Leon Thomas is one of the rare artists who has mastered the blend of musicality, vision, and business. In this episode, Leon pulls back the curtain on what it really takes to make art that cuts through the noise, without selling out. From crafting concept bibles and curating world-class visuals, to building subcultures and navigating record label politics, this conversation is a masterclass in intentional artistry.   We talk about flow state, creative discipline, and why every artist should prioritize community over virality. Leon also breaks down the lost art of artist development, the importance of preparation, and why disruption is essential for innovation. Whether you're an artist, director, or producer, this episode is a blueprint for building something lasting.   00:00 Introduction 02:12 Collaborating with Issa Rae 03:06 The Secret Superpower of Acting Experience 04:41 The Concept Bible and Creative Vision 05:06 The Artist-Director Dynamic 07:31 Navigating the Music Industry 14:38 The Importance of Viral Hits and Community 16:32 The Power of Diehard Fans 18:09 The Difference Between TV/Film and Music Videos 18:53 Preparation and Rehearsal 22:39 Flow State and Overcoming Nerves 28:48 Connecting with the Audience 31:59 Creating for Yourself First 35:35 The Need for Disruption in Art 37:11 Pushing the Limits of Sound 38:23 Creating Unique Live Experiences 39:25 Inspiration from Other Artists 39:53 Memorable Concert Experiences 44:30 The Importance of Communication 46:34 Favorite Movies and Directors 49:40 Influential Music Videos 54:21 Understanding Song Credits 55:25 The Value of a Music Catalog 57:42 Early Career and Collaborations 59:25 Embracing Past Experiences 01:00:21 Balancing Art and Business 01:04:41 Reflecting on Personal Growth 01:06:05 Dealing with Creative Blocks 01:09:26 Final Thoughts and Gratitude   Follow ⁠⁠Leon Thomas⁠ Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Arrad (podcast host)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SPOTIFY⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠APPLE MUSIC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YOUTUBE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   CONNECT WITH US: ✩ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ourselves (production team)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠:  ✩ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ✩ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ✩ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ✩ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook