Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric break down the real cost of content teams, why agency work often disappoints, and how nearshore talent, data-driven charts, and intimate in-person events can drive far more B2B pipeline than vanity views. They walk through their content economics, research workflow, and event strategy for landing enterprise SEO. Key takeaways: Build lean B2B content teams that prioritize revenue, not just reach. Use data-driven charts and research workflows to attract high-LTV enterprise clients. Host intimate in-person events to unlock RFPs and multi-million dollar deals. Chapters:(00:00) Content costs explode to $250k (02:00) In-house content vs agencies (04:30) Data charts and research engine (06:10) Events outranking webinars for revenue (08:00) Intimate B2B executive hotel events (11:30) Speaking inside enterprise headquarters (16:00) Travel grind, jets and demand (18:40) Enterprise-focused content over vanity views (22:00) When paid talks don’t convert (28:30) Paying to speak at the right events (31:30) Executive programs and franchise deals (33:20) Find your best marketing channel

Neil and Eric break down personal brand versus corporate brand. They discuss long term relationship building, when to invest during hard cycles, and why strong teams outlast founders. Packed with insights on scaling, branding, and navigating today’s AI-shaped marketing world, this episode offers real operator perspective without the fluff. Key Takeaways • Personal brand boosts early growth but limits long term scalability • Elite executive programs pay off through deep relationships • Strong teams reduce key man risk and enable real scale Chapters (00:00) Personal brand vs corporate brand (00:22) YPO and EO executive programs (01:00) MIT EO program learnings (01:43) Jason Cohen branding insight (02:30) WP Engine brand vs founder (03:13) NP Digital brand evolution (04:07) Investing during downturns (05:02) AI impact on agencies (05:31) A16Z media strategy (06:26) Founder networks and deal flow (07:21) Can A16Z thrive without founders (08:00) Building teams that outlast founders (09:01) Early careers of Andreessen and Horowitz (10:14) Netscape and Loudcloud history (10:40) Lessons from top operators (10:52) Outro

To get ad placements on premium websites, go to https://discover.taboola.com/realize-us. In this episode Neil and Eric dive into the “millionaire vs billionaire mindset” exploring how wealth strategies evolve as fortunes climb, and why billionaires aim for monopoly power and pricing control rather than just accumulation. Key takeaways: • Millionaires build, grow and often exit. • Deca-millionaires (tens of millions) may sell or bank for the next cycle. • Billionaires find an unfair competitive advantage, build pricing power, and scale forever. Chapters: (00:00) Millionaire vs billionaire mindset (01:00) Single-digit millionaire reactions (02:00) Deca-millionaire sell mindset (03:00) Billionaire monopoly strategy (05:00) Big tech competitive advantages (07:30) Why compounding beats selling (09:20) Purpose, identity and building (11:00) Closing thoughts

In this episode, Eric and Neil break down how parody personas are becoming a secret growth engine for B2B brands. They analyze CompAI’s fictional character “Henrik Johansson,” how the account generated millions of impressions in days, and why entertainment-driven content can outperform traditional marketing. They also discuss the viral resurfacing of Peter Thiel’s 2020 email, how economic pressure shapes voter behavior, and what marketers can learn from shifting generational sentiment and online narratives. Key takeaways ● Parody accounts can drive real pipeline through high-engagement storytelling ● Viral narratives amplify brand awareness when aligned with product value ● Economic sentiment influences content performance and audience behavior TIMESTAMPS (00:00) How CompAI used a parody account to get 10M+ impressions (04:30) Why humor accelerates B2B brand awareness (08:10) Breaking down Peter Thiel’s resurfaced email (12:45) Generational economics and shifting voter behavior (17:20) Marketing lessons from viral political and cultural moments 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

In this episode, Eric and Neil dive into the battle between profitability and loyalty, why leads fuel growth, and how to innovate without being first. They reveal how to stand out in an AI-saturated landscape using proprietary data, events-driven B2B strategies, and recruiting frameworks that scale revenue. Key takeaways ● Marketing + innovation compound long-term growth ● Proprietary data and human stories beat AI content ● Role-play hiring and referrals protect your pipeline TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Drucker on marketing and innovation (03:35) Profitability vs. customer loyalty (06:12) Events-driven B2B growth strategies (15:03) Proprietary data storytelling (23:32) Recruiting frameworks that drive revenue 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

AI slop, viral posts, and why human review still matters. Neil and Eric unpack the dangers of AI-generated content that fabricates facts, the rise of “set it and forget it” marketing, and why guidelines beat hype. Timestamps (00:00) AI slop cold open (00:20) Viral post confession (01:40) Fabricated metrics risk (03:05) Unreviewed AI at work (04:55) AI stocks and valuations (06:30) AI tools vs agencies (08:10) Set clear AI guidelines (08:40) Consultants and CYA insurance (10:40) Cluey growth critique (12:20) Sticky customers over hype (13:25) Wrap up and next topics To suggest a topic, go to ⁠https://www.marketingschool.io⁠. For more content from Eric and Neil, check out Eric’s Leveling Up with Eric Siu YouTube channel and Neil’s Neil Patel YouTube channel. Connect with Us: Single Grain << Eric's ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel, @ericosiu Instagram @neilpatel, @ericosiu Drop Us a Review If You Enjoyed the Episode!

In this episode Neil and Eric discuss the resurgence of live streaming, standout marketing ideas from Capital Camp, and the power of creative event branding. They unpack key takeaways on AI-driven engagement, SMS marketing innovations like Send Blue, and lessons from top creators like Epic Gardening’s Kevin Espiritu. From faith-based business surprises to remarkable marketing examples, this episode is packed with actionable insights for marketers, founders, and creators ready to level up. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Live again after years (02:00) Capital Camp and creative branding (05:00) SMS marketing innovations and engagement hacks (07:20) Event marketing ideas and buying towns for branding (10:00) Faith-based business trends and AI-generated virality 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

In this episode, Neil and Eric unpack how ChatGPT’s upcoming ads—powered by its memory feature—are set to redefine digital marketing. They discuss OpenAI’s aggressive hiring of ex-Meta talent, a projected $25B ad revenue opportunity by 2029, and how memory-driven personalization could make every chat a conversion funnel. Discover how “Big Mario marketing” helps brands sell results, not products, and why directness is the secret to winning in both ads and business strategy. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) ChatGPT ads and memory targeting (03:11) OpenAI’s Meta hires and ad strategy (07:12) Monetizing 800M active users (13:50) Why directness wins in business (21:02) Big Mario marketing principle 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

In this episode, Neil and Eric discuss why founders and CEOs must stay hands-on across every part of their business. Drawing from Brad Jacobs’ leadership style and examples from Jensen Huang and Elon Musk, they explain how direct involvement builds clarity, culture, and control. The duo also explores the “fruit fly” mindset—why hovering everywhere can be both a strength and a weakness—and how consistent leadership visibility, like speaking at All Hands meetings, can drive alignment and motivation. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Brad Jacobs: Hands-on leadership (01:23) Founder involvement across functions (06:01) The power of All Hands visibility (08:22) Jensen Huang, Elon Musk, and QDSSA (13:45) Repeating the company vision 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

In this episode, Neil and Eric unpack the surge in corporate layoffs across UPS, Amazon, Intel, Nestle, Accenture, Ford, Novo Nordisk, Microsoft, and PwC — revealing whether AI-driven efficiencies or pandemic-era overhiring are to blame. They analyze ADP’s job report, explore how AI impacts enterprise ROI, and discuss how consulting and tech giants are retooling for the next wave of automation. Plus, surprising insights from Disney’s and Google’s latest marketing moves. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Layoff numbers across UPS, Amazon, and Intel (03:24) AI efficiency or overhiring? (06:10) Labor market trends and ADP data (10:42) AI ROI and corporate productivity (15:44) Consulting firms in an AI-driven era 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

In this episode, Neil and Eric explore the real ROI of selling online courses — from how tripwire offers drive conversions to the difference between being a “course creator” and using courses to build brand authority. They share a viral YouTube case study revealing how great packaging and craftsmanship fuel growth, discuss why going live is essential as YouTube evolves, and debunk the myths around AI SEO and “geo” optimization hype. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Why you shouldn’t give up on courses (04:11) Tripwire offers and customer acquisition (08:00) Course creation vs. community building (20:13) YouTube craftsmanship and virality (31:02) The truth about AI SEO and geo optimization 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

In this episode, Neil and Eric break down new AirOps data revealing why listicles dominate AI search and what it means for marketers. They explore how algorithmic visibility favors authority, not spam, and debate the future of AI-driven rankings, remote work performance, and pricing resilience in a shaky economy. The duo wraps up with strategies for long-term brand durability and growth. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Listicles dominate AI search (01:16) Algorithms will refine sources (07:06) Human nature fuels spam (09:53) Remote done right takes work (15:31) Playing the bigger business game 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

In this episode, Eric and Neil unpack Similarweb’s latest data showing ChatGPT’s traffic share drop from 87.1% to 74.1% as Gemini climbs to 12.9%. They explore how Google’s ecosystem fuels Gemini’s rise, why ChatGPT’s memory may improve user retention, and how expert-verified AI research enhances accuracy in complex accounting topics like NOLs. They also discuss global marketing nuance, creative risks in Japan, and why the best companies often grow slowly before compounding. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) ChatGPT vs Gemini traffic share (02:53) ChatGPT retention and memory effect (06:16) AI in accounting: NOLs and verification (15:27) Global marketing nuance and Japan risks (19:36) Why great companies grow slow before compounding 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

Hosted by Neil and Eric, this episode dives into real-world CRO workflows, using Spiralyze-style A/B test insights to guide changes, and rapid AI prototyping with Alloy.app to keep designs on-brand without endless Figma comments. We cover when to DIY vs delegate, a homepage redesign checklist, why an RFP button signals enterprise readiness, brand-search traffic realities, smarter brand-name PPC, and how to boost podcast revenue with pre-rolls and mid-rolls—all while tracking Gen Z’s shift to social-first search. Key takeaways: • AI prototyping speeds up on-brand CRO changes • Data from winning A/B tests beats opinions • Social-first search is reshaping SEO Chapters: 00:00 CRO workflow vs Figma 00:24 Spiralyze snapshots and winners 01:10 Identifying winning variations 01:39 Communicating and prototyping flow 02:01 Alloy.app natural-language edits 03:19 DIY speed vs delegation 03:45 Naming the tool: Alloy.app 04:36 Brand-safe quick homepage tweaks 05:26 Full homepage redesign plan 06:21 Fast team alignment wins 07:43 RFP button for enterprise 09:02 Brand search traffic insights 11:02 Podcast ad revenue basics 12:33 Sponsors and renewals 13:21 Single Grain brand queries 16:06 Gen Z social-first search 17:13 Smart brand-name PPC setup 17:46 Reddit reputation management 18:50 PPC churn and retention 19:44 Wrap-up and next steps

In this episode, Neil and Eric unpack how AI is transforming the job market from the ground up. They dive into worker stories from Reddit, the rise of a diamond-shaped workforce, and how hybrid strategists—those who can plan and execute—will dominate. The discussion covers McKinsey’s internal AI adoption, enterprise productivity data, AGI timelines, and the dangers of “AI slop” flooding workplaces. You’ll learn how AI drives profit without mass layoffs, where it truly adds ROI in marketing, and how to adapt to stay ahead. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) AI is reshaping jobs (02:30) The diamond-shaped workforce (08:10) The AI bubble and funding trends (12:00) McKinsey’s internal AI use (18:30) The AI slop problem and leader playbook 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

In this episode, Eric and Neil reveal the right way to speak at conferences for lasting impact. They share actionable tips on crafting talks that resonate, connecting with attendees beyond the stage, and why building relationships matters more than just delivering a speech. Plus, they discuss how top SEO influencers approach community, and unpack their enterprise content strategies, showing that listening to customers drives real results. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) The right way to speak at conferences (04:00) Why post-talk networking is crucial for impact (08:00) Lessons from top SEO influencers and YouTube strategy (14:00) Building a data-driven content team (18:00) Navigating slow lead periods in agency life 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS   Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial   Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel   FREE RESOURCES   Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe   Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/   Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/  

In this episode, Eric and Neil discuss why the penalty for "average" has never been more severe and how leveraging AI can dramatically increase efficiency and margins. They share firsthand hiring insights from agency giants, reveal lead and MQL trends, and explain why only 1% of companies truly benefit from AI. Plus, they debate the real impact of AI on agency growth, value-based pricing, and what it takes to close bigger B2B contracts. Tune in for hard data, actionable takeaways, and advice for adapting your skills in the changing landscape. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Why “average” is getting penalized in the AI era (08:40) Lead and MQL trends: what the downturn means (18:15) Agency giants on adapting (or failing) with AI (28:50) Does AI actually drive more revenue for agencies? (41:30) Rethinking value-based pricing in B2B contracts 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS   Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial   Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel   FREE RESOURCES   Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe   Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/   Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/  

In this episode, Eric and Neil reflect on what they wish they’d done differently in their 2024 marketing strategies. They share candid lessons on outbound marketing, messaging pivots, and collaboration tactics that brought real results. Learn why doubling down on outbound email, revising your messaging early, and leveraging webinars, influencer partnerships, and podcasts can significantly impact growth. Plus, hear about the opportunities they missed—and how you can avoid the same mistakes. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) What we wish we’d doubled down on in 2024 (06:30) The outbound process: gift cards, subdomains, and deliverability (14:00) Messaging mistakes and shifting to search everywhere optimization (20:00) Influence partners, paid speaking, and why collaboration matters (27:00) Why missed opportunities fuel next year’s marketing strategy 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

In this episode, Eric and Neil debate the future of SEO terminology, covering GEO, AI SEO, AEO, and Search Everywhere Optimization. They reveal why client language trumps industry jargon, unpack insights from recent conferences, and share the real drivers of visibility across platforms like YouTube, Reddit, and Google. Hear lessons on adapting to client needs, optimizing for relevance, and why wasting marketing budgets on the wrong audiences is a costly mistake. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) GEO vs. AEO vs. AI SEO: why client language wins (06:30) How platforms like YouTube and Reddit define search relevance (13:00) Lessons from failing and succeeding with podcasts (19:20) Why pointless billboards are a money pit (25:00) The challenge of driving change in large organizations 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

In this episode, Eric and Neil dive into the intersection of high-performance leadership and AI-driven marketing. They unpack the “Nobody cares, just coach” mindset, how elite teams bring solutions not complaints, and why systems should evolve like an F1 pit crew. The duo also explore lower middle market private equity lessons, AI-powered SDRs, and how AEO and AI agents are redefining SEO careers. This is a practical playbook for agency owners, marketers, and operators who lead through change. Key Takeaways ● Leadership mantra: nobody cares, just execute ● AEO and AI SEO demand rapid adaptation ● A-players + AI outperform average teams Timestamps (00:00) Nobody cares—just do the job (03:40) F1 pit crew systems and team upgrades (08:30) PE time horizons and owner decisions (12:30) AI SDRs vs human SDRs (13:40) AEO and AI SEO evolution 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/