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Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
Phillip Hayes, Jason Miller & Makenzie Wirth
237 episodes
19 hours ago
Season 7 begins with a simple truth: change is inevitable, but being unprepared is optional. In this opening monologue, Jason introduces Continuity Through Change and outlines what this season will explore: leadership under motion, foundations that hold through transition, and the often-ignored emotional mechanics behind ownership decisions.
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Season 7 begins with a simple truth: change is inevitable, but being unprepared is optional. In this opening monologue, Jason introduces Continuity Through Change and outlines what this season will explore: leadership under motion, foundations that hold through transition, and the often-ignored emotional mechanics behind ownership decisions.
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Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP1 - Continuity Through Change.
Season 7 begins with a simple truth: change is inevitable, but being unprepared is optional. In this opening monologue, Jason introduces Continuity Through Change and outlines what this season will explore: leadership under motion, foundations that hold through transition, and the often-ignored emotional mechanics behind ownership decisions.
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20 hours ago
6 minutes

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP38 - Interview with Danny Massey of Expanding ESOP
In this episode of the Journey to an ESOP podcast, Jason sits down with Danny Massey, Head of Strategy and Communications for Expanding ESOPs--a national coalition working to dramatically broaden employee ownership across the United States. Danny shares how he became involved in the ESOP world, and the conversation dives into the powerful benefits of employee ownership, why it matters now more than ever, and how expanding access can create lasting impact for workers and businesses alike.
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1 week ago
38 minutes

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP37 - The Gift of an ESOP
In this holiday episode, Jason and Makenzie explore the ESOP as a meaningful gift to a company’s employees. They break down how ESOP benefits work for both owners and employees and unpack the mechanics behind inside notes versus outside notes. This episode is a helpful resource in understanding ESOP verbiage and the real benefits that employees receive through a company transitioning to an ESOP.
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2 weeks ago
36 minutes

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP36 - Ghosts of ESOPs Past, Present, and Future
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie let three “ESOP ghosts” guide us through the employee-ownership journey. They revisit the origins of your ESOP, take a candid look at how things stand today, and discuss how to intentionally choose its future. They highlight how the decisions, habits, and culture shape long-term ESOP success.
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3 weeks ago
40 minutes

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP35 - Speaking into the Gap. Ownership Identity, Capability, and the Leader’s Voice
In this episode, the Journey to an ESOP podcast speaks directly to founders who feel the weight of leadership and wonder how their team will successfully shift into an ESOP model. Through a blend of personal story and practical insight, Jason explores how identity, encouragement, and intentional leadership can help bridge that gap and prepare both leaders and teams for a confident, sustainable ESOP transition.
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1 month ago
19 minutes

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP34 - Feasibility is not Just a Math Exercise!
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie dive into the real purpose of ESOP feasibility and why it’s far more than just another spreadsheet. They break down what “feasibility” truly means in an ESOP transaction and walk through the key factors companies should evaluate, from existing debt to entity structure (S-corp vs. C-corp) to long-term sustainability. They also dig into how feasibility helps determine whether an ESOP will genuinely benefit the company, the owners, and the employees.
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1 month ago
35 minutes

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EP33 - Common Myths Associated with ESOP Transactions
In this 15-minute episode, Jason and Makenzie take on some of the biggest misconceptions that keep companies from exploring an ESOP. They break down why ESOPs aren’t the overly complicated, out-of-reach structures many assume they are and why owners don’t suddenly lose control the moment they sell. They also dig into the fear that employees won’t understand the benefits of an ESOPs hurt bonding capacity or borrowing power, and the belief that only large companies can afford them.
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1 month ago
18 minutes

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EP32 - Strategic Planning for the New Year
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie dive into the essentials of budgeting, forecasting, and planning for the year ahead. They break down what to focus on in preparation for the new year. The discussion explores the difference between budgeting and forecasting, how to interpret historical performance, and how to use your numbers to set purposeful goals that drive growth. This episode provides practical insight on how to plan effectively and set your company up for a strong, successful year.
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1 month ago
1 hour

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP31 - Assurance in Action: What It Means for Your ESOP Journey
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie have a conversation around the meaning and relevance of assurance in the context of an M&A transaction and more specifically in an ESOP transaction. They discuss who needs assurance and why - whether it be in the form of a financial statement audit, surety bond, fairness opinion, or simply advice from your providers.
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2 months ago
47 minutes

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EP30 - ESOPs as a Growth Strategy- Interview with Chris Fredericks
For the final episode of the Employee Ownership Month series, Jason interviews with Chris Fredericks, President and CEO of Empowered Ventures. Jason and Chris both discuss the power of employee ownership and how it can help expand a business, attract talent, and build more resilient companies. Their conversation highlights company growth, finding competitive advantage through a company's culture, and why employee ownership continues to matter in an AI world. This episode is the last part of t...
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2 months ago
40 minutes

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EP29 - A View from the Inside: Interview with Kimberly McCourtney of the NCEO
In this episode we explore what life is really like for leadership after a company becomes employee owned. Guest Kimberly McCourtney, former HR Executive of an ESOP company and currently the Peer Networking Manager at NCEO, shares her firsthand experience navigating the cultural and organizational shifts that follow the transition. Together, we discuss how leadership roles evolve when everyone has a stake, what an “ownership mindset” looks like in day-to-day operations, and why transparency a...
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2 months ago
42 minutes

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EP28 - Owner’s Voices
In this episode. Makenzie interviews leaders from five diverse ESOP companies as they share their paths to employee ownership. Each organization offers a unique perspective on the transition process, the challenges and opportunities along the way, and the lasting impact ownership has had on their culture and performance.
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2 months ago
24 minutes

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EP27 - What is Employee Ownership: Interview with Corey Rosen of the NCEO
In this episode, Jason interviews Corey Rosen of the National Center for Employee Ownership. Corey tells Jason a story to unpack what employee ownership really looks like – the hopes, the doubts, and the decisions that define the first step of the journey. The episode is designed as an educational resource to make the concept of employee ownership approachable – simple, clear, and human. If you’ve ever wondered as an owner how to move from curiosity to confidence, this is a great place to sta...
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2 months ago
55 minutes

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EP26 - Employee Ownership Month Special Announcement
In this podcast episode, Jason announces a special release schedule for Employee Ownership Month. For the month of October, the podcast will feature special guests, educational resources, and ESOP insights. Be sure to return each Friday for the next installment!
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3 months ago
4 minutes

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EP25 - The Language of ESOPs
In this episode, Jason tells a campfire story to illustrate the learning process of the ‘ESOP language’ and its importance on your Journey to an ESOP and Beyond. He discusses the importance of language in communication, highlighting its role in conveying ideas and facilitating collaboration.
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3 months ago
29 minutes

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EP24 - Accounting for Leveraged ESOP Transactions
In this episode, Makenzie breaks down a leveraged ESOP transaction and the resulting impacts to a company's financial statements. This episode highlights the journal entries required for a simplified, leveraged ESOP transaction in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles including common mistakes to avoid.
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3 months ago
19 minutes

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EP23 - Makenzie Wirth Interview-Journey to an ESOP Newest Team Member!
On this episode, Jason Miller interviews Makenzie Wirth, the newest member of our Journey to an ESOP team. From a career in public accounting to her current role in ESOP advisory, Makenzie discusses her journey in learning about employee ownership over the last several months. The podcast highlights her fresh perspective on ESOPs and employee ownership and includes a sneak peak of what she will bring to the podcast in future episodes.
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3 months ago
29 minutes

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP22 - Astrophysics & ESOPs: A Natural Fit
In this episode Jason flies a little too close to the sun when discussing the impact of a company’s structure on its ability to harness the power of employee engagement. The discussion covered how employee engagement impacts business success, with comparisons to different types of civilizations and their energy usage, including the idea of harnessing this energy effectively. Overall, this is episode provides recommendations for improving employee engagement levels within companies, emphasizin...
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4 months ago
31 minutes

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EP21 - Industry Spotlight: Creative Agencies – The Fraction Collective
In this episode, Jason Miller interviews Miriam Agrell and Kavita Vora from The Fraction Collective. Throughout the conversation, they highlight different ways that creative agencies and ESOPs intersect. The group discusses the reality of succession planning and how ESOPs are an attractive option for business owners who are looking for an exit strategy.
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4 months ago
52 minutes

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
EP20 - Where Do I Begin?
In this podcast episode, Jason discusses the best ways to approach succession planning. He focuses on tackling succession with intention and covers common obstacles that stand in the way of owners achieving their vision for a successful ownership transition.
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4 months ago
17 minutes

Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
Season 7 begins with a simple truth: change is inevitable, but being unprepared is optional. In this opening monologue, Jason introduces Continuity Through Change and outlines what this season will explore: leadership under motion, foundations that hold through transition, and the often-ignored emotional mechanics behind ownership decisions.