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Out and Back
Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
10 episodes
2 days ago
Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.
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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.
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Out and Back
#10 Ran to Japan - Why is Japan so deep in the marathon? Running Youtube, 2:38 to 2:13 Marathon, Olympic Dreams, Building a Community

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Today are joined by Jake Bearclough, better know as Ran to Japan. We explore the cultural differences in running training between Japanese and American runners, find our why Japan is so good at the marathon, highlight the differences in training. We also dive into the world of Running Youtube and hear a very cool story about Jake moving from the UK to the US to Japan to chase his running dreams.

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1 week ago
54 minutes 6 seconds

Out and Back
#9 - Biya Simbassa, 2:06 Marathoner, Top American Seed at New York City Marathon

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Biya is a former teammate and training partner of both Jacob and Rory. We got to chat with Biya about his new coaching set up with Ian Carter and the workouts that lead to his 2:06 Marathon in Valencia last year. We touch on his fueling and race strategies. We chat about the competition in New York City Marathon and what Biya has done to prepare for the course.


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2 weeks ago
37 minutes 59 seconds

Out and Back
#8 - Reed Fischer - Tinman Elite's new focus, New York City Marathon, World Championships

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Today on the Out and Back podcast, we sat down with professional marathon runner Reed Fischer. We talked about Reed bouncing off the World Championships to race the New York City Marathon. We covered how he is preparing for multiple marathons in a season, his experience at the World Championships, and his preparation for the upcoming New York City Marathon.

We dove into the evolution of the Tin Man Elite team and the challenges of professional running. Reed shares insights on the competitive landscape of marathon running and his personal goals for the future.

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3 weeks ago
52 minutes 14 seconds

Out and Back
#7 - Chicago Marathon War Stories, Rory runs 2:06, Way to early 2028 Olympic Trials discussion

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  • "Marathons are freaking hard!"

















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1 month ago
48 minutes 33 seconds

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#6 - Chicago Marathon Preview, The Record Chase is ON, Your guide to race day!

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We discuss the upcoming Chicago Marathon, focusing on Rory's training, Canadian record attempts, and the competitive landscape of elite marathon running. They delve into the importance of consistency in training, pre-race preparations, and the dynamics of race day. Chicago Marathon Trivia Questions. The conversation also touches on the elite fields for both men and women, highlighting key athletes and their potential performances. And lastly, we offer some tips for runners participating in the event.


  • "I did the highest mileage build of my career."
  • "I felt pretty locked into 445 pace."


Chapters

00:00 Race Week Anticipation

03:07 Training Insights and Record Attempts

05:53 The Importance of Mental Preparation

08:56 Race Week Logistics and Media Obligations

12:09 The Competitive Landscape of the Chicago Marathon

14:55 Interactions with Fellow Athletes

17:51 Marathon Progression and Personal Growth

26:04 The Evolution of a Marathoner

29:12 Preparing for the Chicago Marathon

31:37 Trivia and Insights on the Chicago Marathon

37:20 Analyzing the Men's Field

46:01 Final Thoughts and Race Day Tips

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1 month ago
49 minutes 9 seconds

Out and Back
#5 Mike Arishita - CEO & Founder of Blanks Nutrition, How to fuel for a marathon

Blanks Sports Nutrition

In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, Rory and Jacob welcome Michael Arashida, CEO and founder of Blanks Sports Nutrition. They delve into the complexities of sports nutrition, emphasizing the importance of individualized fueling strategies for athletes at all levels. Mike shares insights on the art and science of nutrition, the challenges of running a sports nutrition company, and common mistakes made by amateur athletes. The conversation highlights the necessity of practice and experimentation in finding the right fueling methods, as well as the balance between high performance and health.


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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Blanks Sports Nutrition

01:44 The Importance of Customization in Sports Nutrition

05:00 Art and Science of Fueling for Performance

08:08 Trial and Error in Finding the Right Fuel

12:06 High Performance vs. Health

13:17 Functional vs. Optimal Performance

15:53 Training the Gut for Endurance

19:59 Front-Loading Fueling Strategies

21:30 Understanding Race Day Nerves and Nutrition

30:23 The Art of Fueling: Gels vs. Liquids

34:56 Navigating the Challenges of Running a Nutrition Business

39:11 Common Mistakes Amateur Athletes Make

43:41 Final Thoughts on Nutrition and Performance


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1 month ago
45 minutes 36 seconds

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#4 Julia Paternain - World Championship Medalist, Phone calls from Paula Radcliffe and the Uruguayan President

In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, hosts Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter welcome Julia Paternain, a bronze medalist at the Tokyo World Championships in the marathon. Julia shares her unique journey from a competitive swimming background to becoming a marathon runner, detailing her experiences in college athletics, her training in Flagstaff, and her preparation for the Tokyo marathon. She discusses the challenges she faced, her strategies for success, and the surreal experience of winning a medal for Uruguay. The conversation highlights the importance of community, the emotional aspects of competition, and Julia's plans for the future as she navigates her newfound success.


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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Julia Paternine

02:40 Julia's Unique Background and Journey

11:54 Transition to Flagstaff and Training

17:24 Tokyo World Championships Experience

22:37 The Surreal Experience of Success

24:34 Whirlwind Aftermath of the Race

28:22 Deciding the Next Steps

31:34 Preparing for the Tokyo Marathon

42:20 Momentum and Strategy During the Race

44:30 The Thrill of Finishing in a Stadium


Julia Paternine, marathon, Tokyo World Championships, bronze medal, running journey, Flagstaff, training, athlete, sports, competition

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1 month ago
47 minutes 15 seconds

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#3 - Cow Harbor 10k Preview, Flagstaff Medal in the Marathon, World Championships talk, Hocker DQ, Jakob 5k Revenge

In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, hosts Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter discuss the excitement of the fall marathon season, including the upcoming Cow Harbor 10K and the importance of training strategies like fatigue resistance. They recap the recent world championships, highlighting thrilling finishes in both the men's and women's marathons, and celebrate Julia Paternain's historic bronze medal. The conversation also touches on the drama of the 1500m final, predictions for the upcoming 5K races, and the potential for more stadium finishes in road racing, emphasizing the blend of preparation, luck, and the electric atmosphere that championship races bring.


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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Fall Racing Season

02:04 Race Preparations and Expectations

05:34 Training Philosophy: Fatigue Resistance

12:13 Championship Marathons: Insights from Recent Races

20:33 Highlighting Underdogs: Julia Paternan's Journey

22:54 Dramatic Events: The 1500m Final Recap

23:38 The Blunt Truth of Performance

24:50 Controversy in Competition: The DQ Debate

26:51 Finals and Surprises: The 1500m Race

28:27 The 10K Upset: Gressier's Victory

31:49 Kijelcha's Transition: From Track to Road

33:08 5K Predictions: A Competitive Landscape

36:39 Dark Horse Picks: Surprises in the 5K

40:10 Women's 1500m: Kipjegon and Rising Stars

42:16 Marathon Finishes: The Stadium Experience

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2 months ago
49 minutes 8 seconds

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#2 Jon Green - Coaching an Olympic Medalist, Indicator Workouts, Verde Track Club Future

In this episode of Out and Back, hosts Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter welcome their first guest, John Green, head coach of the Verde Track Club. The conversation explores John's journey from a successful high school and collegiate runner to a professional coach, discussing his coaching philosophy, the impact of COVID-19 on training, and the importance of athlete engagement. They delve into the challenges of competing on a global stage, the lessons learned from coaching, and the strategies for building a successful team. The episode wraps up with insights on favorite workouts and future aspirations in the world of running.


running, coaching, marathon, athlete, training, Olympic trials, coaching philosophy, injuries, competition, professional running

Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.


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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

02:51 John Green's Journey as a Runner and Coach

05:57 Transitioning from Athlete to Coach

09:06 Coaching Philosophy and Athlete Engagement

12:06 The Impact of COVID-19 on Training and Competitions

14:48 Building a Successful Coaching Team

17:56 Competing on the Global Stage

20:48 Lessons Learned from Coaching and Injuries

24:01 Favorite Workouts and Training Strategies

26:42 Looking Ahead: Goals and Aspirations

29:38 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

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2 months ago
47 minutes 5 seconds

Out and Back
#1 - Pilot Episode, Why a Podcast, Marathon is for Everyone

Episode 1:

In the inaugural episode of the Out and Back podcast, hosts Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson discuss their backgrounds in running, current training regimens, and upcoming marathon goals. They delve into the importance of consistency in training, the challenges of medium long runs, and the debate between taking days off versus running every day. The conversation also covers strategies for racing the Chicago Marathon, emphasizing the mental and physical aspects of marathon preparation. The hosts invite listeners to engage with the podcast and share their experiences in the running community.


Show Notes:

Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.


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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Out and Back Podcast

01:12 The Mission Behind the Podcast

04:44 Hosts' Backgrounds and Running Journeys

07:25 Life Changes and Training Updates

09:26 Goals for Upcoming Marathons

12:03 Racing Strategies and Mindset

13:59 Reflections on Past Races

16:49 Preparing for the Final Weeks Before a Marathon

22:46 The Challenge of the Midweek Run

28:09 The Debate: Six Days vs. Seven Days of Running

34:38 Strategies for Racing the Chicago Marathon

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2 months ago
40 minutes 46 seconds

Out and Back
Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.