In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with neuroinclusion expert and therapist Pasha Marlowe for a powerful conversation about what true inclusion really looks like. Together, they unpack late-in-life neurodivergent discovery, challenge limiting societal norms, and explore how leaders can build workplaces that honor all minds and bodies. Pasha shares actionable insights on expanding the definition of neurodivergence, navigating opposing needs, and rethinking labels that often restrict rather than support. This heartfelt discussion also weaves in Aaron’s lived experiences parenting his daughter, offering a grounded reminder that inclusion is both deeply personal and always possible.
Key Takeaways:
Expanded Neurodivergence – Neurodivergence extends far beyond ADHD and autism, encompassing any way of thinking or functioning that diverges from societal norms.
Needs Over Labels – Leaders should focus on people’s needs, not diagnoses, to create psychologically safe and inclusive environments.
Opposing Needs Exist – Inclusion requires navigating conflicting sensory and accessibility needs with creativity, flexibility, and respect.
Systems Must Shift – Language, testing, and assumptions often pathologize people unnecessarily, and these systems need to be challenged.
Awareness Creates Change – Personal exposure often opens people’s eyes to barriers; staying curious and questioning norms is key to inclusion.
Pasha Marlowe’s definition of inclusion:
Inclusion is the active practice of welcoming and involving all minds and bodies, ensuring everyone is part of the conversations and decisions that impact them.
Pasha Marlowe’s Bio:
I believe people thrive when they feel safe, respected, and valued at work and home.
My favorite work is exploring the intersections of neurodiversity, culture, & leadership.
I am a therapist, coach, speaker, author, mother to 3 amazing humans, and an avid world traveler.
With over 30 years of experience working with teams and clients with a diversity of marginalized identities, I highly value inclusive and affirming cultures.
I believe real change happens through conversation, curiosity, and connection. When relationships are rooted in respect, people feel safe to show up fully at work and home.
I’m a heart-led leader and self-proclaimed soft skills “softy,” known for blending evidence-based insight with storytelling, humor, and a deep understanding of relational intelligence.
My work is grounded, human, and often delightfully outside the box.
Connect with Pasha Marlowe:
Website: https://pashamarlowe.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pasha.marlowe
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neuroqueercoach/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pashamarlowe/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@neuroqueercoach
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PashaMarlowe
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