In this podcast episode, we explore how people can receive practical guidance from God in their everyday work. Bill Job shares that he first noticed unexpected ideas coming to him and later found biblical examples, such as God giving detailed instructions for the tabernacle. He describes experiences in manufacturing, where creative solutions “just appeared” and significantly improved efficiency.
Bill believes these ideas are not self-generated but received. Other inventors he knows have also recognized that their innovations came through inspiration rather than personal genius. Bill explains that these insights often come when a person is relaxed, worshiping, or just waking up, when the mind is open. The key is a childlike, trusting relationship with God—working together rather than striving or feeling alone.
In this podcast, Gea and Bill speak with John Cobb, who is the founder of an engineering software company serving U.S. auto dealerships. Passionate about cars and technology, he describes himself as a “visionary Christian technology entrepreneur.”
John shares how worldly success had left him empty. He transitioned from a 'religious' Christian to a follower of Christ and how that affects his daily working life. He emphasizes “functionally abiding” in the Lord—inviting God into daily operations, praying with his team, and valuing people over profit. This shift, both the hosts and John agree, is a lifelong process of transformation through Christ.
Briefly, John reflects on his participation in the training Kingdom Mindsets for Business, as he joined one of the cohorts Gea and Bill are leading. You can find more info about the training on this page >>
In this episode, Bill shares his experience of facing life-threatening danger while starting a business in China. He hired a man he trusted from a Bible study, only to discover this person had a dangerous past and threatened his family.
This experience reshaped his understanding of discipleship: it’s not just teaching Scripture but modeling obedience, including loving enemies. Bill illustrates this through the “tag team” image, where God fights alongside us. By blessing those who harm us, we release them into God’s hands, gaining freedom and spiritual growth.
Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business. Gea and Bill developed a 10-week training program to empower business leaders and professionals to partner with God at work. The training includes six online sessions in a small cohort, to facilitate interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. Look at our site www.bammoves.com. Mail Gea when you're interested >> geagort@gmail.com
Stephanie and Armando Rojas shifted from traditional missions to business-driven impact in Africa. In the last episode, they shared how they initially aimed for missional NGO work in Somalia, but felt guided to a more strategic approach, exploring business opportunities to create sustainable change.
They chose Ethiopia for its entrepreneurial ecosystem, spent two years praying and preparing. Meanwhile, they started businesses in Costa Rica to fund their mission. Overcoming the $85,000 startup requirements in Ethiopia, as well as legal hurdles and bureaucracy, they relied on faith, persistence, and flexibility.
Stephanie became the first foreign female architect registered locally in Ethiopia. Their story shows how God can use personal skills in unexpected ways to serve His kingdom.
You can learn more about the 10-week online Kingdom Mindsets for Business training, including six online sessions with Bill and Gea. Please visit this page on the site of BAM Moves >>
Tune in to Stephany and Armando Rojas' journey. In this first episode with this couple from Costa Rica, they share their backgrounds as pastors' kids and how God disrupted their missionary plans when they were missionaries in Somalia. Gently asking them to lay down their dreams, and to consider a more strategic approach: faith-driven business.
'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' training
Gea and Bill developed a 10-week training program, including six online sessions in a small cohort, to facilitate interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. Look at our site www.bammoves.com. Mail Gea when you're interested >> geagort@gmail.com
In this podcast, Eric van Otten encourages listeners to act in faith on the opportunities God places in their hearts. Eric is a Dutch baker who runs a multi-generational bakery with 140 employees, producing natural, additive-free bread. He loves sharing Jesus' love with the people he meets through his business, and this love also inspires him to impact communities globally. He helped establish bakeries in needy areas in various countries and created the “BakeTainer”—a mobile bakery designed for challenging environments like refugee camps or war zones. By combining a sustainable business model with practical solutions such as solar panels and water purification, these units empower local entrepreneurship and foster community growth. You can find more on the page of the foundation, The Breadhouse.
A thought-provoking exchange between business leader Bill Job and prophet Sander Wuister about the role of prophecy in business. Sander regularly prays for businesses and (business)leaders. Bill shares his experiences in this area and why he decided to have a prophet as a business consultant on the payroll. Listen to this revealing talk about the pitfalls and benefits. Bill and Sander also encourage us to develop this gift in our own lives, as a loving Father likes to give us insight and revelation. This episode is a rerun and was first released in August 2023.
Sander Wuister holds a PhD in chemistry, has held a leading position in a business setting, and developed his prophetic gifting in the meantime. He is now a full-time prophet, runs a School of Prophecy (in Dutch) and wrote a book 'Woorden van Leven'. See www.woordenvanleven.nl
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Do Christians make good employees? "Some are excellent," shares Bill Job from experience, "But many business owners share with me that Christians can be lousy workers." Why is this? Bill and Gea discuss the meaning of grace and some worldviews that hinder us from experiencing our job as a spiritual experience and an assignment under the Lord's guidance.
September 3rd, 2025: next start of cohort 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' training
Gea and Bill developed a 10-week training program, including six online sessions in a small cohort, to facilitate interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. Look at our site www.bammoves.com. Mail Gea when you're interested >> geagort@gmail.com
In this episode, the discussion explores the integration of worship and spiritual practices into business, emphasizing that aligning with God in business can lead to improved problem-solving and greater peace, even amid challenges.
Bill and Gea talk with Pauline Skeates, a therapist and researcher from New Zealand who developed Insight Focused neuroTherapy (IFnT). IFnT focuses on creating a safe environment, both internally and externally, to open individuals to new experiences and insights.
September 3rd, 2025: start of new cohort 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business'
Gea and Bill developed a 10-week training program, including six online sessions in a small cohort, to facilitate interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. More info: www.bammoves.com.
This episode examines the importance of place in Business as Mission, as people may be led to specific locations by God for His purposes.
Gea and Bill share personal stories of discovering God's calling through their experiences in different places, and discuss practical ways to embrace and love a city or place, understanding its history, culture, and needs.
They emphasize the concept of "thin places" where God's presence seems near. Listeners are encouraged to seek these thin places in their areas that welcome God's presence and to explore deeper theological insights through resources like Gea's book, "God in the City: A Missional Way of Life in an Urban Context".
In this podcast, Bill and Gea talk with serial entrepreneur Emmie van Halder. Emmie shares her life's journey of blending business and faith. Over the past ten years, faith and work have become inseparable for her, but this integration wasn't always the case.
In her youth, she joined Youth With A Mission (YWAM), but upon returning to her home country, the Netherlands, she didn't feel at home in a church. Meanwhile, her focus shifted to entrepreneurship, and she founded multiple startups. Her business life thrived, and she lost her connection to Christianity. A pivotal moment came when an investment banker, who was also a pastor, invited her to church, leading to a life-changing return to faith in 2013.
She found a church fellowship and connected with other Kingdom-minded businesspeople. She became a board member of Business as Mission (BAM) Netherlands, and she is investing in (BAM) start-ups, especially those with a focus on Africa. For Emmie, faith and work are now inseparable, and she encourages others to trust God’s guidance in all aspects of life.
Kitty and Bill Job share their journey of starting a business in China, initially expecting to be traditional missionaries but instead becoming involved in a business venture. The couple discusses their various roles in the company, the impact of prayer, and how their business has become an excellent way to integrate with ministry.
They both highlight the importance of faith, flexibility, and prayer throughout their journey. Bill expresses deep gratitude for Kitty's support, acknowledging that without her, their success in China would not have been possible.
Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business
Gea and Bill developed a 10-week training, including 6 online sessions in a small cohort to allow for interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. Look at our site www.bammoves.com Mail us when you're interested > info@bammoves.com
In this episode, Bill and Gea discuss thriving in the face of adversity. Bill shares how he saw God's faithfullness while running a company in China, but not all situations ended successfully. Like the closure of a factory due to an unexpected economic downturn and the emotional difficulty it caused among employees.
Bill emphasizes that thriving amid adversity is about shifting focus from personal success to seeing God's role as the true hero. He encourages listeners to start small, ask God for help in everyday situations, and build a history of faith that strengthens over time. With enough experience, challenges become opportunities to witness God's faithfulness.
Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business
Gea and Bill developed a 10-week training, including 6 online sessions in a small cohort to allow for interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. Look at our site www.bammoves.com. Mail us when you're interested > info@bammoves.com
In this episode Gea and Bill talk with Walter aan de Wiel, a Dutch entrepreneur who co-founded SEVI, a business providing stock financing to small shops in Kenya and other developing countries. These small shops, often no larger than a square meter, struggle with the lack of credit and must pay upfront for their stock. Sevi allows them to purchase on credit, benefiting from bulk discounts and deliveries, which improves their efficiency and profitability.
Walter blends technology with personal relationships, leveraging local salespeople to build trust with shop owners before introducing them to Sevi's platform. The business model has been successful in reducing default rates and offering ethical, low-interest loans, as opposed to informal and unjust lending systems.
Walter's entrepreneurial journey was influenced by a prophecy about working in Africa, leading him to study and work in countries like Kenya and Kosovo. Despite setbacks like COVID-19, Sevi grew rapidly after 2021. Walter emphasizes the importance of faith, perseverance, and an open mind to new opportunities, even in challenging times.
In this episode, Michiel shares his journey of how his first love was reignited—his relationship with God and a renewed sense of purpose. Having once built a business rooted in faith but ultimately burning out, Michiel speaks candidly about the challenges of maintaining spiritual clarity amid the pressures of entrepreneurship.
A turning point came for him at the Business as Mission (BAM) Congress, where an encounter awakened his calling toward business in the Middle East, particularly Iraq.
If you want to contact Michiel, please email info@bammoves.com, and we will connect you.
Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business
You are invited to join the May 2025 cohort and follow the ten-week online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' hosted by Bill and Gea. The start will be May 14th, 2025. More about the content of the training, see BAM Moves >
In this episode, Matt Wagner continues to share his experiences of integrating ministry and business. Building on his previous story, he elaborates on his journey as a business and church leader.
Matt refers to the five-fold ministry model, which links the church’s structure to the human body, and how the five gifts from Ephesians 4—apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, and evangelists—are essential for a healthy church. This framework also applies to business, where Matt and Bill see a similar need for the various gifts to function within companies.
Matt shares how these principles can lead to a more significant impact when business leaders and pastors collaborate, moving away from competition and towards mutual support for God's kingdom. Both Bill and Matt advocate for a servant-leader mindset, where both pastors and business leaders work together in humility, focusing on shared goals and mutual respect, instead of ego. Matt and Gea refer to the global ministry SEAPC as an example where they have seen this modeled. The conversation ends with an optimistic view on the growing shift towards integrating faith into daily work life, with increasing momentum worldwide.
Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business
You are invited to join the May 2025 cohort and follow the ten-weeks online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' hosted by Bill and Gea. Two different cohorts will start on May 14th, 2025. For more info about the difference between the two cohorts and the content of the training, see BAM Moves >
Matt Wagner believes that the future of ministry involves blending the realms of church and business to fulfill God’s calling in new and transformative ways. He shares his journey of learning to embrace both his talents in church leadership and business entrepreneurship.
Matt felt a calling to plant churches early in life, but church planting proved financially difficult, leading him to venture into business. He started a roofing company, which grew rapidly. Eventually, he expanded into custom home building.
It was a busy life, and he felt the disconnect between the church and the business world. Yet he felt God wouldn’t let him stop the business and grew in his conviction that God doesn’t want a divide between church and business. Instead that they should join hands in building God’s Kingdom. In the next episode with Matt, he will address some of the things needed for this to happen.
Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business
Join the May cohort and follow the ten-weeks online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' hosted by Bill and Gea! Two different cohorts will start on May 14th, 2025. For more info about the difference between the two cohorts and more about the content of the training, see BAM Moves >
Hana is a business owner in Iraq. He has a desire to create networks of Christian entrepreneurs in his home country, and to develop projects that provide jobs and support ministries. In this podcast he shares his journey into business.
Hana was raised in a Catholic family and experienced a profound transformation when he was eighteen years old. He started his business in 2018 after working for many years in non-profits. His journey from employee to business owner was challenging, particularly due to his internal struggle with transitioning from the non-profit to for-profit mindset. Over time, he realized the value of business in serving society, especially through job creation, and shifted his perspective on the role of business in God's kingdom.
His company, which focuses on consulting and business development, now employs 12 people. He experienced changed lives in his company, and emphasizes the importance of providing job opportunities and how businesses can serve the community. Therefore, one of his goals is to open a hotel, provide job opportunities, and fund other projects.
If you'd like to come into contact with Hana, mail: geagort@gmail.com
Hana’s story highlights how God’s involvement in business can bring transformation, and he shares his personal experiences of seeking God for direction and embracing faith in every step.
Join the May or April cohort and follow the online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' hosted by Bill and Gea! Two different cohorts will start with the ten-week online training in May and April. For more info about these cohorts and training, see BAM Moves >
Bill recounts a journey of entrepreneurial resilience amidst adversity, starting with a small business venture in China. Despite challenges like political tensions and losing his first business partner, he persisted. Through faith and innovation, he diversified into stained glass and later pioneered collectible villages.
Each setback, like losing a major client, only spurred creative solutions and spiritual growth. Bill emphasizes relying on God's guidance and maintaining a humble, inclusive workplace culture, empowering unexpected leaders.
His story illustrates how faith and business intertwine, urging listeners to see challenges as opportunities for spiritual and professional growth, fostering a unique kingdom-oriented approach in business practices.
Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business
The 10-week online training with six sessions hosted by Bill and Gea starts three times a year: in February, May and September. The material is based on Bill's experiences on the workfloor. You are warmly invited to join others from around the globe; to seek together in a small group how to merge faith and work. More info: BAM Moves.
This episode with Bill Job encourages listeners to embrace a childlike attitude, characterized by trust, openness to learning, and a playful approach to challenges, which can lead to deeper spiritual growth and connection with God.
Bill shares his journey of recognizing the limitations of his own knowledge and the need for intellectual humility. He describes a moment when God revealed to him the idea of having categories for understanding scripture, like wooden mailboxes. Without these categories, certain teachings and ideas would not make sense. Bill reflects on how this realization led to a shift in his thinking, encouraging him to be open to new perspectives and to embrace the learning process.
The discussion also touches on the importance of childlike faith and trust in God, as well as the courage to try new things without overthinking them. Bill uses the metaphor of a child learning through experience rather than academic study, emphasizing that spiritual growth often comes through action and trust. The conversation highlights the value of being willing to take risks, even if they seem silly or unconventional, as part of growing in faith and experiencing the fullness of life that God offers.
Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business
The 10-week online training with six sessions hosted by Bill and Gea starts three times a year: in February, May and September. The material is based on Bill's experiences on the workfloor. You are warmly invited to join others from around the globe; to seek together in a small group how to merge faith and work. More info: BAM Moves.