SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Deputy Caroline Norat—a 20-year law enforcement veteran and world-class jiu-jitsu athlete who reshaped her life through discipline, consistency, and a deep love for the sport What started as a personal challenge quickly evolved into a lifestyle. Jiu-jitsu became a source of strength, confidence, and community—fueling Caroline’s success as both a decorated competitor and department instructor. Today, she helps fellow deputies build skills and resilience through hands-on training and programs that empower from the ground up. You can find Caroline on Instagram at @carloine.norat ----more---- Episode Highlights 00:00 – Two Decades of ServiceCaroline reflects on 20 years in law enforcement and how she and Lolita first met in the academy. 03:20 – Discovering Jiu-JitsuHow a coworker’s suggestion led her to walk into a Redlands academy—and why the energy, community, and art of the sport instantly drew her in. 07:45 – Technique Over StrengthCaroline breaks down the humbling early lessons of jiu-jitsu, letting go of ego, and learning that skill and patience matter far more than size or strength. 12:10 – The First Big WinHer first major competition at white belt, the preparation behind it, and the moment she realized she had truly earned her place on the podium. 22:50 – How Training Built ConfidenceThe physical and mental shifts she experienced as her training became consistent, structured, and goal-driven. 27:40 – Bringing Jiu-Jitsu to the DepartmentHow Caroline helped launch a POST-certified jiu-jitsu program for deputies, including women-only training opportunities to build comfort and confidence. 33:30 – Foundational Techniques for the FieldWhy every deputy should know how to fall safely, get up with stability, create space, and flow into multiple techniques depending on body type and circumstance. 39:20 – Overcoming IntimidationAdvice for deputies—especially women—who want to try jiu-jitsu but feel nervous, unsure, or intimidated by stepping onto the mat for the first time. 44:50 – Training, Family, and CommunityHow the academy has become a second family, creating a culture of support, encouragement, and shared growth. 49:10 – The Competitive MindsetCaroline explains the mental preparation behind competition: goal-setting, consistency, repetition, and trusting in muscle memory when exhaustion hits. 55:30 – The Instructor PerspectiveWhy watching her students succeed—in training and out in the field—is one of the most rewarding parts of her journey. 01:00:15 – Confidence Reduces ConflictHow the calmer, more confident you become through training, the less likely you are to need to use force in the field. 01:06:50 – The Belt JourneyFrom white belt to purple—Caroline talks about impostor syndrome, gaining comfort in fundamentals, and aspiring to earn her brown belt. 01:12:20 – A Love Story on the MatsHow jiu-jitsu introduced her to her husband, a world champion and master instructor, and how their shared discipline and passion fuel both their relationship and training. 01:18:40 – A Lifelong ArtWhy jiu-jitsu is a true lifestyle—one built on longevity, growth, and continuous learning, regardless of age or starting point.

In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Sgt. Ian “Goldie” Golditch—a Navy veteran, respected San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Sergeant, and owner of Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp—for a powerful, wide-ranging conversation on leadership, fitness, humility, and what it means to truly serve. From boot camp at age 30 to leading with empathy in uniform, Goldie shares the origin of his work ethic, how he overcomes setbacks, and why he believes physical discipline creates emotional strength. With heart and humor, he breaks down how fitness changed his life and why he refuses to lead with fear. To learn more about Goldie, follow him on Instagram at @goldieactual or at Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp   Episode Highlights: 00:00 – Intro: Who is “Goldie”?Lolita introduces Sgt. Ian Golditch and his relentless reputation for hard work and positivity. 02:15 – The Origin of DisciplineFrom Navy boot camp at 30 to toilet-cleaning pride, Goldie shares how his mindset was forged. 07:40 – Neck Injury & Course CorrectionA football injury reroutes his life—and leads him to law enforcement. 12:30 – Becoming the Sergeant He Never HadHow good and bad leaders shaped his own leadership philosophy. 19:15 – Trust, Presence & LoyaltyGoldie explains how real leadership is built through presence—not rank. 24:40 – Fitness as a MissionWhy he started Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp—and how it helps him serve even beyond the badge. 30:00 – Food Addiction, Cinnabon & DisciplineA brutally honest look at nutrition, cravings, and why it's not about being extreme—it’s about being committed. 36:10 – Peanut Butter & Jelly LeadershipCreative thinking, trust in junior deputies, and why different methods still get the job done. 42:00 – Mistakes, Grace & Letting People Fail ForwardGoldie breaks down how he creates an environment where deputies feel safe to grow and fail. 48:20 – Kids, Cadets & the Next GenerationWhy investing in new recruits—and even those not yet hired—is the foundation of the future. 54:00 – Leading with LoveWhy empathy, grace, and humility are the true marks of strength—not ego or fear. 01:00:10 – Fitness, Motivation & Getting UncomfortableBurpees, fasting, and the power of doing hard things to build a stronger life. 01:07:30 – Three Nuggets of WisdomSeeds of success, embracing the suck, and leading with your heart—even if it’s not always understood. ----more---- Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/ SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946 Follow Show Host Lolita Harper: Instagram LinkedIn

In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with renowned labor and defense attorney Michael Schwartz—one of the most respected legal advocates for law enforcement officers across California. Together, they dive deep into due process, legal misconceptions, and the challenges peace officers face in today’s rapidly shifting media landscape. Schwartz reflects on his early days as a public defender, what led him to defend law enforcement, and how his unwavering commitment to the Constitution drives his work. They also unpack the rise of politically motivated prosecutions, the dangers of rushed statements, and why having the right legal representation can make all the difference when a split-second decision is scrutinized for years to come. From officer-involved shootings to public perception, this is an unfiltered look at the legal system through the eyes of one of its fiercest defenders. To learn more about Michael Schwartz, visit: https://www.themichaelschwartzfirm.com/criminal-law/   Topics Covered: 02:30 – From Defender to DefenderSchwartz shares his journey from public defender to representing law enforcement. 06:15 – Due Process and Why It MattersHe breaks down the difference between defending the guilty vs. the innocent and the importance of forcing the government to prove its case. 11:40 – Today’s Law EnforcementDiscussion about media bias, social narratives, and the shift in public trust toward officers. 18:05 – The Realities of Use of ForceSchwartz explains the legal and practical differences in use-of-force encounters for officers. 24:00 – The Power of Perception and MisconceptionA conversation on non-compliance, misinformation, and the expectation that all force can be de-escalated. 31:10 – Legal Advice and RepresentationWhy officers must have representation immediately after a critical incident—and what not to do. 38:25 – Public Safety Statements and Legal RiskSchwartz warns against rushed or informal statements and shares real-world examples where they backfired. 45:00 – DOJ Investigations and Lack of ExperienceThe challenges of newer DOJ protocols and the risk of being scrutinized by inexperienced investigators. 52:00 – The Cost of Not CallingA case where an officer wisely withheld a statement—resulting in acquittal and a new career path. 56:30 – Trust Your AttorneyFinal advice to law enforcement: representation isn’t a threat—it’s protection. 59:00 – Closing ReflectionsLolita Harper and Schwartz discuss the future of the profession and why SEBA exists. ----more---- Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/ SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946. ----- Follow Show Host Lolita Harper: Instagram LinkedIn

In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Riverside County Sheriff—and now California gubernatorial candidate—Chad Bianco for a wide-ranging and deeply personal conversation. From his early days in undercover narcotics to leading one of California’s largest sheriff’s departments, Bianco shares why he’s trading in a “perfect job” to run for governor. With honesty, grit, and candor, he opens up about leadership, government accountability, and the cost of political apathy—both personal and statewide. Together, they explore California’s growing exodus, the waste behind the state’s homelessness crisis, and what real reform would look like in Sacramento—from repealing SB 54 to eliminating the state income tax. Whether you agree with him or not, one thing’s certain: Bianco isn’t in this for the title—he’s in it for the people.   To learn more about the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office, visit: riversidesheriff.org To learn more about Sheriff Bianco’s gubernatorial campaign, visit: biancoforgovernor.com   Topics Covered: 05:00 – From Sheriff to CandidateBianco reflects on his career, core values, and why he’s stepping up to run for governor.   14:30 – Accountability in Law Enforcement and PoliticsHow internal affairs shaped his leadership style—and why Sacramento lacks that same accountability.   25:15 – California’s Exodus and Economic CrisisA candid look at rising costs, broken infrastructure, and his bold plan to eliminate the state income tax.   35:50 – Tackling Homelessness and Government WasteWhy $24 billion later, the system is worse—and how to fix it with transparency and enforcement.   49:00 – The Role of LeadershipBianco’s philosophy on leading people, not just departments—and what Sacramento needs now.   1:02:00 – Repealing SB 54 and Protecting CommunitiesWhy sanctuary policies backfire, and how immigration reform could be both humane and effective.   1:15:00 – Campaigns, Smear Tactics, and Staying GroundedBianco addresses misinformation, attack ads, and staying true to his values in the spotlight.   1:27:00 – Passion, Grief, and the Law Enforcement MemorialAn emotional reflection on leadership during tragedy—and why that moment changed him forever.   1:41:00 – A Message to VotersHis final appeal: Why character still matters, and how he hopes to serve all Californians, not just a party.   ----more---- Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/ SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946 Follow Show Host Lolita Harper: Instagram LinkedIn

In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with San Bernardino Police Chief Darren Goodman to unpack the heated debate surrounding education mandates in law enforcement. From his unique journey through USC, Harvard, and beyond, Chief Goodman shares why a college degree shouldn’t be the golden ticket into policing—and how Sacramento’s top-down policies are missing the mark. Together, they explore the real-world consequences of a "one-size-fits-all" academic requirement, the dangers of legislating from flawed premises, and how removing life experience from the badge equation could cost communities far more than politicians realize. Learn More about the San Bernardino Police Department: https://www.sbcity.org/412/Police-Department Follow Police Chief Darren Goodman: https://x.com/SBPD_CHIEF ----more---- Topics Covered: 07:45 – Education vs. Experience in PolicingWhy checking the "degree box" isn’t a silver bullet—and how real-world experience often matters more. 11:40 – Sacramento’s Modern Policing BillA deep dive into the legislation’s origins, its flawed premise post-George Floyd, and the political virtue-signaling behind it. 18:20 – The Problem with One-Size-Fits-All MandatesHow requiring a degree could devastate recruitment, especially in underserved communities. 23:50 – Diversity Beyond Skin ColorWhy life experience, military service, and cultural familiarity matter more than classroom credentials. 28:30 – What Makes a Great CopChief Goodman’s must-haves: heart, grit, public service commitment—and why a degree can’t teach those. 33:00 – Political Disconnect in SacramentoHow state leaders are legislating in a vacuum, ignoring the people who actually keep streets safe. 38:40 – The Real Cost of Virtue SignalingPersonal stories from San Bernardino: what the community loses when good candidates are locked out by mandates. 46:10 – Recruitment, Retention, and California's ExodusWhy even military vets and seasoned professionals are leaving the profession—or the state altogether. 52:00 – Human Trafficking Hypocrisy & Misguided ReformsA brutal look at how legislation aimed at "equity" is inadvertently enabling exploitation. 57:30 – Public Involvement and Civic ActionChief Goodman’s call to action: how everyday citizens can stop reckless policymaking before it’s too late. 1:02:00 – Closing ThoughtsWhy heart will always beat a diploma—and the danger of punishing police instead of empowering them. ----more---- Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/ SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946 Follow Show Host Lolita Harper: Instagram LinkedIn

In this powerful discussion, San Bernardino County District Attorney Jason Anderson sits down with SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper to unpack the complexities of the justice system, the challenges of criminal legislation, and how law enforcement and prosecutors can work together to create safer communities. From the impact of Prop 36 to the future of crime prevention, this is a must-watch conversation for anyone invested in public safety, justice, and the rule of law.

In this Lo & Order Brief, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper dives into the ever-shifting political landscape, using Governor Gavin Newsom as a prime example of why politicians can’t always be trusted. Once a vocal supporter of defunding the police, Newsom has now done a complete 180—denouncing the movement he once championed. But was he ever really on board? Lolita pulls back the curtain on Sacramento politics, exposing how elected officials often say one thing in front of the cameras while admitting something entirely different behind closed doors. As Newsom eyes a bigger national stage, his policy pivots raise a critical question: Are our leaders guided by principles, or just chasing poll numbers?

The Brief: Law enforcement has faced years of political weaponization, leaving officers caught in the crossfire of partisan agendas. We're making this message in response to recent press inquiries about preemptive pardons and their impact on law enforcement. The hypocrisy is exhausting—leaders who once defunded and disrespected police are now pretending to champion law enforcement, using us as a political weapon to attack their opponents. This isn’t about taking sides; it’s about standing up for the men and women who serve with integrity and asking for the respect they deserve. Stop using law enforcement as a political tool—our profession and communities deserve better ----more---- Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/ SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946 Follow Show Host Lolita Harper: Instagram LinkedIn

On this episode of Lo and Order, we talk to Valerie Vaca, the widow of Sergeant Dominic Vaca. She shares her powerful story of love, loss, and resilience after Dominic was killed in the line of duty on May 31, 2021.

On this episode of Lo and Order, we sit down with San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus to discuss critical topics like recruitment and retention in law enforcement, and what we like to call the ”BLTs” - beards, load-bearing vests and tattoos. This is LO AND ORDER.

On this episode of SEBA ON DEMAND, Executive Director Lolita Harper speaks to Attorney & Advocate for First Responders Nicole Castronovo about the negative impact of AB 3070 on California Peace Officers.

On this episode of SEBA ON DEMAND, Executive Director Lolita Harper speaks to former San Bernardino County Deputy Meagan McCarthy.

On this episode of SEBA ON DEMAND, Executive Director Lolita Harper talks to 2nd District Supervisor Candidate Jesse Armendarez about public safety and his mission to improve the quality of life in San Bernardino County.

On this episode of SEBA on Demand we speak to Retired San Bernardino County Sheriff's Captain and Current SEBA Member Brad Toms about life after retirement and his award-winning passion for photography.

On this episode of SEBA on Demand we speak to San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputy Todd Johnson who recently saved the life of a baby during a recent incident in Rancho Cucamonga.

On this episode of SEBA ON DEMAND, we talk to Corporal Nathan Campos who is the Public Affairs Labor and Education Liaison for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

On this episode of SEBA ON DEMAND, we talk to newly appointed San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus.

On this episode of SEBA on Demand we speak to San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputy Robert Jahn in part four of our four-part series that discusses what happens when an officer is shot in the line of duty.

On this episode of SEBA on Demand we speak to Deputy Dustin Whitson's sister, Joelie Whitson, in part three of our four-part series that discusses what happens when an officer is shot in the line of duty. The series revolves around the shooting of Deputy Dustin Whitson, who miraculously survived an attempted murder on March 23, 2021 in Hesperia.

On this episode of SEBA on Demand we speak to San Bernardino County Sheriff's Corporal Cole Raynolds in part two of our four-part series that discusses what happens when an officer is shot in the line of duty. The series revolves around the shooting of Deputy Dustin Whitson, who miraculously survived an attempted murder on March 23, 2021 in Hesperia.