view from inside of Hitler's U-Boat war
During the Second World War Germany’s submarines sank over three thousand Allied ships, that figure amounting to nearly three-quarters of Allied shipping losses in all theaters of the war. What would become a war within a war began in the very first days after September 1, 1939. This war–particularly the contest which has become known as the Battle of the Atlantic–has been the focus of numerous studies and arguments. But until now, little has been said about the undersea war from the perspective of the German submariners.Roger Moorhouse has now remedied that with his new book Wolfpack: Inside Hitler’s U-boat War. It is not simply a story of the undersea war, but a history of those who fought it; who endured the miserable conditions within a German U-Boat, had only a 25% chance of survival, and when they did survive often were psychologically scarred for the remainder of their lives.Roger Moorhouse is a historian of the Second World War. The author of numerous books, his most recent was The Forgers: The Forgotten Story of the Holocaust’s Most Audacious Rescue Operation, which we discussed in a conversation of November 6, 2023. For more information, including to resources mentioned in the conversation, go to our Substack page, at www.historicallythinking.org
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2 months ago
34 minutes 57 seconds

Historically Thinking
Republic and Empire: Andrew O’Shaughnessy on the global causes and consequences of the American Revolution
At the outbreak of the American Revolution, the British Empire stretched across nearly every corner of the globe. From India to the Caribbean, from Africa to Gibraltar to the Canadian provinces, Britain’s reach was vast. In 1776, the thirteen colonies that chose to rebel represented only half of the empire’s provinces. The other half—places like Quebec, Nova Scotia, Jamaica, and Bermuda—remained loyal to the Crown. But why? Why did some colonists believe their grievances justified independence, while others–who were often similarly aggrieved–chose not to revolt?To answer this, Trevor Burnard and Andrew Jackson O’Shaughnessy invite us to see the Revolution not just as a national story of the United States, but as part of a larger imperial crisis that spanned the globe. Britain’s challenge was to govern an array of distant, diverse territories during a period of reform and unrest. Turning our attention to colonies that stayed within the empire, we gain a more complex perspective. The Revolution was not only about republicanism, liberty, and democracy; it was also about empire, and the different ways colonial societies and elites responded to imperial governance.For show notes and other material, go to https://www.historicallythinking.org/p/republic-and-empire?r=257pn6; and subscribe to the Historically Thinking Substack at www.historicallythinking.org
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2 months ago
30 minutes 13 seconds

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The Age of Hitler, and How We Shall Survive It
In online debates, it’s almost inevitable that sooner or later someone invokes Hitler or the Nazis. That tendency, known as Godwin’s Law, has proven itself on social media thousands of times a day. But the persistence of this comparison points to something deeper than just the cheapening of argument. It reflects how much Hitler and the struggle against Nazism have become the ultimate reference point in our culture’s moral imagination.In this conversation, historian Alec Ryrie explains why we live in what he calls “the Age of Hitler.” For nearly eighty years, he argues, our moral consensus has been defined not by traditional religious frameworks but by the lessons drawn from World War II and the Holocaust. In our stories and our politics, from Star Wars to Harry Potter, the fight against Hitler continues to serve as the archetype of good versus evil. Yet Ryrie warns that this consensus is beginning to erode: both Left and Right are showing signs of moving on. What happens when Hitler no longer defines our common moral language? And what might replace it?For more resources, go to this episode's Substack page: https://www.historicallythinking.org/p/the-age-of-hitler-and-how-we-will?r=257pn6
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2 months ago
27 minutes 39 seconds

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1942: Peter Fritzsche on the year when war engulfed the world
In this episode of Historically Thinking, host Al Zambone speaks with historian Peter Fritzsche about his book "1942: When World War II Engulfed the Globe." The conversation explores how 1942 marked the transformation of regional conflicts into a truly global war, examining the unprecedented scale and movement of the conflict, the suffering and displacement of millions, and the ideological forces at play in every one of the warring powers. Key topics include the Holocaust, anti-colonial movements, industrial mobilization, and how the memory of World War II has been shaped by the specter of World War III.* 00:00 — Introduction: 1942 as a Pivotal Year* 05:16 — Movement and Kinetic Energy in 1942* 07:54 — The Scale of World War II: Numbers Beyond Comprehension* 08:55 — Pearl Harbor and the Five Decisive Days* 12:28 — Hitler's Declaration of War on the United States* 15:09 — American Industrial Mobilization* 17:42 — Japanese Military Strategy and Pearl Harbor* 19:29 — Japanese American Internment* 22:34 — The Global Theater of War and Radio* 26:31 — The Fall of Singapore and Anti-Colonial Movements* 31:51 — Cross-Cutting Forces: India's Complex Independence Struggle* 33:55 — Trotzdem: Hitler's Ideology of Total War* 35:48 — 1942: The Year of the Holocaust* 39:52 — Ideological Coherence in World War II Armies* 43:17 — The Importance of Mail in Maintaining Morale* 46:11 — Richmond, California: The Second Gold Rush* 48:08 — The Philippines: Between Two Empires* 50:32 — Ukraine: Caught Between Empires* 53:56 — How World War III Obscured World War II
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3 months ago
27 minutes 40 seconds

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Fuji: Andrew Bernstein on the human history of the ever-changing mountain
Mount Fuji is at once instantly familiar and seemingly immutable, yet it always remains strange and changeable. Its postcard-perfect peak is known around the world as a wonder of nature and a symbol of Japan. But behind that outline lies a far more complicated history.Over the centuries, Fuji’s eruptions devastated farmland and terrified villagers. Revered as a sacred presence, its divine inhabitants changed with shifts in belief and power. Once locally known, Fuji later became claimed as a national emblem, its slopes inspiring poetry, painting, and pilgrimage—and serving as the stage for political and economic disputes.In Fuji: A Mountain in the Making (Princeton, 2025), Andrew Bernstein traces this layered story from the mountain’s surprisingly recent geological beginnings to its recognition as a World Heritage Site. The result is a portrait of a place both familiar and unsettled: a mountain still in the making, continually remade by the humans who live with it, use it, revere it, and visit it.For show notes and more, go to the Historically Thinking Substack page for this episode.
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3 months ago
28 minutes 36 seconds

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Cold War Analogies: Francis J. Gavin on how (and how not) to use the Cold War as a guide
We reach for the Cold War as if it were a really good pocket tool: compact, familiar, ready to deal with any problem in today’s world. U.S.–China rivalry? “Cold War 2.0.” Russia and the West? “Cold War redux.” The appeal is obvious: the Cold War offers a story we already know how to tell—great-power tension, nuclear standoff, ideological blocs, and finally, a tidy ending.But as Francis J. Gavin argues, analogies always smuggle in assumptions. To label something a “new Cold War” is to commit to a whole strategic script: decades of rivalry, fixed blocs, and an expectation of how the story ends. But what if the conditions that defined the 20th-century Cold War—its nuclear stability, its institutions, even its duration—don’t apply now? And what if these words “Cold War”that you use do not mean what I mean by the words “Cold War”?Francis J. Gavin is the Giovanni Agnelli Distinguished Professor  (https://sais.jhu.edu/kissinger/people/gavin)and Director of the Henry A. Kissinger Center for Global Affairs at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). He is the author of Nuclear Statecraft: History and Strategy in America’s Atomic Age and Thinking Historically: A Guide for Policymakers.For notes, links, and a vast archive, go to www.historicallythinking.org
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3 months ago
30 minutes 47 seconds

Historically Thinking
Prague: The Heart of Europe
IntroductionEach year millions of tourists visit the Czech capital, awed by its blend of architectural styles and dramatic landscape. St. Vitus’s Gothic cathedral towers above the Charles Bridge and the Vltava River, while winding alleys lead to elegant squares lined with Renaissance palaces, Baroque statues, and modern glass structures. Yet this beauty obscures centuries of conflict — ethnic, religious, political, and more typically mundane conflicts— beginning when Prague was just a fort on a hill above a river. Presumably it wasn’t built there for the view.In her new book, Prague: The Heart of Europe, Cynthia Paces traces the city’s history from the late ninth century, when Slavic dukes built the first fortifications and church, through eleven centuries of triumph and tragedy. Prague has been both an imperial center of a great empire and a city on the periphery of empires—several of them. It became a European capital of art, politics, and pilgrimage, endured religious wars and defenestrations, and was nearly destroyed in the Thirty Years’ War. At the beginning of the twentieth century it was celebrated as a beacon of democracy, only for its citizens to endure violent antisemitism, Nazi occupation, and communist repression — before once again becoming a beacon of democracy.Through her story of Prague we come to understand the truth of Franz Kafka’s observation: “Prague does not let go; this little mother has claws.” Our conversation moves across centuries of wars, saints, emperors, rebellions, and revolutions to show why Prague still grips the imagination.About the GuestCynthia Paces is Professor of History at The College of New Jersey. She is the author of Prague Panoramas: National Memory and Sacred Space in the Twentieth Century and co-editor of 1989: The End of the Twentieth Century.For Further Investigation* Cynthia Paces, Prague: The Heart of Europe (Oxford University Press, 2025)* —Prague Panoramas: National Memory and Sacred Space in the Twentieth Century (University of Pittsburgh Press, 2009)* Chad Bryant, Prague in Black: Nazi Rule and Czech Nationalism (Harvard University Press, 2007)* Derek Sayer, Prague, Capital of the Twentieth Century: A Surrealist History (Princeton University Press, 2013)* Related Episodes“Edges are Interesting: A History of Eastern Europe” (https://www.historicallythinking.org/p/episode-149-edges-are-interesting-40d?r=257pn6)“City of Light, City of Darkness” (https://www.historicallythinking.org/p/episode-360-city-of-light-city-of-ee1?r=257pn6)“Madrid” (https://www.historicallythinking.org/p/episode-380-madrid-5b9?r=257pn6)Listen & DiscussHow does Prague’s geography help explain its importance across European history?What does the Prague Spring reveal about the continuing interplay in Prague’s history of freedom, repression, and resilience?
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3 months ago
38 minutes 4 seconds

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Thinking Historically: Francis J. Gavin on What History Can Do for Policymakers...and the Rest of Us
It might seem obvious that the study of history ought to  improve the crafting of public policy. Surely if we understand the past, we should be able to make better decisions in the present—especially in the high-stakes worlds of statecraft and strategy. But that assumption raises deeper questions: How should history be used? What history should be used? How do we gain the kind of historical knowledge that truly shapes decisions? And why is it that historians and policymakers so rarely speak the same language?In his new book Thinking Historically: A Guide to Statecraft and Strategy, my guest Francis J. Gavin argues that a genuinely historical sensibility can illuminate the complex, often confusing realities of the present. Good historical work, he writes, does not offer easy analogies or tidy morals. Instead, it captures the challenges and uncertainties faced by decision-makers, complicates our assumptions, forces us to see the familiar in new ways, and invites us to understand others on their own terms without abandoning moral judgment. Thinking historically, Gavin shows, is a discipline of discernment, curiosity, and humility—qualities as necessary in statecraft as they are in life.Francis J. Gavin is the Giovanni Agnelli Distinguished Professor and director of the Henry A. Kissinger Center for Global Affairs at Johns Hopkins SAIS. He is also the author of Gold, Dollars, and Power; Nuclear Weapons and American Grand Strategy; and The Taming of Scarcity and the Problems of Plenty.Go to www.historicallythinking.org for more
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4 months ago
30 minutes 8 seconds

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Jews vs. Rome: Two Centuries (or More!) of Rebellion Against the World's Mightiest Empire, with Barry Strauss
In 1960 Yigael Yadin, formerly chief of the Israeli general staff and by that year a prize winning archaeologist, visited the home of Israel’s president David Ben-Gurion, and said to him “Mr. President, I have the honor to tell you that we have discovered 15 dispatches written or dictated by the last president of ancient Israel over 1800 years ago.” Yadin was announcing the discovery of a collection of scrolls written by Simon Bar-Kosiba, better known as Bar-Kohkba, who had led the Second Jewish Revolt against Rome, from 132 to 135 AD. Bar-Kochba was an inspiration to Israelis in the founding generation of the Republic of Israel who otherwise detested each other politically, finding in him a common source of inspiration for their own struggle. His is one of the many legacies of the series of revolts by the Jews against their Roman rulers, but not close to being the most consequential. For among the many unintended consequences of the wars of Rome against the Jews was not only the creation of the Talmud and modern Judaism, but the simultaneous growth of Christianity. With me to talk about these momentous events is Barry Strauss. He is the Corliss Page Dean Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University as well as the Bryce and Edith M. Bowmar Professor in Humanistic Studies Emeritus at Cornell University, where he was formerly Chair of the Department of History as well as Professor of History and Classics. A prolific author, his most recent book is Jews vs Rome: Two Centuries of Rebellion Against the Worlds Mightiest Empire. This is his fourth appearance on Historically Thinking. For Further Investigation* Barry Strauss' most recent appearance on the podcast (https://www.historicallythinking.org/p/episode-256-the-war-that-made-the-4fb?r=257pn6)was to discuss "The War That Made the Roman Empire". He also contributed
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4 months ago
30 minutes 32 seconds

Historically Thinking
Amanda Roper, Public Historian
Amanda Roper (https://www.amandahroper.com/) is a public historian who has spent her career working to preserve historic places and share traditionally underrepresented stories from America's past. She has been Director of the Lee-Fendall House Museum and Sr. Manager of Public Programs & Interpretation at Woodlawn & Pope-Leighey House (https://woodlawnpopeleighey.org/), both in Alexandria, Virginia. In 2018, Amanda was recognized by the National Trust for Historic Preservation on their list of 40 Under 40: People Saving Places (https://savingplaces.org/40-under-40) for her significant impact on historic preservation and her contributions to the public's understanding of why places matter. Amanda is currently researching and writing a book about the history of women in preservation. She is a 2025-2026 Research Fellow at the George Washington Presidential Library at Mount Vernon (https://www.mountvernon.org/library). And, she also has been listening to Historically Thinking for a surprisingly long time–or so she claims.For Further Investigation * Amanda Roper – Official Website (https://www.amandahroper.com/)* Lee-Fendall House Museum & Garden (https://www.leefendallhouse.org/)* Woodlawn & Pope-Leighey House (https://woodlawnpopeleighey.org/)* McLeod Plantation Historic Site (https://ccprc.com/1447/McLeod-Plantation-Historic-Site)* Gullah Geechee Cultural Heritage Corridor (https://gullahgeecheecorridor.org/)* National Trust for Historic Preservation – 40 Under 40 (https://savingplaces.org/40-under-40)* George Washington Presidential Library at Mount Vernon (https://www.mountvernon.org/library)* Society for American Archivists – Women’s History Resources (https://www2.archivists.org/groups/womens-collections-section)* National Association for Interpretation (https://www.interpnet.com/)* Richard Moe, "Are There Too Many House Museums?" (https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/247/article/905761/summary)* "Resource or burden? Historic house museums confront the 21st century" (https://ncph.org/history-at-work/resource-or-burden/)* "Historic House Museums: 'A quirky, dusty, and endangered American institution"? (https://ohiolha.org/best-practices/historic-house-museums/)* Amanda Roper, "There is No Such Thing as Too Many Historic House Museums" (https://amandahroper.com/writing/hhms/)
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4 months ago
30 minutes 46 seconds

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The Ramos Gin Fizz: A New Orleans Liquid History, with John Shelton Reed
Join Al Zambone and guest John Shelton Reed (author of The Ramos Gin Fizz, for the LSU Press series on iconic New Orleans cocktails (https://lsupress.org/search-grid/?series=iconic-new-orleans-cocktails)) for a deep dive into the history, culture, and legend of the Ramos Gin Fizz—a cocktail that’s as much a symbol of New Orleans as it is a drink. From its 19th-century origins and the city’s cosmopolitan mix, to Prohibition, Huey Long, and the modern cocktail renaissance, this episode explores how a single drink can carry the weight of place and time.* 00:00 — Podcast intro* 00:23 — Welcome and guest introduction* 02:35 — The Ramos Gin Fizz: A New Orleans Legend (episode setup)* 02:35 — Origins and pronunciation of “Ramos”* 05:56 — Carl Ramos’s biography and 19th-century mobility* 05:56 — New Orleans in the late 19th century* 05:56 — Cosmopolitan city, Caribbean and European connections* 08:56 — Cultural divisions in New Orleans* 10:55 — German immigration and Civil War era* 11:06 — Rise of celebrity bartenders and cocktail culture* 13:18 — New Orleans’ iconic cocktails* 16:22 — The Ramos Gin Fizz recipe and its components* 17:45 — Al’s first attempt at the drink* 19:30 — The “shaker boys” and the three-minute shake* 21:00 — Flavor profile and chemistry* 29:29 — Fame, Prohibition, and Huey Long* 38:23 — Southern soft drinks and temperance* 44:48 — Where to find the perfect Ramos Gin Fizz today* 46:46 — Closing thoughts and thanksFor Further Investigation * John Shelton Reed, Dixie Bohemia: A French Quarter Circle in the 1920s* "How the South Cornered the Soda Market" (https://www.seriouseats.com/southern-soda-history-coke-dr-pepper-atlanta-prohibition)* The Sazerac Bar at the Roosevelt Hotel (https://therooseveltneworleans.com/media/ecwnns0f/sazeracbarwebmenu-2-1.pdf)* Revel Cafe and Bar (https://revelcafeandbar.com)– where Chris McMillian spells it "Ramos Gin Phizz", which just makes everything a little more confusing than it already was
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4 months ago
23 minutes 47 seconds

Historically Thinking
We believe that when people think historically, they are engaging in a disciplined way of thinking about the world and its past. We believe it gives thinkers a knack for recognizing nonsense; and that it cultivates not only intellectual curiosity and rigor, but also intellectual humility. Join Al Zambone, author of Daniel Morgan: A Revolutionary Life, as he talks with historians and other professionals who cultivate the craft of historical thinking.