Chris Drzyzga joins me to unpack how Bitcoin is fundamentally changing commercial real estate — a $37 trillion market facing structural decline. We discuss how Bitcoin is emerging as a competitor for real estate capital, the idea of dual-collateralized financing, and why traditional investment strategies are breaking down. Chris outlines his “four-pillar” framework for the new era of property ownership — from Bitcoin treasury management and energy optimization to PropTech and modular improvements. If you’re in real estate or just curious how Bitcoin intersects with hard assets, this episode is essential viewing. Follow Chris on X → https://x.com/ChrisDrz Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator 00:00 Introduction to Chris Drzyzga and His Journey 02:49 The Financialization of Bitcoin and Real Estate 05:50 The Alarm Bells of Real Estate 08:46 The Changing Landscape of Commercial Real Estate 11:47 The Impact of Technology on Office Space 14:53 Short-Term Hold Periods and Market Fragility 18:12 The Shift in Commercial Real Estate Investment Strategies 21:11 The Competition Between Bitcoin and Real Estate 23:45 Dual Collateralization in Real Estate Financing 33:22 Understanding Bitcoin's Role in Real Estate Investment 40:43 The Four Pillars of Modern Real Estate Strategy 48:20 Navigating Regulatory Challenges in Real Estate 55:52 Envisioning the Future of Commercial Real Estate 01:01:15 Taking Action: Integrating Bitcoin into Real Estate Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. #Bitcoin, #RealEstate, #CommercialRealEstate, #InvestmentStrategy, #DualCollateralization, #BitcoinFinance, #PropertyMarket, #Financialization, #EnergyOptimization, #PropTech, #MarketTrends, #CapitalStrategy, #BitcoinAdoption, #RealEstateInnovation, #Regulation, #Redevelopment

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In this episode, Bram Kanstein, host of Bitcoin for Millennials, explores how fiat currency erodes values, incentives, and meaning—and how Bitcoin restores them. They discuss the educational gap around Bitcoin, the illusion of gold’s scarcity, and why sound money is essential for rebuilding a society that values creation over consumption. From financial nihilism to the philosophical and spiritual roots of value, this conversation dives deep into what makes Bitcoin the ideal money for future generations. Links: Follow Bram on X → https://x.com/bramk Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Bitcoin Perspectives 02:38 Misconceptions About Bitcoin’s Origins 05:20 Understanding Bitcoin and Financial Education 08:21 The Role of Education in Bitcoin Adoption 10:45 Bitcoin vs. Gold: A Comparative Analysis 13:49 The Concept of Scarcity in Bitcoin 16:33 Bitcoin as the Ideal Money 19:07 The Future of Bitcoin and Financial Nihilism 29:46 The Value Proposition and Market Incentives 34:10 Bitcoin as a Catalyst for Real Value 37:19 The Spiritual and Philosophical Implications of Money 41:19 The Erosion of Value Creation in Modern Society 47:53 Reconstructing the Concept of Value 52:28 Bitcoin: A Tool for Future Generations Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I’m joined by James Check — co-founder and on-chain analyst at Check On Chain — to break down Bitcoin’s current “Chop Solidation” phase and what it means for the next big move. We cover: • Why Bitcoin’s four-year cycle may be losing its predictive power • How ETFs and treasury companies are reshaping market structure • The bull vs. bear case for Bitcoin going into 2025 • Why sell-side pressure isn’t crashing the market • How to build a probabilistic game plan for any market condition James shares deep insights into on-chain data, investor sentiment, and trading strategy — offering one of the clearest frameworks for understanding Bitcoin’s evolving market structure. Follow James on X → https://x.com/_Checkmatey_ Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation 00:00 Introduction and Current State of Bitcoin 01:58 Chop Solidation: Understanding Market Trends 05:40 The Four-Year Cycle: A Dying Narrative? 09:29 Market Dynamics: Demand vs. Supply 13:24 Sell-Side Pressure: Analyzing Market Sentiment 19:17 Bull and Bear Cases: Navigating Uncertainty 24:46 Understanding Bitcoin's Price Levels 27:04 Gold's Influence on Bitcoin 29:15 Market Sentiment and Historical Trends 31:27 Leverage Wipeouts and Market Structure 35:06 The Future of Bitcoin Treasury Companies 42:20 Navigating Uncertainty in Bitcoin Trading Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I sit down with Alex Thorn, Head of Firmwide Research at Galaxy, to unpack the intersection of Bitcoin, AI, and global market dynamics. We discuss how AI CapEx is driving GDP growth, why Bitcoin’s volatility is increasingly tied to macroeconomic factors, and how institutional adoption is reshaping the landscape of digital asset treasuries. Alex breaks down the parallels between today’s AI boom and the dot-com era, the role of Bitcoin treasuries in uncertain markets, and what the next wave of Bitcoin-native companies might look like. If you want to understand how Bitcoin fits into a rapidly changing world of AI-driven growth and financial evolution, this one’s for you. Follow Alex on X → https://x.com/intangiblecoins Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti 00:00 Market Dynamics and Current Trends 13:27 The AI CapEx Boom and Its Implications 20:23 The Future of AI and Its Economic Impact 23:14 Digital Asset Treasuries: Current Trends and Future Outlook 37:07 The Evolution of Bitcoin Companies and Market Dynamics Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I’m joined by Eric Jackson, Founder of EMJ Capital and leader of the Opendoor retail investor movement. We discuss Opendoor’s near-delisting and improbable comeback, why C-suite compensation must be aligned with shareholder interests, and how retail investors can punch above their weight in today’s markets. Eric also breaks down what it takes to find a 100x opportunity, why he believes in the rise of a “retail dynasty,” and how the real estate industry is ripe for disruption. This episode is about more than Opendoor—it’s about power shifting from Wall Street to Main Street. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Eric on X → https://x.com/EricJackson Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I sit down with Matt Cole, Chairman and CEO of Strive, to unpack the evolution of Bitcoin treasury companies and the macroeconomic backdrop shaping their strategies. Matt shares his journey from managing $70B at CalPERS to going all-in on bitcoin—and building Strive to be a top-performing public equity vehicle for bitcoin exposure. We dive into: • Why Matt believes Bitcoin is the only off-ramp from monetary debasement • Strive's M&A strategy and the acquisition of Semler Scientific • Preferred equity vs. convertible debt—and why duration matching is everything • The real value of an operating business in a Bitcoin treasury strategy • How to think about amplified bitcoin exposure—and survive the short-term volatility • What happens when the Fed’s monetary tools stop working This is one of the most in-depth episodes we've done on how capital markets, balance sheet construction, and macro trends collide with Bitcoin adoption at scale. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I’m joined by Chaitanya Jain, Bitcoin Treasury Manager at Strategy, to explore how Bitcoin-native financial instruments are flipping corporate finance on its head, and why Bitcoin could hit $21 million in the coming decades. We cover CJ’s transition from Harvard to Strategy and the rise of proof-of-work over credentials in Bitcoin. We dig into the new KPIs Strategy pioneered like Bitcoin Yield and Bitcoin Dollar Gain, the implications of major accounting rule changes, the intelligent leverage behind Strategy’s preferred equity offerings, and how Bitcoin-backed credit products are opening up new capital markets. CJ shares his long-term view for Bitcoin’s path to becoming the world’s dominant monetary asset—and what the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies means for the future of finance. Follow CJ on X → https://x.com/_ChaitanyaJ Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to Bitcoin Treasury Management 05:00 Transitioning into the Bitcoin Space 10:27 Proof of Work vs. Credentials in Bitcoin 16:30 Innovative Metrics in Bitcoin Treasury Management 21:03 The Impact of Accounting Changes on Bitcoin Holdings 26:50 The Future of Bitcoin as a Corporate Asset 33:10 Preferred Equity Offerings and Financial Innovation 40:00 Education and Investor Relations in Bitcoin 42:05 The Future of Bitcoin Treasury Companies 48:23 Conclusion and Future Outlook Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I sit down with Leon Wankum—real estate developer, author, and analyst on Bitcoin, real estate, philosophy, and ethics. We dive deep into the paradigm shift underway as Bitcoin begins siphoning the monetary premium from real estate, reshaping the way we think about value storage and property. We discuss Leon’s journey from growing up on construction sites to researching Bitcoin in academia, and how he came to view Bitcoin as “digital real estate”—a superior store of value that’s absolutely scarce, unlike housing. We cover why real estate has been a politically protected asset class, how liabilities make it an imperfect store of value, and why Bitcoin is a simpler, more resilient alternative. From dual-collateralization strategies to the future of housing affordability, Leon explains why developers and investors who embrace Bitcoin today will become the builders of tomorrow. Follow Leon on X → https://x.com/leonwankum Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I’m joined by Steven Lubka, VP of Investor Relations at Nakamoto, to explore the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies and why they’re becoming a powerful force in corporate finance. We discuss Wall Street’s growing interest, how these companies leverage public capital markets to acquire bitcoin at scale, and why leadership matters in running this playbook effectively. Steven shares insights on skepticism in the Bitcoin community, the potential for treasury companies to reduce volatility, and how they might evolve into full-fledged Bitcoin banks of the future. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I’m joined by Gary Cardone for an unfiltered conversation on freedom, wealth, and the economic realities shaping our future. We dig into the true meaning of freedom—not just as a concept, but as a tool for building a life on your own terms. We examine why the U.S. isn’t a truly free market, how monopolies and regulatory capture distort opportunity, and why housing is one of the most misunderstood “assets” in America. Gary shares his philosophy on personal responsibility, taking action in uncertain times, and why Bitcoin is the ultimate anchor in a volatile world. From generational shifts in wealth to the dangers of debt, we explore how to seize opportunities, avoid financial traps, and position yourself for long-term independence. If you’re serious about breaking free from the status quo, this one’s for you. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode, I’m joined by Joe Burnett, Director of Bitcoin Strategy at Semler Scientific, one of the largest Bitcoin treasury companies in the world. We dive deep into Semler’s latest acquisition that pushed them past 5,000 BTC on their balance sheet and discuss the rise of Bitcoin-native corporate finance. We cover: • What "intelligent leverage" really means and why it's the key to the Bitcoin treasury playbook • How speculative attacks are accelerating bitcoinization, one balance sheet at a time • Why these companies are building financial bridges from legacy asset classes to Bitcoin • The misconceptions about volatility, MNAV premiums, and risk in Bitcoin treasury firms • How Joe went from pseudonymous Twitter anon to leading strategy at a 5,000+ BTC company If you want to understand where Bitcoin is going and who's paving the way, this episode is for you. Follow Joe Burnett on X → https://x.com/IIICapital Explore Semler Scientific's Bitcoin Dashboard → https://ir.semlerscientific.com/dashboard Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to Bitcoin Strategy and Acquisition 02:41 Intelligent Leverage in Bitcoin Treasury Companies 05:35 The Concept of Speculative Attack 08:21 The Evolution of Bitcoin and Personal Journeys 11:06 Advice for Aspiring Bitcoin Professionals 13:54 Understanding MNAV and Market Dynamics 32:12 Understanding Leverage in Bitcoin Investment 33:55 Bridging Traditional Assets to Bitcoin 37:19 The Role of Bitcoin Treasury Companies 38:33 Critiques of Bitcoin Treasury Companies 42:14 The Contrarian Nature of Bitcoin Investments 44:00 The Future of Bitcoin and Treasury Companies 45:48 Monetary Debasement and Bitcoin's Growth 48:28 Technological Innovation vs. Monetary Policy 52:42 The Evolution of Monetary Systems 53:54 Valuation of Bitcoin Treasury Companies Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode of Over the Horizon, I’m joined by Jesse Shrader, founder of Amboss, for a deep dive into the Lightning Network, the evolution of Bitcoin as programmable money, and the launch of Rails—a plug-and-play way for Bitcoiners to earn yield while staying in self-custody. We explore: • How the Lightning Network enables velocity without credit • Why Magma was the first step toward a Bitcoin-native capital market • What Rails is, how it works, and where the yield actually comes from • The new Bitcoin risk curve and how it compares to fiat capital markets • How Rails can help businesses and treasury holders activate dormant BTC Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Bitcoin and Amboss 02:50 The Evolution of the Lightning Network 05:36 Jesse's Journey into Bitcoin 08:07 The Concept of Velocity of Money 11:03 Understanding Global M2 and Bitcoin's Correlation 16:40 The Future of Financial Systems with Bitcoin 19:31 Risk and Return in Traditional vs Bitcoin Markets 25:31 Understanding the Lightning Network and Its Benefits 33:10 Exploring Liquidity Leases and Automated Processes 37:05 Yield Generation in the Lightning Network 43:29 The Future of Bitcoin as a Medium of Exchange Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation 👉 https://calendly.com/joe-consorti/bitcoin-consulting-30-min Follow Joe on X 👉 https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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In this episode of Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast, I sit down with Caleb Cross, founder of Apex Bitcoin, to discuss why Asia Pacific is ground zero for the next wave of bitcoin adoption. We dive into collaborative custody, why 90% of the world needs it, and Apex’s mission to become the bitcoin-native vault platform for the region. Caleb also unpacks the deep flaws in fiat, the education gap holding users back, and why bitcoin is the best form of money humanity has ever had. If you want to understand where the bitcoin puck is going—and who’s skating there—this conversation is a must-listen. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation 👉 https://calendly.com/joe-consorti/bitcoin-consulting-30-min Follow Joe on X 👉 https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites.

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