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Synopsis: Fifty years ago, forward-thinking workers at a UK military contractor came together and drew up a plan to keep their jobs and use their skills in a different way. The result was the history-making Lucas Plan. Learn more in this full uncut conversation with Hilary Wainwright who is featured in our special report- The Lucas Plan at 50: A Radical Investment in Society, Not the War Machine [available in the podcast feed]. We need a Lucas Plan today!
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Description [original release date July 2025]: Military budgets are skyrocketing across the globe, while funding for social needs—housing, healthcare, education—is being slashed. Politicians often justify this skewed spending by claiming it creates jobs. But what if the people doing those jobs had a say in how public money was used?
Fifty years ago, workers at Lucas Aerospace, a U.K. military contractor, designed a visionary proposal known as the Lucas Plan: a worker-led alternative focused on socially useful production rather than weapons of war.
In our special report [available in this podcast feed], The Lucas Plan at 50: A Radical Investment in Society, Not the War Machine, Laura spoke with Hilary Wainwright, Co-Author of The Lucas Plan: A New Trade Unionism in the Making? And Co-Editor of Red Pepper magazine. Hilary is one of the voices behind that groundbreaking effort.
What follows is the full, uncut conversation with Hilary—rich with lessons for today’s movements for climate justice, peace, and economic democracy.
Guest: Hilary Wainwright: Co-Author, The Lucas Plan: A New Trade Unionism in the Making?; Co-Editor Red Pepper magazine
ADDITIONAL CREW: Stanley Arlidge - Episode Producer Clementine Malpas, Tiger Nest Films - UK Thumbnail photo courtesy of The Plan That Came From The Bottom Up/LX Filmes
SPECIAL THANKS: Karen Bell Joe Guinan Steve Schofield
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