*You know those conversations with your entrepreneur buddy where you’re throwing ideas around, laughing at the bad ones, and giving each other shit along the way?* That’s this podcast. Twice a week. We’re Ben and Jon — two guys who’ve been building businesses online for over a decade. We’ve been part of 8-figure companies. We’re doing it again right now. We made this for people like us: *addicted to business, can’t turn it off, don’t want to*. Most business podcasts? People are performing. They hold back. They’re worried about how it sounds. We don’t. We talk about whatever we’re obsessed with — businesses we’d buy, plays we’re seeing, questions we’re asking ourselves. *Business is simple. People are lazy.* New episodes Mondays and Wednesdays.