One of the most effective, and biblical, strategies for growing something is to focus on people over processes, profits, and even our own preferences. Pastors John and Wayne discuss the power of a people-first mentality and how to grow in this area of leadership. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Starting things is fun and exciting, but real leadership is tested when it's time to end something. How do you know when to end a team, product, program or ministry? Pastors John and Wayne discuss practical strategies for knowing when to keep going and when to cut it off. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

In this mailbag episode, John and Wayne answer questions from listeners like: leadership blindspots in young pastors, what to do about AI, weekly schedule ideas, and more. Send in a question for next month's mailbag episode by emailing parker@leadershipinblackandwhite.com or by DM'ing us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

At the end of the day, every pastor wants their church to grow - not just to have a big church - but to reach the people in their community, to serve a city, to do something significant for God. And while there is no exact formula for growing a church, there are certainly things that may be hindering your growth that you might be missing. In this episode, Pastors John and Wayne discuss 10 reasons your church might not be growing right now. Follow the show on Instagram here: @leadershipinblackandwhite. The background check service referenced in this episode is called Protect My Ministry.

Part two of a conversation talking with our friend and colleague Jonathan Wilson about all things longevity. He has been in ministry for 40 years and has experienced numerous highs and lows, transitions, and more. This is a rich conversation for any leader looking to be in the game for the long haul! Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

In this episode, we're talking with our friend and colleague Jonathan Wilson about all things longevity. He has been in ministry for 40 years and has experienced numerous highs and lows, transitions, and more. This is a rich, 2-part conversation for any leader looking to be in the game for the long haul! Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Part 2 of a conversation about sabbaticals: Pastor Wayne has returned from his first ever sabbatical! In this episode, we talk about it. What did he do? What did he learn? We also talk in depth about what a sabbatical is and what it is not and how we have started to implement a sabbatical culture in our church. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Pastor Wayne has returned from his first ever sabbatical! In this episode, we talk about it. What did he do? What did he learn? We also talk in depth about what a sabbatical is and what it is not and how we have started to implement a sabbatical culture in our church. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

In this mailbag episode, John and Wayne answers questions from listeners like: leading team members who don't get along, speaking on hot-button issues, understanding the Bible, and more. Send in a question for next month's mailbag episode by emailing parker@leadershipinblackandwhite.com or by DM'ing us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Leading a team isn't just about vision and execution, it's about people. And people are complex. In this episode, we're unpacking the hardest parts of leading staff. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Not everyone is called to lead from the front, but every great leader needs someone strong at their side. In this episode, we're talking about what makes a great 2nd chair leader and how to thrive in a role that's essential but often overlooked. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Sometimes in leadership, we hit a ceiling - not because of our circumstances, but because of our capacity. The question isn't whether you're leading, it's whether you're still growing. In this episode, we're talking about how to raise your personal leadership capacity, push past plateaus, and keep expanding your influence for the long haul. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

In this mailbag episode, John and Wayne answers questions from listeners like: guarding against comparison, leading people you don't connect with personally, making room for the Holy Spirit without scaring new people in church, and more. Send in a question for next month's mailbag episode by emailing parker@leadershipinblackandwhite.com or by DM'ing us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Every leader loves a loyal team member—but what happens when loyalty isn’t matched by performance? On the flip side, what do you do with someone who produces results but struggles with alignment or attitude? In this episode, we’re diving into the tension between staff loyalty and staff performance—how to evaluate both, what matters most in different seasons, and how to build a team that’s both committed and effective. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

There comes a point in leadership when you realize—you’re not the youngest anymore. In fact, sometimes you’re the oldest voice at the table. In this episode, we’re talking about what it looks like to keep showing up, keep leading strong, and keep growing, even when the room around you is getting younger. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Sometimes we're placed in a leadership position and asked to lead people who may be much older and much more experienced than us. In this episode, Pastors John and Wayne discuss practical tips for leading older generations effectively. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

As your kids get older, your parenting must shift. In this episode, Pastors John and Wayne, along with their wives Leslie and Classy, talk about how to parent teenagers and adult children. They focus on topics like keeping communication open, how discipline changes, navigating their children making their own decisions, and more. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

One of the greatest tests of our leadership is leading our children. In this episode, Pastors John and Wayne are joined by their wives - Leslie and Classy. They talk about parenting young children and the challenges all parents must navigate. They talk about things like handling exhaustion, introducing your kids to the things of God, staying connected as a couple in this season, and more. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

Pastors John and Wayne discuss building healthy marriages with their wives - Leslie and Classy. They talk about things like romance and fun, their spiritual life together, conflict resolution, staying emotionally connected in busy seasons, and more. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

The marriage relationship is the most important earthly relationship every Christian leader has. In this episode, John and Wayne are joined by their wives - Leslie and Classy - to discuss how to navigate ministry while keeping their marriage strong and vibrant. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!