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Make Them Pay
Kate Kennedy
16 episodes
1 week ago
For 12 years, Kate Kennedy lived a double life - a sugar baby in secret, haunted by the shame society attaches to sex work. But when a man threatened to expose her, she flipped the script. Now, she’s reclaiming her story and challenging the stigma head-on. In this bold and unfiltered podcast, Kate sits down with sex workers from every corner of the industry to rewrite the narrative, one honest conversation at a time. Real stories. Real voices. No shame. No filter.
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For 12 years, Kate Kennedy lived a double life - a sugar baby in secret, haunted by the shame society attaches to sex work. But when a man threatened to expose her, she flipped the script. Now, she’s reclaiming her story and challenging the stigma head-on. In this bold and unfiltered podcast, Kate sits down with sex workers from every corner of the industry to rewrite the narrative, one honest conversation at a time. Real stories. Real voices. No shame. No filter.
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16. Sex Trafficked By A Loved One

TRIGGER WARNING: this episode touches on sex trafficking, domestic violence, gang violence and substance abuse


Charlie was coerced into the sex trade as a young teen - unable to escape the people who trafficked her, even after moving across the world. While this story is undeniably dark, Charlie’s ability to survive, heal, and reclaim their life is genuinely inspiring. I had the pleasure of meeting them at one of their workshops, where they helped others work through the deep shame often attached to sex work. I know everyone has something to learn from Charlie’s story, but if this does bring up sensitive themes for you - especially around exploitation, DV or coercion - please take care and listen at your own pace.

If you or anyone you know is seeking support, you can reach out to the services below..

 1800 FREEDOM (1800 3733366) 

  • Lifeline provides 24-hour crisis counselling, support groups and suicide prevention services. Call 13 11 14, text 0477 13 11 14 or chat online.
  • Suicide Call Back Service provides 24/7 support if you or someone you know is feeling suicidal. Call 1300 659 467.

    QLife provides nationwide telephone and web-based services for peer support and referral for people wanting to talk about a range of issues including sexuality, identity, gender, bodies, feelings or relationships. Call 1800 184 527.

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3 weeks ago
58 minutes 13 seconds

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15. Lily Phillips - Porn Stars Are Not Responsible For Educating Your Kids

Lily Phillips became one of the most well known Only Fans creators and controversial porn stars of our generation, after her "100 men in a day" challenge. She then went on to break a record by sleeping with 1000 men in one day. Her challenges and stunts, as well as her collaborations with Bonnie Blue, saw her take on a lot of criticism from the wider community as a bad role model for young woman - but since when were adult stars meant to be role models, and why has it fallen on them to educate kids on sex?

In this must-listen episode, Lily Phillips sits down for her deepest interview yet.

Lily opens up about why she doesn’t like being compared to Bonnie Blue, her firm belief that sex education needs to happen younger, and why she’s officially done with challenge-style content.


We dive into:

• Mental health in the adult industry

• How she feels about being labeled 'Predator'

• The importance of female friendships and how they’ve supported her career

• How to be better in bed and what most people get wrong about sex

• The effects sex work has had on her relationships

• The pressure she feels to be a positive role model for young women

• How she handles criticism on social media

• Which surgeries she’s had and her thoughts on cosmetic work

• What the men who attend her events are REALLY like.



Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

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1 month ago
55 minutes 37 seconds

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14. Sugar Daddy's, Sex Parties and Setting Boundaries

This week , I sit down with one of my best friends, Elyse - to catch up on everything I’ve learned over the last six months of Make Them Pay. We dive into the surge of women joining Seeking Arrangements and OnlyFans, the truth about sugar dating, and whether rising awareness of this industry actually helps sex workers. We also talk about setting healthy boundaries, the future of monogamy, navigating sex parties, and whether hiring an escort is the safest option when exploring a threesome. If you’re interested in modern relationships, sex work realities, online dating, or ethical non-monogamy, this episode is for you.

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1 month ago
1 hour 7 minutes 55 seconds

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13. Male Escorts - What Woman Pay For & What Men Can Learn

In this episode, I chat with professional male escort Tommy Hart for an honest and eye-opening discussion about the male escort industry, female pleasure, and the dynamics of modern relationships.

Tommy reveals why many women choose male escorts over casual dating apps, and how couples work with him to reignite intimacy and rekindle sexual chemistry in their relationships. We dive deep into the misconceptions men have about female pleasure, and what both men and women can do to enhance sexual satisfaction and emotional connection.

Tommy also shares the realities of being a male sex worker, why professionalism and boundaries are vital, and how some self-serving motives in the industry can harm clients and trust. Plus, he offers empowering insights on how women can build confidence in the bedroom and improve sexual wellness within their relationships.

If you’re interested in sex and intimacy, relationship advice, or understanding the truth about the escort industry, this is an enlightening conversation you don’t want to miss.


Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

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2 months ago
1 hour 39 seconds

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12. When Daddy Cuts You off - A Wild Ride With Alexis Mae

From the outside it looked like Alexis had the perfect Sugar Daddy, he bought her a car, house, took her overseas to buy award winning horses, she even stopped working to start her dream business - funded by him. But her dreams slowly turned into a nightmare when he went through her phone bill....


Music By Toby Young and Jacob Long

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2 months ago
56 minutes 14 seconds

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11. CALL HIM DADDY - My Sugar Daddy's perspective on why rich men pay for sex

This week’s guest is one of my favourite sugar daddies, and he’s here to help me challenge the way people see the men who pay for companionship. Too often, society feeds us the idea that they’re creepy, disrespectful, or incapable of getting a woman without paying. He gives a very honest insight into why rich men opt for paid companionship over social dating sights,

By the end of this episode, I think you’ll agree with us that this is just another myth about the sex industry.

We dive into how we met, what our arrangement looks like, and why he first turned to sex workers during his marriage. He also shares what he would say if his daughter wanted to become a sex worker, and he gives an honest warning about a common trap women should look out for before entering the industry.

I’m so grateful he was willing to come on and be this open and honest! helping me push back against the shame and stigma that still surround this work and change the representation of the men

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3 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes 46 seconds

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10. Jade Blair - The Biggest Danger in Sex Work Isn’t What You Think

This week I’m joined by Jade Blair (@jadeblairxox) - a sex worker and advocate with 9 years in the industry. From working as a private escort and in brothels to building her career on OnlyFans, Jade has seen it all. She’s volunteered with sex worker advocacy groups across Australia and in 2025 won Best Industry Advocate at the Australian Adult Industry Awards.

We talk about why normalising sex work makes the industry safer, how autism effects her work, the way male clients are just as misrepresented as the sex workers, and the controversial TikTok money counts


Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

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4 months ago
49 minutes 40 seconds

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9. Australias Most Awarded Sex Worker, Dallas Rayne

In this episode, I speak with Dallas Rayne, who has spent 16 years working across the sex industry in Australia. Dallas has done it all—strip clubs, private escort work, brothels, and even becoming one of Australia’s most famous porn stars before OnlyFans whipped out the porn industry. We dive into the taboos around sex work, how the industry has impacted her dating life and relationships, and what first inspired her to step into the world of sex work. We also touch on how she became the most awarded sex worker in Australia, holding titles such as Best Female Stripper, Best Private Escort, Best Milf, Hall of fame, Best Australian Porn Star & Alpha Female Industry Leader!

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4 months ago
46 minutes 44 seconds

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8. Debt Free Barbie - The Secret Life of a Melbourne Brothel Worker

In 2025, a full time corperate job is still not enough to afford the lifestyle most desire. 'Barbie' was tired of being broke, and wanted to see what is would be like to work part time in a brothel. She's now worked in four of Melbournes brothels, so she knows a thing or ten about red-flag and green-flag establishments, and how to stay safe in this work and in your every day sex life

Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

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5 months ago
59 minutes 22 seconds

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7. My Time as a Colorado Call Girl

10 years ago I was living a very different life, I moved back to America to be with Texas, but when I arrived, he was no where to be seen. This is when my stint as a call girl started....


Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long


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5 months ago
37 minutes 41 seconds

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6. Madonna VS The Whore; Society’s Stuggle to Accept a Nurse/Stripper.

Have you heard of the Madonna-Whore complex?

This week, we dive into the juicy duality of being both a registered nurse and a stripper - and how society still struggles to accept women who choose both. Kate is a registered nurse, as well as a pole dancer for 20 years, co-owns a pole studio, and founded Haus of GAIA, where she mentors women to reclaim their sexuality and regulate their nervous systems - all grounded in her background in trauma nursing and resuscitation education.

We talk Madonna-Whore complex, sexual expression, breaking rules, and what it really looks like to be a woman who does it all - without apology



Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long


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5 months ago
54 minutes 34 seconds

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5. $80k a month on OnlyFans - The hard work it takes to become a successful creator.

This week I sit down with Erika White, a Youtuber turned OnlyFans creator. She's only been on the site a year now and is absolutely killing it. We talk about the pressures of being an online creator, weird requests, the loneliness of content creation, how to be smart with your money, and how she decided to go for it and build the life of her dreams.


Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

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5 months ago
51 minutes 19 seconds

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4. Who's Your Daddy? Answering All Your Sugar Daddy Question

Ever wondered how to find a Sugar Daddy without getting scammed, ghosted or catfished? In this episode I'll tell you everything I've learnt the hard way from my 14 years on Seeking Arrangement. From how to build a profile that gets you the RIGHT man, setting your terms, knowing your worth and spotting red flags. I'm answering all your juicy questions, sharing my best and worst experiences and also some of yours! Whether you're new to the game or just want a sharper strategy, this episodes for you!

Music by Toby Young & Jacob Long

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6 months ago
52 minutes 17 seconds

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3. Stripper, Porn Star or Therapist?

Were back with Ellie Naughty for part 2!

Ellie has spent over a decade in the sex industry after starting at just 19. She opens up about the realities of working in porn vs. OnlyFans, the financial highs and lows, and the importance of a strong female support system that's helped her navigate the darker times in the strip club. 

Despite constant betrayals in her personal life and career, Ellie remains remarkably positive and grounded. She shares how she keeps going, what she's learned, and why community and resilience matter so much. Ellie has been incredibly kind and welcoming to me on my own journey, and I’m honoured to share this conversation with you


Music by Toby Young & Jacob Long

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6 months ago
21 minutes 24 seconds

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2. When Your Ex Sends Your Porn To Your Dad

In this episode, I sit down with Ellie Naughty, who has spent over a decade in the sex industry after starting at just 19. Ellie opens up about the realities of working in porn vs. OnlyFans, the financial highs and lows, and the importance of a strong female support system that's helped her navigate the darker times in the strip club. 

Despite constant betrayals in her personal life and career, Ellie remains remarkably positive and grounded. She shares how she keeps going, what she's learned, and why community and resilience matter so much. Ellie has been incredibly kind and welcoming to me on my own journey, and I’m honoured to share this conversation with you


Music by Toby Young & Jacob Long

Whoreable History From ‘The Oldest Profession Podcast’

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6 months ago
34 minutes 38 seconds

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1. FUCK YOU DAVID

Welcome to Episode One!

I’m sharing how I got into sugar babying, my 10-year relationship with “Texas,” and where it really led me.

This isn’t a glamorised story of fancy hotels and private jets (although they're in there) — it’s about financial freedom, exploring fantasy, and building a life on your own terms.

If you’ve ever been curious about sugar babying, or maybe you’re already in the game, then this episode is for you. I share my honest advice, hard lessons, and a few warnings I wish someone had given me.

Because yes, this industry can open doors — but there are some rooms you don't want to walk into.

Music: Toby Young & Jacob long

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6 months ago
24 minutes 22 seconds

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For 12 years, Kate Kennedy lived a double life - a sugar baby in secret, haunted by the shame society attaches to sex work. But when a man threatened to expose her, she flipped the script. Now, she’s reclaiming her story and challenging the stigma head-on. In this bold and unfiltered podcast, Kate sits down with sex workers from every corner of the industry to rewrite the narrative, one honest conversation at a time. Real stories. Real voices. No shame. No filter.