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Humans in the Loop
Seb Agertoft
7 episodes
2 days ago
A podcast for thoughtful technologists. Seb Agertoft - Coach to tech company founders and leadership teams - interviews founders, technologists, artists, investors, thought leaders and policymakers wrestling with the tough questions at the forefront of emergent tech like AI, quantum computing, renewable energy, web3, blockchain, robotics and autonomous vehicles. Not just can we build it, but how to build tech with human interests at heart.
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A podcast for thoughtful technologists. Seb Agertoft - Coach to tech company founders and leadership teams - interviews founders, technologists, artists, investors, thought leaders and policymakers wrestling with the tough questions at the forefront of emergent tech like AI, quantum computing, renewable energy, web3, blockchain, robotics and autonomous vehicles. Not just can we build it, but how to build tech with human interests at heart.
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Humans in the Loop
The Soft Technologies of Democracy with Ed Gillespie

Ed has spent his career thinking systemically about the future and consulting with governments and corporations on topics as varied as the environment, politics, healthcare and education.


He's also the co-host of hit podcast 'Jon Richardson and the Futurenauts' alongside comedian Jon Richardson and fellow Futurenaut Mark Stevenson.


Given Ed's varied expertise I wasn't quite sure where this conversation would go, but I needn't have worried. What unfolded was a great chat about climate, politics, and the soft technologies of technology that we need to make better use of to solve our toughest problems.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Ed's Work

04:22 The Role of a Futurist

07:17 Asking the Right Questions

10:23 The Politicization of Climate Change

13:12 The Transition to Renewable Energy

16:01 Motivations Behind Climate Action

18:57 The Economic Case for Renewables

22:01 The Challenge of Unburnable Carbon

25:17 Exploring Economic Models: Degrowth vs. Abundance

29:59 Grassroots Perspectives on Climate Action

34:43 Bystander Leadership: The Call for Courage

40:20 Finding Hope Amidst Challenges

46:41 Envisioning a Future of Bio-Regionalism

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2 weeks ago
50 minutes 57 seconds

Humans in the Loop
Creative courage in big tech with Ben Lehnert, fmr design leader Microsoft and SAP

Benedikt Lehnert is former design leader at Microsoft and Chief Design Officer at SAP. He's had a seat at the top table in big tech and brings his own clear-eyed perspective based on that experience.I really enjoyed the conversation with Ben as we discussed the role of the designer in this current moment, the moral responsibilities of building business and technology, the hype cycles and weird incentives at play with the AI hyperscalers, and Ben's view that we should simply focus on adding more than we take.


Chapters

00:00 The Evolution of a Designer

05:38 Navigating the Startup Journey

10:03 Transforming Microsoft: A Design Perspective

14:45 The Role of Chief Design Officer at SAP

20:14 Shifting Focus: From Big Tech to Teaching and Ethics

30:07 The Human Condition in Technology

38:35 AI and Humanistic Considerations

43:17 Learning from Poets and Thinkers

58:37 A Hopeful Vision for the Future

Ben hosts the Poets and Thinkers podcast and you can find out more about him here: https://benediktlehnert.github.io/

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1 month ago
1 hour 2 minutes 1 second

Humans in the Loop
Talking to animals with Kate Armstrong

Summary

In this conversation, I speak to Kate Armstrong, the Executive Director of InterSpecies Internet, about the latest advancements in how we communicate with animals through technology.


Kate emphasizes the importance of planetary kinship and the responsibility humans have as advanced toolmakers to create beneficial tools for other species.


The discussion also touches on real-world applications of interspecies communication, the complexities of wild animal communication, and the need for legal frameworks to protect animal rights. Throughout the conversation, Kate shares insights into the future of this field and the resources available for those interested in learning more.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Interspecies Internet

03:47 The Journey to Interspecies Communication

06:59 The Origin Story of Interspecies Internet

11:21 Understanding Interspecies Communication

14:19 The Importance of Interspecies Communication

17:17 Technological Applications in Interspecies Communication

19:52 Frontiers of Interspecies Communication

22:50 The Role of AI in Animal Communication

25:40 Exploring Communication Across Species

28:24 Anthropocentrism in Animal Communication

30:39 The Magic of Interspecies Communication

32:11 Domestic Animals as Communication Pioneers

36:18 Ethical Considerations in Animal Communication

38:45 Nature Rights and Legal Frameworks

44:53 The Future of Interspecies Communication


Resources:

https://www.interspecies.io/

TED talk


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1 month ago
53 minutes 53 seconds

Humans in the Loop
Rewiring Democracy with Godfather of Cybersecurity and public interest technologist, Bruce Schneier

This episode features an OG in the world of internet security, the Godfather of Cybersecurity, Bruce Schneier.Bruce describes himself as a public interest technologist, and has done many things under that banner - run companies, lectured at Harvard, testified before Congress, authored over a dozen books, and written a blog for over 20 years that has more than 250k regular readers - to name just a few.Key topics:- The need for better technical minds in policy making- The implications of AI for democracy (not as bleak as you might expect - Bruce’s new book Rewiring Democracy goes deep on the emerging implications and he remains largely optimistic)- Why the internet was not designed with security in mind- Why prompt injection makes AI applications inherently insecure for high stakes tasks- Threat modelling for personal security in an age of geopoliticsChapters00:00 What Bruce actually does03:58 The Journey to Becoming a Public Interest Technologist 06:54 Understanding Cybersecurity and the Internet Today 09:36 Advice for Online Safety and Security 12:39 The Role of Governments in Data Privacy 15:41 Geopolitical Implications of Cybersecurity 18:35 Cyber-Physical Systems and Their Risks 21:49 The Impact of AI on Cybersecurity 24:27 Rewiring Democracy in the Age of Technology 30:08 The Evolving Landscape of Cybersecurity and AI 32:21 Understanding Prompt Injection Vulnerabilities 36:30 The Internet's Security Flaws and Historical Context 39:25 Capitalism's Role in Cybersecurity Failures 46:11 Skepticism Towards Web3 and Blockchain 48:37 Rewiring Democracy for the Information Age 55:27 Trust, Power, and the Future of AI in GovernanceYou can find bruce at www.schneier.com

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2 months ago
57 minutes 45 seconds

Humans in the Loop
Tara Fung, Founder CO:CREATE - Life on the Frontier. Booms, busts & pivots

This episode features Tara Fung, co-founder of CO:CREATE - a digital platform for tattooing.

Tara and her co-founder raised $25m in seed funding from A16z at the height of the NFT hype with a technical vision for how to scale that ecosystem, but ultimately ran into hard times as the market for NFTs collapsed.

What followed was a journey into the unknown, seeking ways to successfully pivot the company into something they could build and scale.

Tattoos aren’t necessarily the first thing that spring to mind when you think of vc-backed businesses, but Tara’s own experience of getting tattooed served as a point of inspiration for CO:CREATE, coupled with a willingness to explore beyond the typical playbooks.


Key topics:

  • Facing uncertainty as a Founder
  • Supportive investors
  • Pivoting your company
  • Being sober about the nature of the startup game
  • Trust online


Chapters

00:00 The Evolution of CO:CREATE

12:57 Navigating the Fundraising Landscape

19:04 Navigating Investor Relationships and Pivots

23:48 Motivation and Purpose in Entrepreneurship

30:00 Finding Clarity in Direction and Focus

32:16 Breaking the Playbook: A New Approach to Entrepreneurship

34:23 The Future of Trust in a Distrustful World

38:17 Navigating Attention and Discovery in the Digital Age

42:12 Ethics and Technology: Balancing Business with Societal Impact

43:00 Exploring Trust, Ethics, and Technology

45:29 Empowering Artists in the Tattoo Industry

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2 months ago
46 minutes 38 seconds

Humans in the Loop
Granola AI Co-founder Sam Stephenson on designing for AI and Human Agency

This episode features Sam Stephenson, co-founder of ⁠Granola⁠ - one of the standout UK success stories in AI product building.

Sam and I discussed his background as a designer, his journey to becoming a founder, the trajectory of the company so far, and shares his thoughts on designing for human agency and the future of work.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Granola and Its Purpose

02:33 Sam's Background and Design Journey

05:19 Influences from Communal Living

09:36 The Origin of Granola and Co-founder Dynamics

12:01 The Messy Process of Finding the Right Project

16:12 Simplicity in Product Design

19:11 Growth Trajectory and User Experience

21:45 Balancing Short-term and Long-term Goals

24:12 Navigating AI Development Challenges

26:50 Balancing Innovation and Practicality in AI

29:16 The Pressure of Rapid Growth in AI Startups

32:43 The Future of Work with AI Assistance

36:51 Reducing Coordination Complexity in Organizations

38:28 The Human Element in AI Interactions

41:01 Agency and Control in the Age of AI

43:31 Envisioning a High-Leverage Future with AI

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3 months ago
44 minutes 51 seconds

Humans in the Loop
Artist founders and figuring out what AI is really for

In this conversation, I speak to William Morgan and Sylvan Rackham, the Co-Founders of Restless Egg, an incubator for Artist Founders, about the intersection of art, technology, and innovation.

They discuss the concept of the 'artist founder', the challenges faced by creative technologists, and the need for a supportive infrastructure to foster their ideas. The conversation explores the role of institutions, funding sources, and the future of technology, particularly in relation to AI. They emphasize the importance of agency in technology and the potential for artist founders to create meaningful experiences that go beyond mere productivity enhancements.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Restless Egg

01:21 Artist founders

04:18 Discovering the Community of Creators

10:10 Key Players in the Artist Founder Ecosystem

14:37 The Role of Philosophy and Technology

20:31 Bridging Art and Technology

25:32 Defining the Artist Founder

28:24 The Future of AI and Experience

29:20 The Role of Artist Founders in E-commerce

32:41 Funding the Creative Frontier

36:58 The Shift in Investment Perspectives

41:03 The Future of Technology and Agency

44:29 AI: Tool or Evolutionary Break?

51:45 The Playful Nature of Innovation

58:59 Empowering Agency Through Technology


Where you can hear more from William and Sylvan

www.restlessegg.com

William's substack


Some of the organisations mentioned:

  • Antikythera
  • Restless Egg
  • Strelka
  • Medialab


Some of the people mentioned:

  • Benjamin Bratton
  • Refik Anadol
  • Daisy Ginsberg
  • Ian Cheng


Other resources referenced:

  • Sam Altman blog post about ideas people
  • My post about Creative Outsiders
  • A piece written by friend and collaborator, Danya Shults
  • An artificial history of natural intelligence
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5 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes 9 seconds

Humans in the Loop
A podcast for thoughtful technologists. Seb Agertoft - Coach to tech company founders and leadership teams - interviews founders, technologists, artists, investors, thought leaders and policymakers wrestling with the tough questions at the forefront of emergent tech like AI, quantum computing, renewable energy, web3, blockchain, robotics and autonomous vehicles. Not just can we build it, but how to build tech with human interests at heart.