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Penny Forward
Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner
134 episodes
4 weeks ago
Episode Summary This episode continues the conversation with Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, exploring the pivotal moments that shaped his success as a blind entrepreneur. Bill recounts the nerve-wracking scramble of submitting a major grant during a snowstorm—an event that ultimately became a turning point for the company. He shares the organic evolution of forming Dancing Dots, from learning business skills out of necessity to building a small but powerful team of collaborators, including his longtime colleague Albert and talented musicians like Matthew Whitaker. Bill explains how humility, resourcefulness, and knowing when to ask for help have been essential parts of entrepreneurship—especially as a blind business owner. Bill also speaks candidly about balancing artistry with practicality: how blind musicians can fit music into their lives, why passion must be paired with a plan for sustainability, and the importance of keeping creativity alive even if music isn’t a primary income source. The episode closes with a full overview of Dancing Dots’ products, training services, and Braille music resources—plus where listeners can go to learn more or get hands-on support. Contact Info Guest / Organization Bill McCann — Founder, Dancing Dots Website: https://www.dancingdots.com Services: Braille music production, accessible notation software, Reaper/Logic/Pro Tools training, 30-minute consultation for audio accessibility, Braille music courses, temporary software trials. Aftersight & Penny Forward Penny Forward Website: https://www.pennyforward.com Phone: 888-332-5558 Services: Accessible financial education, business plan consulting, workshops, online courses, 1:1 financial counseling. Aftersight (distribution partner) Website: https://www.aftersight.org Producer Credits Produced by Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner Audio editing & post-production by Jonathan Price Music composed/performed by Andre Louis Distributed in partnership with Aftersight Chapter Markers 00:00 – Opening & Episode Setup 00:30 – Bill’s biggest early business scare 02:20 – The FedEx snowstorm story 04:15 – Relief, success, and key turning points 05:00 – How Dancing Dots organically formed 06:30 – Learning business skills without business school 07:55 – Finding collaborators & unexpected help 10:30 – Running a micro-business as a blind founder 13:00 – Humility, asking for help, and resourcefulness 15:20 – Creativity vs. structure: the balance of entrepreneurship 17:00 – Advice for blind musicians 19:45 – Fitting music into a sustainable life plan 22:20 – The state of the music industry 23:55 – Keeping creativity alive 24:50 – Dancing Dots services & training 25:40 – How to contact Bill 26:10 – Penny Forward services 27:00 – Closing credits
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Episode Summary This episode continues the conversation with Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, exploring the pivotal moments that shaped his success as a blind entrepreneur. Bill recounts the nerve-wracking scramble of submitting a major grant during a snowstorm—an event that ultimately became a turning point for the company. He shares the organic evolution of forming Dancing Dots, from learning business skills out of necessity to building a small but powerful team of collaborators, including his longtime colleague Albert and talented musicians like Matthew Whitaker. Bill explains how humility, resourcefulness, and knowing when to ask for help have been essential parts of entrepreneurship—especially as a blind business owner. Bill also speaks candidly about balancing artistry with practicality: how blind musicians can fit music into their lives, why passion must be paired with a plan for sustainability, and the importance of keeping creativity alive even if music isn’t a primary income source. The episode closes with a full overview of Dancing Dots’ products, training services, and Braille music resources—plus where listeners can go to learn more or get hands-on support. Contact Info Guest / Organization Bill McCann — Founder, Dancing Dots Website: https://www.dancingdots.com Services: Braille music production, accessible notation software, Reaper/Logic/Pro Tools training, 30-minute consultation for audio accessibility, Braille music courses, temporary software trials. Aftersight & Penny Forward Penny Forward Website: https://www.pennyforward.com Phone: 888-332-5558 Services: Accessible financial education, business plan consulting, workshops, online courses, 1:1 financial counseling. Aftersight (distribution partner) Website: https://www.aftersight.org Producer Credits Produced by Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner Audio editing & post-production by Jonathan Price Music composed/performed by Andre Louis Distributed in partnership with Aftersight Chapter Markers 00:00 – Opening & Episode Setup 00:30 – Bill’s biggest early business scare 02:20 – The FedEx snowstorm story 04:15 – Relief, success, and key turning points 05:00 – How Dancing Dots organically formed 06:30 – Learning business skills without business school 07:55 – Finding collaborators & unexpected help 10:30 – Running a micro-business as a blind founder 13:00 – Humility, asking for help, and resourcefulness 15:20 – Creativity vs. structure: the balance of entrepreneurship 17:00 – Advice for blind musicians 19:45 – Fitting music into a sustainable life plan 22:20 – The state of the music industry 23:55 – Keeping creativity alive 24:50 – Dancing Dots services & training 25:40 – How to contact Bill 26:10 – Penny Forward services 27:00 – Closing credits
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One Score at a Time: Bill McCann & the Story of Dancing Dots (Part 1)
Penny Forward
24 minutes
1 month ago
One Score at a Time: Bill McCann & the Story of Dancing Dots (Part 1)
Episode Summary This episode of the Penny Forward Podcast features Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, in a deep and engaging conversation about accessible music creation for blind and low-vision musicians. Bill shares his personal journey—from learning Braille music as a child to struggling through inaccessible print scores in high school and college—and how this lived experience inspired the creation of Dancing Dots in 1992. Chris and Liz explore the origin story of Goodfeel, the Braille music translation software now used in more than 50 countries, and how Bill’s team expanded into tools like Lime, Lime Lighter, and accessible digital audio workstation training. Bill explains the challenges low-vision musicians face when trying to read standard scores, why simple magnification isn’t enough, and how Lime Lighter solves the problem with large-format, customizable, repeat-aware digital notation. The episode also features a humorous radio spot voiced by Patrick Perdue that demonstrates the real-world stakes of inaccessible print music—especially for trombone players. The conversation concludes with the announcement that the discussion will continue in Part 2. Contact Info Guest — Bill McCann / Dancing Dots Website: https://www.dancingdots.com Email (general): info@dancingdots.com Penny Forward Website: https://www.pennyforward.com Email: info@pennyforward.com Aftersight Website: https://www.aftersight.org Email for guests & inquiries: jonathan@aftersight.org Phone: (720) 712-8856 Producer: Jonathan Price, Podcast & Program Producer at Aftersight Show Credits Hosts: Chris Peterson & Liz Bottner Guest: Bill McCann Audio Editing & Post-Production: Jonathan Price Composer: André Louis Distributed in partnership with Aftersight A Penny Forward production Chapter Markers 00:00 — Opening & Introductions 00:34 — Meet Bill McCann 01:20 — Discovering Music & Braille 02:28 — Early Challenges Accessing Scores 03:55 — High School & College Music Demands 05:22 — The Birth of Dancing Dots 09:10 — Building Goodfeel 11:20 — Lime, Lime Lighter & Accessible Tools 16:24 — Audio Production & Reaper Training 18:10 — Lime Lighter Radio Spot 20:15 — Why Magnification Isn’t Simple 22:45 — Tailoring Tools for Low Vision Needs 25:02 — Closing & Part Two Teaser
Penny Forward
Episode Summary This episode continues the conversation with Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, exploring the pivotal moments that shaped his success as a blind entrepreneur. Bill recounts the nerve-wracking scramble of submitting a major grant during a snowstorm—an event that ultimately became a turning point for the company. He shares the organic evolution of forming Dancing Dots, from learning business skills out of necessity to building a small but powerful team of collaborators, including his longtime colleague Albert and talented musicians like Matthew Whitaker. Bill explains how humility, resourcefulness, and knowing when to ask for help have been essential parts of entrepreneurship—especially as a blind business owner. Bill also speaks candidly about balancing artistry with practicality: how blind musicians can fit music into their lives, why passion must be paired with a plan for sustainability, and the importance of keeping creativity alive even if music isn’t a primary income source. The episode closes with a full overview of Dancing Dots’ products, training services, and Braille music resources—plus where listeners can go to learn more or get hands-on support. Contact Info Guest / Organization Bill McCann — Founder, Dancing Dots Website: https://www.dancingdots.com Services: Braille music production, accessible notation software, Reaper/Logic/Pro Tools training, 30-minute consultation for audio accessibility, Braille music courses, temporary software trials. Aftersight & Penny Forward Penny Forward Website: https://www.pennyforward.com Phone: 888-332-5558 Services: Accessible financial education, business plan consulting, workshops, online courses, 1:1 financial counseling. Aftersight (distribution partner) Website: https://www.aftersight.org Producer Credits Produced by Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner Audio editing & post-production by Jonathan Price Music composed/performed by Andre Louis Distributed in partnership with Aftersight Chapter Markers 00:00 – Opening & Episode Setup 00:30 – Bill’s biggest early business scare 02:20 – The FedEx snowstorm story 04:15 – Relief, success, and key turning points 05:00 – How Dancing Dots organically formed 06:30 – Learning business skills without business school 07:55 – Finding collaborators & unexpected help 10:30 – Running a micro-business as a blind founder 13:00 – Humility, asking for help, and resourcefulness 15:20 – Creativity vs. structure: the balance of entrepreneurship 17:00 – Advice for blind musicians 19:45 – Fitting music into a sustainable life plan 22:20 – The state of the music industry 23:55 – Keeping creativity alive 24:50 – Dancing Dots services & training 25:40 – How to contact Bill 26:10 – Penny Forward services 27:00 – Closing credits