Episode Summary
This episode continues the conversation with Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, exploring the pivotal moments that shaped his success as a blind entrepreneur. Bill recounts the nerve-wracking scramble of submitting a major grant during a snowstorm—an event that ultimately became a turning point for the company.
He shares the organic evolution of forming Dancing Dots, from learning business skills out of necessity to building a small but powerful team of collaborators, including his longtime colleague Albert and talented musicians like Matthew Whitaker. Bill explains how humility, resourcefulness, and knowing when to ask for help have been essential parts of entrepreneurship—especially as a blind business owner.
Bill also speaks candidly about balancing artistry with practicality: how blind musicians can fit music into their lives, why passion must be paired with a plan for sustainability, and the importance of keeping creativity alive even if music isn’t a primary income source.
The episode closes with a full overview of Dancing Dots’ products, training services, and Braille music resources—plus where listeners can go to learn more or get hands-on support.
Contact Info
Guest / Organization
Bill McCann — Founder, Dancing Dots
Website: https://www.dancingdots.com
Services: Braille music production, accessible notation software, Reaper/Logic/Pro Tools training, 30-minute consultation for audio accessibility, Braille music courses, temporary software trials.
Aftersight & Penny Forward
Penny Forward
Website: https://www.pennyforward.com
Phone: 888-332-5558
Services: Accessible financial education, business plan consulting, workshops, online courses, 1:1 financial counseling.
Aftersight (distribution partner)
Website: https://www.aftersight.org
Producer Credits
Produced by Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner
Audio editing & post-production by Jonathan Price
Music composed/performed by Andre Louis
Distributed in partnership with Aftersight
Chapter Markers
00:00 – Opening & Episode Setup
00:30 – Bill’s biggest early business scare
02:20 – The FedEx snowstorm story
04:15 – Relief, success, and key turning points
05:00 – How Dancing Dots organically formed
06:30 – Learning business skills without business school
07:55 – Finding collaborators & unexpected help
10:30 – Running a micro-business as a blind founder
13:00 – Humility, asking for help, and resourcefulness
15:20 – Creativity vs. structure: the balance of entrepreneurship
17:00 – Advice for blind musicians
19:45 – Fitting music into a sustainable life plan
22:20 – The state of the music industry
23:55 – Keeping creativity alive
24:50 – Dancing Dots services & training
25:40 – How to contact Bill
26:10 – Penny Forward services
27:00 – Closing credits
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Episode Summary
This episode continues the conversation with Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, exploring the pivotal moments that shaped his success as a blind entrepreneur. Bill recounts the nerve-wracking scramble of submitting a major grant during a snowstorm—an event that ultimately became a turning point for the company.
He shares the organic evolution of forming Dancing Dots, from learning business skills out of necessity to building a small but powerful team of collaborators, including his longtime colleague Albert and talented musicians like Matthew Whitaker. Bill explains how humility, resourcefulness, and knowing when to ask for help have been essential parts of entrepreneurship—especially as a blind business owner.
Bill also speaks candidly about balancing artistry with practicality: how blind musicians can fit music into their lives, why passion must be paired with a plan for sustainability, and the importance of keeping creativity alive even if music isn’t a primary income source.
The episode closes with a full overview of Dancing Dots’ products, training services, and Braille music resources—plus where listeners can go to learn more or get hands-on support.
Contact Info
Guest / Organization
Bill McCann — Founder, Dancing Dots
Website: https://www.dancingdots.com
Services: Braille music production, accessible notation software, Reaper/Logic/Pro Tools training, 30-minute consultation for audio accessibility, Braille music courses, temporary software trials.
Aftersight & Penny Forward
Penny Forward
Website: https://www.pennyforward.com
Phone: 888-332-5558
Services: Accessible financial education, business plan consulting, workshops, online courses, 1:1 financial counseling.
Aftersight (distribution partner)
Website: https://www.aftersight.org
Producer Credits
Produced by Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner
Audio editing & post-production by Jonathan Price
Music composed/performed by Andre Louis
Distributed in partnership with Aftersight
Chapter Markers
00:00 – Opening & Episode Setup
00:30 – Bill’s biggest early business scare
02:20 – The FedEx snowstorm story
04:15 – Relief, success, and key turning points
05:00 – How Dancing Dots organically formed
06:30 – Learning business skills without business school
07:55 – Finding collaborators & unexpected help
10:30 – Running a micro-business as a blind founder
13:00 – Humility, asking for help, and resourcefulness
15:20 – Creativity vs. structure: the balance of entrepreneurship
17:00 – Advice for blind musicians
19:45 – Fitting music into a sustainable life plan
22:20 – The state of the music industry
23:55 – Keeping creativity alive
24:50 – Dancing Dots services & training
25:40 – How to contact Bill
26:10 – Penny Forward services
27:00 – Closing credits
Episode Summary
This episode continues the conversation with Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, exploring the pivotal moments that shaped his success as a blind entrepreneur. Bill recounts the nerve-wracking scramble of submitting a major grant during a snowstorm—an event that ultimately became a turning point for the company.
He shares the organic evolution of forming Dancing Dots, from learning business skills out of necessity to building a small but powerful team of collaborators, including his longtime colleague Albert and talented musicians like Matthew Whitaker. Bill explains how humility, resourcefulness, and knowing when to ask for help have been essential parts of entrepreneurship—especially as a blind business owner.
Bill also speaks candidly about balancing artistry with practicality: how blind musicians can fit music into their lives, why passion must be paired with a plan for sustainability, and the importance of keeping creativity alive even if music isn’t a primary income source.
The episode closes with a full overview of Dancing Dots’ products, training services, and Braille music resources—plus where listeners can go to learn more or get hands-on support.
Contact Info
Guest / Organization
Bill McCann — Founder, Dancing Dots
Website: https://www.dancingdots.com
Services: Braille music production, accessible notation software, Reaper/Logic/Pro Tools training, 30-minute consultation for audio accessibility, Braille music courses, temporary software trials.
Aftersight & Penny Forward
Penny Forward
Website: https://www.pennyforward.com
Phone: 888-332-5558
Services: Accessible financial education, business plan consulting, workshops, online courses, 1:1 financial counseling.
Aftersight (distribution partner)
Website: https://www.aftersight.org
Producer Credits
Produced by Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner
Audio editing & post-production by Jonathan Price
Music composed/performed by Andre Louis
Distributed in partnership with Aftersight
Chapter Markers
00:00 – Opening & Episode Setup
00:30 – Bill’s biggest early business scare
02:20 – The FedEx snowstorm story
04:15 – Relief, success, and key turning points
05:00 – How Dancing Dots organically formed
06:30 – Learning business skills without business school
07:55 – Finding collaborators & unexpected help
10:30 – Running a micro-business as a blind founder
13:00 – Humility, asking for help, and resourcefulness
15:20 – Creativity vs. structure: the balance of entrepreneurship
17:00 – Advice for blind musicians
19:45 – Fitting music into a sustainable life plan
22:20 – The state of the music industry
23:55 – Keeping creativity alive
24:50 – Dancing Dots services & training
25:40 – How to contact Bill
26:10 – Penny Forward services
27:00 – Closing credits
Episode Summary
This episode of the Penny Forward Podcast features Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, in a deep and engaging conversation about accessible music creation for blind and low-vision musicians. Bill shares his personal journey—from learning Braille music as a child to struggling through inaccessible print scores in high school and college—and how this lived experience inspired the creation of Dancing Dots in 1992.
Chris and Liz explore the origin story of Goodfeel, the Braille music translation software now used in more than 50 countries, and how Bill’s team expanded into tools like Lime, Lime Lighter, and accessible digital audio workstation training. Bill explains the challenges low-vision musicians face when trying to read standard scores, why simple magnification isn’t enough, and how Lime Lighter solves the problem with large-format, customizable, repeat-aware digital notation. The episode also features a humorous radio spot voiced by Patrick Perdue that demonstrates the real-world stakes of inaccessible print music—especially for trombone players.
The conversation concludes with the announcement that the discussion will continue in Part 2.
Contact Info
Guest — Bill McCann / Dancing Dots
Website: https://www.dancingdots.com
Email (general): info@dancingdots.com
Penny Forward
Website: https://www.pennyforward.com
Email: info@pennyforward.com
Aftersight
Website: https://www.aftersight.org
Email for guests & inquiries: jonathan@aftersight.org
Phone: (720) 712-8856
Producer: Jonathan Price, Podcast & Program Producer at Aftersight
Show Credits
Hosts: Chris Peterson & Liz Bottner
Guest: Bill McCann
Audio Editing & Post-Production: Jonathan Price
Composer: André Louis
Distributed in partnership with Aftersight
A Penny Forward production
Chapter Markers
00:00 — Opening & Introductions
00:34 — Meet Bill McCann
01:20 — Discovering Music & Braille
02:28 — Early Challenges Accessing Scores
03:55 — High School & College Music Demands
05:22 — The Birth of Dancing Dots
09:10 — Building Goodfeel
11:20 — Lime, Lime Lighter & Accessible Tools
16:24 — Audio Production & Reaper Training
18:10 — Lime Lighter Radio Spot
20:15 — Why Magnification Isn’t Simple
22:45 — Tailoring Tools for Low Vision Needs
25:02 — Closing & Part Two Teaser
Episode Summary
Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner welcome the Erb family — Sarah, Stevie, and their 11-year-old daughter Maeve — founders of Unicorn Soda Design Studios, a company creating 3D-printed accessible games and educational tools for the blind and low-vision community. The family shares how Maeve’s blindness inspired a shift in their family’s path, from Stevie’s career as a professional chef to becoming a designer focused on accessibility.
Together, they discuss parenting approaches that promote autonomy, the creative process behind adaptive game design, and the importance of inclusive, sensory-rich learning materials. Maeve offers her perspective as both the inspiration and product tester behind Unicorn Soda’s designs, describing her favorite games like Lucky Ducks and the Braille Race Game. The family’s mission extends beyond fun — they aim to make Braille literacy and inclusive design more accessible for children and adults worldwide.
Listeners will also hear about the Erb family’s collaborations with teachers, their work with the National Federation of the Blind’s BELL program, and their plans for Maeve to eventually lead the business. This heartfelt and inventive episode showcases the intersection of family, design, and advocacy in action.
Contact Information
Guest Organization:
Unicorn Soda Design Studios
Website: unicornsodadesignstudio.com
Show Partner:
Penny Forward — Accessible financial education for the blind community
Website: www.pennyforward.com
Aftersight — Podcast Network Partner
Phone: (720) 712-8856
Email: feedback@aftersight.org
Producer: Jonathan Price — Podcast & Program Producer, Aftersight
Show Credits
Hosts: Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner
Guests: Stevie, Sarah, and Maeve Erb
Audio Editing & Post-Production: Jonathan Price
Music: André Louis
Distribution Partner: Aftersight
Presented by: Penny Forward, a nonprofit providing accessible financial education
Sponsored by: Wells Fargo, Thrivent, and the NASDAQ Foundation
In partnership with: APH Connect Center, World Services for the Blind, and Computers for the Blind
Chapter Markers
00:00 — Intro: Meet the Erb Family
02:20 — Parenting and Early Learning with Maeve
09:00 — From Chef to Designer: The Birth of Unicorn Soda
13:50 — Games and Accessibility: Design That Clicks
18:30 — Education Tools and Braille Literacy
23:00 — The Sound of Play: Designing Sensory Games
27:20 — Lucky Ducks and Other Favorites
29:40 — Advice for Families and Blind Kids
32:10 — The Future of Unicorn Soda Design
34:20 — Wrap-Up and Partner Acknowledgments
Software engineer Mike Gorse shares how early mentorship, Linux accessibility work, and steady investing shaped his career and financial freedom. Hosts Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner explore his journey from Duxbury Systems to SUSE, the lessons he’s learned about networking, relocation, and accessibility in tech, and how a simple, long-term investing approach brought stability and choice. His advice: connect with peers in your field, volunteer to gain traction, stay open to opportunities, and align your work and finances with what matters most.
Contact Info
Guest — Mike Gorse
📧 mike@straddlethebox.org
🐘 @MikeGorse@mindly.social
Penny Forward — pennyforward.com
Aftersight — aftersight.org | feedback@aftersight.org | (720) 712-8856
Producer: Jonathan Price, Podcast & Program Producer, Aftersight
Show Credits
Hosts: Chris Peterson, Liz Bottner
Guest: Mike Gorse
Producer / Post: Jonathan Price
Music: Andre Louis
Presented by: Penny Forward in partnership with Aftersight
Sponsors: Thrivent and The Nasdaq Foundation
Chapter Markers
00:00 — Intro: Building bright futures
00:15 — Meet Mike Gorse
02:10 — Early tech and Braille foundations
04:23 — First job at Duxbury Systems
06:41 — Linux and open-source accessibility
11:05 — Joining Novell and SUSE
13:23 — Handling discouragement and finding mentors
15:28 — Advice for career counselors and seekers
17:48 — Remote work and moving to Austin
19:50 — Context matters in career paths
22:11 — Housing co-ops and community
24:58 — Pros and cons of shared living
26:43 — Investing wisely and the Simple Path to Wealth
28:40 — FIRE and financial independence
30:54 — Networking and creating opportunities
33:19 — How to reach Mike
35:25 — Credits and Aftersight partnership
Chris Peterson and Liz Botner sit down with Andrew Babin, co-developer of HaloFi, a new voice-controlled money management app designed with accessibility in mind. Andrew shares his journey with Stargardt’s disease, his unexpected path from construction to finance, and how his experiences inspired the creation of HaloFi—a tool merging AI and voice technology to make financial management more inclusive. The conversation explores how AI-driven voice interfaces are transforming accessibility in finance, what it takes to break into the financial industry without prior experience, and how to persevere through personal and professional obstacles with determination and creativity.
Contact Info
Guest:
Andrew Babin, Co-developer of HaloFi
📧 andrew@halofiapp.com
🌐 halofiapp.com
Organization:
Penny Forward
🌐 pennyforward.com
Production Partner:
Aftersight (formerly Audio Information Network of Colorado)
📞 (720) 712-8856
✉️ feedback@aftersight.org
🌐 aftersight.org
Producer: Jonathan Price
Show Credits
Hosted by Chris Peterson and Liz Botner
Produced by Chris Peterson and Liz Botner
Audio editing and post-production by Jonathan Price
Music composed and performed by André Louis
Distributed in partnership with Aftersight
Penny Forward is a nonprofit providing accessible financial education programs by and for people who are blind.
Chapter Markers
00:00 – Introduction and welcome back
01:10 – Andrew’s early life and Stargardt’s diagnosis
03:25 – From construction to finance: a career pivot
05:50 – Breaking into finance during the COVID era
07:30 – Navigating work and independence with vision loss
09:45 – Lessons in perseverance and enthusiasm
11:00 – The idea behind HaloFi
14:00 – Overcoming barriers in finance exams and accessibility
16:20 – Building inclusive technology from the ground up
18:40 – HaloFi demo and functionality walkthrough
23:50 – Future features and AI-driven financial actions
26:30 – Launch timeline and how to join the waitlist
28:15 – How to contact Andrew and follow the project
30:00 – Partnership announcement with Aftersight
30:36 – Closing remarks and credits
Liz Bottner leads this panel discussion on the most exciting, and affordable, technology the participants saw at the 2025 CSUN Assistive Technology Conference.
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Good credit can open doors to lower interest rates, better housing options, and even job opportunities. In this workshop, we'll explore how credit works, effective ways to manage debt, and actionable strategies to build or rebuild your credit score. Whether you're starting fresh or working toward improvement, you'll leave with a clear roadmap to healthier credit.
We learn about the Certified Accessibility Tester program from Tanner Gers, founder and Managing Director of AccessAbility Officer, whose vision is the US disabled unemployment rate is the same as the US unemployment rate. More powerful than these words? Tanner walks the talk. Over 80% of his team has a severe disability, and a large majority of these individuals are blind professionals who use screen readers. Everything AccessAbility Officer does is driven by their big vision. They just happen to help companies make their websites accessible, and get more people with disabilities jobs.
Tanner is also a National Beep Baseball Association 7-time NBBA All-Star and 3-time World Series MVP, US Paralympian in track and field, earning Gold at the Para Pan America Games in Guadalajara, a 2012 US Paralympic trials gold medalist, 2012 US Paralympic and 2013 World Championship team member, and the 2015 and 2016 National Champion in track cycling. Tanner has a Bachelors in Communications from the University of Arizona and MBA from Louisiana State University.
We're joined by Craig Co and Patrick Long, co-founders of Innosearch, e-commerce platform focused on making online shopping easy and enjoyable, especially for those with internet access challenges like blind or low-vision users. Innosearch offers millions of products and deals, and our site is fully accessible, working seamlessly with NVDA, Apple Voiceover, and other popular screen readers.
We'll find out how anyone who finds current e-commerce platforms too complicated to navigate can use Innosearch to shop online effortlessly with just a few clicks.
In December, Penny Forward and the Chicago Lighthouse announced a partnership to open the "My Tools for Living" shop featuring nearly 300 assistive technology and independent living products for people with blindness and low vision. This week, Penny Forward founder and CEO, Chris Peterson, interviews Patrick Andrade and Brian Bussard from the Chicago Lighthouse to learn more about this collaboration and how it can help you find the right tools while supporting Penny Forward.
Many of us start the new year with financial resolutions, but staying on track can be tough. This interactive webinar will explore strategies to help you stick to your goals and set yourself up for long-term success. We’ll discuss effective tracking methods, tips for staying motivated throughout the year, and how to adjust your plans as life changes. This webinar is ideal for people of all financial backgrounds and will highlight accessible tools and resources for people with blindness or low vision. Join us to make 2025 the year you take control of your finances with confidence.
This week, Penny Forward founder and CEO, Chris Peterson, talks about his goals for 2025 and some changes you'll see to Penny Forward throughout the coming year.
Have you always believed that you could only make a living if you went to college? George Wurtzel was the star of a 2018 Subaru Outback commercial, but he is also a blind woodworker and craftsman who believes that blind people can be successful in any type of job. In part 2 of a two part interview, we’ll learn how George’s talent and resilience helped him to succeed throughout his 50-year woodworking career, and what it was like to film that famous Subaru commercial.
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You can learn more about George by visiting his Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wurtzel or by visiting his web site, http://www.gmwurtzel.com/
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Have you always believed that you could only make a living if you went to college? George Wurtzel was the star of a 2018 Subaru Outback commercial, but he is also a blind woodworker and craftsman who believes that blind people can be successful in any type of job. In part 1 of a two part interview, we’ll learn how George’s talent and resilience helped him to succeed throughout his 50-year woodworking career, and what it was like to film that famous Subaru commercial.
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You can learn more about George by visiting his Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wurtzel or by visiting his web site, http://www.gmwurtzel.com/
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While the Penny Forward Podcast team is preparing for the holidays, we thought we'd re-run the last episode of 2021, we shared a recording of a Zoom call hosted by our friend Mo Carpenter. She runs a Facebook group for blind parents called "Parenting Out Of Sight Kids," and they host a biweekly zoom call discussing topics of interest to blind parents. During last month's call, we had a conversation about staying on budget during the holidays. And it was such an enjoyable conversation that we wanted to share it with you. So, while you are enjoying the holidays with your friends and family, or reaching out to those who may be feeling isolated from their friends and family, we hope you will enjoy this discussion about budgeting during the holidays.
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"I now find advocacy really rewarding, and I realize that it's a long game, and sometimes advocacy's going to feel like you're banging your head against a brick wall, but every so often, the wall moves just a little bit. So, there is hope, and it can get better, and that's why I do believe, very strongly, in the work that the NFB does. Because it has turned many lives around, including mine."
Join us as we talk with Jonathan Mosen from NFB.
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Guest: Jonathan Mosen
Jonathan's Email: jmosen@nfb.org
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Because of National Disability Employment Awareness Month, we wanted to focus on Penny Forward’s employment programs, so we brought on Jeremy Grandstaff, who leads our youth employment and advocacy programs, and is also the author of our Employment Essentials course, to talk about those things. In addition to his work with Penny Forward, Jeremy lives just outside Washington D.C, with his husband Jerry and their seeing eye dog Ozzy. Jeremy works for CurbCutOS as the VP of Business Development, focusing on bringing in new customers to help them develop accessible digital assets. And he is a strong champion of learning in the workplace about DEI initiatives.
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Guest: Jeremy Grandstaff with CurbCutOS
Jeremy Grandstaff Email: Jeremyg@curbcutos.com or Jeremy.Grandstaff@pennyforward.com
Phone: 202-810-5368
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James Boehm, Amanda Juetten, and Angus Kola from Kustom Canes, and the You Cane Give initiative, talk about their organizations and how they fund a need that's super important, and one we probably don't think about here in the United States, which is the needs of the blind and visually impaired in the rest of the world, who may not have access to something as simple as a long white cane.
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Guest: James Boehm, Amanda Juetten, Angus Kola from Kustom Canes and the You Cane Give initiative.
Kustom Cane Website: https://youcanegive.org/
Kustom Cane Email: KustomCane@gmail.com
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Learn about the founder of this startup and what it takes to make your dream turn into reality.
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In this episode, we have Richard Rueda, Katie Frederick, and Lori Scharff, not necessarily in that order, from the APH Connect Center, back on, as we do almost every year at about this time, to talk about the APH Connect Center. For those of you who are unaware of what that is, we’ll tell you in just a second. We’ll also find out what’s new at the APH Connect Center, and what people might be able to be expecting from the future.
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Episode Summary
This episode continues the conversation with Bill McCann, founder of Dancing Dots, exploring the pivotal moments that shaped his success as a blind entrepreneur. Bill recounts the nerve-wracking scramble of submitting a major grant during a snowstorm—an event that ultimately became a turning point for the company.
He shares the organic evolution of forming Dancing Dots, from learning business skills out of necessity to building a small but powerful team of collaborators, including his longtime colleague Albert and talented musicians like Matthew Whitaker. Bill explains how humility, resourcefulness, and knowing when to ask for help have been essential parts of entrepreneurship—especially as a blind business owner.
Bill also speaks candidly about balancing artistry with practicality: how blind musicians can fit music into their lives, why passion must be paired with a plan for sustainability, and the importance of keeping creativity alive even if music isn’t a primary income source.
The episode closes with a full overview of Dancing Dots’ products, training services, and Braille music resources—plus where listeners can go to learn more or get hands-on support.
Contact Info
Guest / Organization
Bill McCann — Founder, Dancing Dots
Website: https://www.dancingdots.com
Services: Braille music production, accessible notation software, Reaper/Logic/Pro Tools training, 30-minute consultation for audio accessibility, Braille music courses, temporary software trials.
Aftersight & Penny Forward
Penny Forward
Website: https://www.pennyforward.com
Phone: 888-332-5558
Services: Accessible financial education, business plan consulting, workshops, online courses, 1:1 financial counseling.
Aftersight (distribution partner)
Website: https://www.aftersight.org
Producer Credits
Produced by Chris Peterson and Liz Bottner
Audio editing & post-production by Jonathan Price
Music composed/performed by Andre Louis
Distributed in partnership with Aftersight
Chapter Markers
00:00 – Opening & Episode Setup
00:30 – Bill’s biggest early business scare
02:20 – The FedEx snowstorm story
04:15 – Relief, success, and key turning points
05:00 – How Dancing Dots organically formed
06:30 – Learning business skills without business school
07:55 – Finding collaborators & unexpected help
10:30 – Running a micro-business as a blind founder
13:00 – Humility, asking for help, and resourcefulness
15:20 – Creativity vs. structure: the balance of entrepreneurship
17:00 – Advice for blind musicians
19:45 – Fitting music into a sustainable life plan
22:20 – The state of the music industry
23:55 – Keeping creativity alive
24:50 – Dancing Dots services & training
25:40 – How to contact Bill
26:10 – Penny Forward services
27:00 – Closing credits