Navigating the mess to find opportunities. In a messy world, leadership doesn’t come with a roadmap — it comes with questions, courage, and relentless purpose. In this rich and reflective conversation, Dr. Diana Beech, inaugural Director of the Finsbury Institute at City St George’s, University of London, explores her unconventional career path across academia, government, and policy and what it teaches about leading in complex, purpose-driven organisations. Her story is one of adaptability, curiosity, and moral purpose, offering a grounded view of what leadership really looks like in the “mess” of public life and higher education. Our conversation touches on: • Her winding journey from academia to policy and back, taking a combination of serendipity, risk-taking, drive and hard work • The challenge of building something new, the Finsbury Institute, from the ground up • Why universities are struggling not just financially, but in public legitimacy • Lessons from failure, resilience, and self-belief and recognizing there is no shame in failing and the need to share our failure stories too. • Her guiding leadership principle: “Lead with purpose, not position” This conversation is for anyone trying to lead in messy systems — especially in higher education, government, or public service. She also shares her appreciation of an opportunity to talk about the mess of leadership and making sense of complex institutions.