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We count down our top 25 AI products of 2025, from privacy-first chatbots to the coding model that changed everything. You'll hear about which tools democratized software development, why we picked one particular note-taking tool, and which products delivered outsize value for product teams this year.

Chapters:

00:00 - Starting the Top 25 Countdown

02:26 - #25 to #21

08:12 - #20 to #16

14:14 - #15 to #11

19:42 - #10 to #4

29:04 - #3

30:41 - #2

33:20 - #1

Sponsors:

N8N → n8n.io
Querio → https://querio.ai/demo

Merch:
Devil Wears Product → devilwearsproduct.shop

Links:

Outbond - https://outbond.ai/
Lumo - https://lumo.proton.me/about
Duck.ai - https://duck.ai/
AI Context Flow - https://plurality.network/blogs/ai-context-flow-for-ai-without-memory/
Meta SAM Audio - https://ai.meta.com/samaudio/
Gong - https://www.gong.io/
Suno - https://suno.com/
Gamma - https://gamma.app/
Linear - https://linear.app/homepage
Adobe Express - https://express.adobe.com/
Canva - https://www.canva.com/
Wisprflow - https://wisprflow.ai/
Aquavoice - https://aquavoice.com/
Superwhisper - https://superwhisper.com/
Granola - https://www.granola.ai/
Perplexity Comet - https://www.perplexity.ai/comet
Perplexity TikTok Acquisition News - https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-startup-perplexity-offers-buy-182958943.html
Dia Browser - https://www.diabrowser.com/
ChatGPT Atlas - https://chatgpt.com/atlas
DeepSeek - https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250120
Sora - https://sora.chatgpt.com/explore
Google Veo 3 - https://aistudio.google.com/models/veo-3
Wan.video - https://wan.video/
N8N - https://n8n.io/
ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io/
Gemini Image Generation - https://gemini.google/ca/overview/image-generation/
Perplexity - https://www.perplexity.ai/
Claude Code - https://claude.com/product/claude-code
OpenAI Codex - https://openai.com/codex/
Antigravity (Google) - https://antigravity.google/
Cursor - https://cursor.com/
Windsurf - https://windsurf.com/
Windsurf Community Post - https://community.openai.com/t/openai-is-acquiring-windsurf-for-3-billion/1253475
Reuters Windsurf Article - https://www.reuters.com/business/google-hires-windsurf-ceo-researchers-advance-ai-ambitions-2025-07-11/
Cognition Windsurf Blog - https://cognition.ai/blog/windsurf
Gemini - http://gemini.google.com/
Microsoft Copilot - https://copilot.microsoft.com/
Claude - https://claude.ai/
ChatGPT - https://chatgpt.com/
Lovable - https://lovable.dev/
Bolt - https://bolt.new/
Replit - https://replit.com/
V0 - https://v0.app/
NotebookLM - https://notebooklm.google.com/
NotebookLM Behind the Product - https://www.reddit.com/r/notebooklm/comments/1g0qp0n/behind_the_product_notebooklm_raiza_martin_senior/
Anthropic Claude 4 - https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-4
Anton Osika Tweet - https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fantonosika%2Fstatus%2F1926719161935233139&widget=Tweet
Lovable Claude 4 Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/lovable/comments/1kucygi/lovable_now_uses_claude_4/

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Learn to automate your email flow with your very first AI agent in under 10 minutes using N8N. No coding required. You'll learn how to create an executive assistant that can read your emails, check your calendar, and even draft responses, all while you wonder why you didn't automate this sooner.

Grab your free audit here (Limited spots available): https://bit.ly/audit_appointment_pandc

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to AI Agents
02:23 - Getting Started with N8N
04:05 - Choosing the Right AI Model
05:31 - Adding Tools: Gmail, Calendar, and Think Tool
07:25 - Creating the System Prompt
09:19 - Testing Your AI Agent

Business Use Cases/Applications

Build an AI assistant that accesses your email and calendar to draft responses, check unread messages, and manage scheduling without manual intervention
Deploy your agent through messaging platforms like WhatsApp or Telegram for on-the-go access via voice notes

Sponsors

Querio → querio.ai

Links

N8N - https://n8n.io
Querio - https://querio.ai
OpenAI - https://openai.com
Gmail - https://gmail.com
Google Calendar - https://calendar.google.com
WhatsApp - https://whatsapp.com
Telegram - https://telegram.org
N8N Workflow Template (mentioned in episode) - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-ILVLwujtJ4uB9a7n4lhDPl9uRWBkfnSWq9y3P2XhLY/edit?usp=sharing

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Building a complete dropship clothing store has never been so easy. Join David and Ilan as they create "Devil Wears Product", devilwearsproduct.shop their new Shopify store in under an hour using AI tools, learning that sometimes the old-school approach works better than the shiny new one. P.S. Use code "pandc" for 15% off your first order!

CHAPTERS

00:00 - Introduction and the Business Case for AI Stores

02:37 - Creating the Brand with Imagen

06:01 - Designing the Ugly Christmas Sweater with ChatGPT

09:41 - Setting Up Knitwise for Dropshipping

13:03 - The Lovable vs Shopify Showdown

17:19 - Going Old School and Getting the Store Live

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Use ChatGPT for product design images with text, as it now reliably renders typography and spelling correctly.
• Combine AI-generated designs with print-on-demand services like Knitwise for zero-inventory product businesses.
• Default to native platform tools like Shopify's built-in store builder when AI integrations create friction rather than removing it.

SPONSORS

Querio: Your AI data analyst → querio.ai

LINKS

Knitwise - https://www.knitwise.com

Lovable - https://lovable.dev

Shopify - https://www.shopify.com

Canva - https://www.canva.com

Adobe Express - https://www.adobe.com/express/

Google NotebookLM - https://notebooklm.google.com

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Description

David and Ilan take Outbond for a spin, the new "vibe GTM" tool from Christian Peverelli that promises to turn lead generation into a conversation with AI—complete with prospect scraping, Perplexity-powered research, and personalized outreach that's either the future of sales or another reason your inbox is about to get interesting.

Chapters

[00:22] - Introducing Outbond: The Vibe GTM Tool

[02:14] - Exploring the Landing Page and Pricing

[05:34] - Generating Prospects from a Website

[08:13] - Research Angles and Lead Enrichment

[10:39] - Creating Personalized Outreach Emails

[13:33] - Final Thoughts and Market Fit

Business Applications

• Generate targeted prospect lists by simply providing your website URL and letting the AI infer your ICP
• Enrich leads with custom research angles like organizational initiatives or hiring activity using Perplexity-powered deep research
• Export personalized email copy and contact data as CSV for mail merge workflows

Sponsors

Querio → querio.ai

Links

Outbond - https://outbond.ai/

WeAreNoCode YouTube (Christian Peverelli) - https://www.youtube.com/c/WeAreNoCode

Lovable - https://lovable.dev/

Lindy.ai - https://www.lindy.ai/

Perplexity - https://www.perplexity.ai/

Xing - https://www.xing.com/

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David and Ilan tackle a very practical problem of copyright flags on their podcast music by generating a new theme song with Suno. Along the way, they explore:

• How to get great prompts for AI tools using NotebookLM
• Suno's interesting PLG viral loops to help with RLHF
• Why the music industry has a lawsuit against Suno

Chapters

[00:16] - The Copyright Problem and AI Music Solution

[01:25] - Suno's $2.45 Billion Valuation

[02:05] - Crafting the Perfect Suno Prompt

[04:06] - Creating the Theme Song

[09:29] - Earning Credits Through Human Feedback

[12:02] - The Music Industry Lawsuit Against Suno

Sponsors

Querio: Your AI Data analyst → querio.ai

Links

Suno - https://suno.com/

NotebookLM - https://notebooklm.google.com/

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Sefunmi Osinaike, co-founder of Co.Lab and author of "How to Product," joins David and Ilan to explore his company's bold pivot from B2C to B2B, why distribution has become the real competitive moat in the AI era, and how to validate customer willingness to pay without building a single landing page.

CHAPTERS

[00:25] - Introduction and Welcome

[01:29] - Who is Sefunmi and Co.Lab's Evolution from B2C to B2B

[04:55] - Distribution is the New Moat in the AI Era

[19:06] - Validating Customer Willingness to Pay in B2B

[23:19] - AI Tools for Validation and Sales

GUEST

Sefunmi Osinaike - Co-Founder at Co.Lab | LinkedIn: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/sefunmiosinaike

SPONSORS

Querio → querio.ai

LINKS

Co.lab: https://www.joincolab.io/

The Mom Test: https://www.momtestbook.com/ 

$100M Leads: https://shop.acquisition.com/products/single-hardback 

Replit: https://replit.com/

Lovable: https://lovable.dev/

GPT: https://chatgpt.com/

Claude: https://claude.ai/ 

Exa: https://exa.ai/websets 

FIND US

Ilan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilan-rotenberg/ 

David: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dvuong/

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Description

Ilan goes solo to test AI Context Flow, a Chrome extension promising to end the endless copy-pasting of context between ChatGPT, Claude, and other AI tools. Does it actually work, or is it just adding to the chaos?

Chapters

[00:00] - Introduction and Episode Overview

[01:15] - AI Context Flow: What It Promises to Solve

[02:42] - Testing in ChatGPT: First Impressions

[06:05] - Moving to Claude: UX Bugs and Workarounds

[10:32] - Pricing Tiers and Final Recommendation

3 Key Takeaways

AI Context Flow solves a real problem: The Chrome extension lets you save context once and reuse it across ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity, eliminating repetitive copy-pasting between tools

The tool needs polish: While the core concept works, UX bugs require workarounds like clicking in and out to properly load saved contexts, and it's not yet available in all AI platforms

Best for specific users: Most valuable if you frequently switch tools with changing daily context; less useful if you already have a stable context library you can copy-paste

Sponsors

Querio → querio.ai

Links

AI Context Flow - https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ai-context-flow-improved/cfegfckldnmbdnimjgfamhjnmjpcmgnf

Plurality Network - https://plurality.network/

Product Hunt - https://www.producthunt.com/products/ai-context-flow

ChatGPT - https://chatgpt.com/

Claude - https://claude.ai/

Google AI Studio - https://aistudio.google.com/

Perplexity - https://www.perplexity.ai/

Mistral Le Chat - https://chat.mistral.ai/

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Description
David and Ilan break down Microsoft's ambitious Co-Pilot updates (including a feature Ilan swears they stole from him), compare AI browsers in real-time with one literally hallucinating its own downloads, and explore why OpenAI's restructuring might have you passing the same $10 bill around like a Three Stooges routine.

Chapters
[00:35] - Microsoft Fall Update and Co-Pilot Features
[04:39] - Real Talk Feature and Sycophantic AI
[08:43] - AI Browser Showdown: Comet vs Copilot in Edge
[10:56] - Security Vulnerabilities in AI Browsers
[12:53] - OpenAI's Restructuring and Going Public

Sponsors
Querio: never wait for product insights again → querio.ai

Links
Microsoft Fall Update - https://youtu.be/j4jXM8yTdnQ
Microsoft Fall Update blog post - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/blog/2025/10/23/human-centered-ai/ 
H1 - https://h1.co/ 
Perplexity Comet - https://www.perplexity.ai/comet
Comet Vulnerabilities pt. 1 - https://brave.com/blog/comet-prompt-injection/
Comet Vulnerabilities pt. 2 - https://brave.com/blog/unseeable-prompt-injections/ 
Atlas security vulnerability - https://www.esecurityplanet.com/news/openai-atlas-vulnerability/ 
3 Stooges bit - https://youtu.be/1aVYJ-krSMA?si=wu_Im8bkc95mgJvW&t=9 

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From Wix’s upsell hell and clunky prompts to Lovable and Base44’s near-perfect prompt adherence, the hosts break down what separates gimmicky automation from true AI leverage. If you’re building, shipping, or just curious how far AI website builders have come.  This episode is your filter for signal over noise.

CHAPTERS
[00:00] - Intro
[02:41] - The showdown starts
[03:03] - Wix
[12:00] - Lovable
[15:09] - Base 44
[18:33] - Conclusions

LINKS
Querio: Natural language analytics for your product team - https://bit.ly/panc_querio
Base 44 - https://base44.com/
Wix - https://www.wix.com/
Lovable - https://lovable.dev/ 

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MUSIC
Oleksandr Savochka

Click here to watch a video of this episode.

Most people think building a powerful AI copilot takes months of coding and a team of engineers, but in this episode Ilan shows how he built one in just one evening that could plan strategy, analyze competitors, write product documents, and even automate workflows. We break down exactly how to set up your system prompt, feed it real context, and use recursion to make it smarter with every iteration, plus how to turn it into a productivity machine that does the work of an entire product team. If you have ever wished for an AI business partner that actually thinks with you, this is the blueprint.

CHAPTERS

[00:00] - Introduction & Setting the Stage

[01:25] - Building an AI Copilot from Scratch

[09:30] - Enhancing the Copilot with Research & Requirements

[15:40] - Automations, Applications & Final Takeaways

LINKS

Querio: Natural language analytics for your product team - https://bit.ly/panc_querio

Tal Raviv’s post on Lenny’s Newsletter - https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-super-ic-pm-tal-raviv

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MUSIC

• Oleksandr Savochka

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Description

David and Ilan catch you up on the flurry of AI news from mid-October, from Anthropic's latest Sonnet release to OpenAI's Dev Days announcements. Plus, they dive deep into Sora 2's video generation capabilities and share the structured prompting techniques that actually work for creating multi-shot videos (including mountain-biking dogs).

Chapters

[00:38] - Anthropic Sonnet 4.5 and Full-Stack Coding Tools

[03:19] - Microsoft's Text-to-Audio Models

[06:09] - OpenAI's Big Announcements: Commerce, Sora 2, and Dev Days

[12:24] - AI Slop Goes Corporate and Lionsgate's Failed Experiment

[14:56] - Sora 2 Deep Dive and Video Creation Techniques

Sponsors

Querio: your AI data analyst → querio.ai

Links

Anthropic Claude - https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-5

Lovable - https://lovable.dev/cloud

Bolt - https://bolt.new/blog/bolt-v2

Microsoft Copilot Labs - https://copilot.microsoft.com/labs

OpenAI - https://openai.com/devday/

Sora - https://sora.chatgpt.com/

Runway & Lionsgate - https://3dvf.com/en/generative-ai-one-year-later-the-runway-lionsgate-alliance-faces-reality/
Deloitte & AU government - https://fortune.com/2025/10/07/deloitte-ai-australia-government-report-hallucinations-technology-290000-refund/

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Description

Ilan takes David on a deep dive into N8N, the workflow automation platform that's somehow worth $2.3 billion despite making developers set up Google API projects manually. They explore how this "Goldilocks" tool sits between Zapier's simplicity and full-on coding, with Ilan walking through his real-world workflow that automates LinkedIn posts from podcast episodes—complete with all the nerdy technical hurdles he encountered along the way.

Chapters

[00:28] - What is N8N and Why It Exists

[03:58] - N8N's Meteoric Rise and Funding Rounds

[06:38] - Pricing Model and Developer Community

[08:28] - How Workflows and Agents Work in N8N

[10:06] - Building a Real Workflow: LinkedIn Post Automation

[16:18] - Lessons Learned and Recommendations

Business Use Cases/Applications

Automated social media content creation workflow using webhooks, AI agents, and Google integrations to draft LinkedIn posts from podcast transcripts

Setting up custom API connections in Google Cloud Platform to enable N8N integrations with Drive and Gmail

Using N8N's code nodes to run custom JavaScript or Python for data transformation within workflows

Sponsors

Querio → https://querio.ai 

Links

N8N - https://n8n.io

Transistor - https://transistor.fm

Lindy AI - https://www.lindy.ai

Zapier - https://zapier.com

Sequoia Capital - https://www.sequoiacap.com

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Description

Ilan puts Lindy.ai to the test for podcast automation and customer discovery, only to find himself debugging workflows until 2 AM while his wife waits for date night. David and Ilan break down what works, what doesn't, and how Lindy compares to ChatGPT's agent mode.

Chapters

[00:00] - How Lindy Ruined Date Night

[03:34] - The Lindy Workflow Disaster

[08:11] - Pricing and Credits Problem

[13:17] - Integration Issues and Hallucinations

[23:00] - What Actually Works Well

[30:08] - Final Verdict and Alternatives

Sponsors

Querio → https://querio.ai 

Links

Lindy.ai - https://www.lindy.ai

Transistor - https://transistor.fm

N8N - https://n8n.io

Zapier - https://zapier.com

Crunchbase - https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/lindy

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Description
David and Ilan take you on a Nano Banana Bonanza and explore Google's viral image generation model. They tell you why it's creating such a buzz, how to use it effectively, and practical business applications beyond viral memes.

Chapters

• [00:00] - What is Nano Banana and Why the Hype?
• [02:26] - Identity Preservation: The Secret Sauce
• [04:22] - Live Demo: Creating a Tech CEO Meme
• [08:30] - When AI Struggles: Multiple People Problems
• [09:15] - Pro Tips for Better Results
• [11:17] - 91 Use Cases: Beyond the Basics
• [12:23] - Business Applications: Slides and Mockups
• [14:55] - Cost and Speed Advantages

Key Topics

• Identity Consistency: How Nano Banana preserves facial features across transformations
• Step-by-Step Approach: Breaking complex generations into manageable pieces
• Context Limitations: Why multiple people in scenes cause problems
• Business Applications: From presentation slides to app prototypes
• Speed vs Quality: Fast generation with reroll capabilities
• Natural Language Prompting: Less technical jargon required

Pro Tips

• Do complex edits one step at a time
• Extract elements (like clothing) separately before combining
• Use the reroll button liberally - variability is expected
• Fewer people in scenes = more consistent results
• Leverage the 91 examples repository for inspiration

Sponsor
Querio – AI-powered data analysis tool for natural language product queries  
→ Try it at querio.ai

Links

• Access Nano Banana: aistudio.google.com
• 91 Use Cases Repository: https://github.com/PicoTrex/Awesome-Nano-Banana-images/blob/main/README_en.md 
• E-boy image style examples: https://www.eboy.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoo4zi4NY619ErO9PV-Qobf6ClOBK3kjuuVyboNxhoPNlHf8eN2V

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David and Ilan dive into the news from the last week of AI and Vibe Coding, covering shifting partnerships between tech giants, breakthrough achievements in AI capabilities, and emerging concerns around safety and security.

Sponsor
Querio - AI agent for natural language data insights
https://querio.ai

Chapters

• 00:00 - OpenAI Diversifies: $300B Oracle Cloud Deal 
• 03:15 - Microsoft Chooses Anthropic Over OpenAI for Office 
• 05:26 - Claude's New File Creation and Team Memory Features 
• 06:38 - Google Report: 15% Productivity Gains (With Caveats) 
• 08:54 - Child Safety Concerns with Meta's AI Characters 
• 10:06 - Breaking: GPT-4.5 Passes the Turing Test 
• 12:59 - AI Models Enter Fashion: Synthetic Vogue Campaign 
• 16:15 - Security Alert: Claude Used in $17M Extortion Scheme 

Links

• OpenAI to use Oracle for compute: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-oracle-reportedly-ink-historic-190034718.html 
• Microsoft uses Anthropic for Office AI: https://www.reuters.com/business/microsoft-use-some-ai-anthropic-shift-openai-information-reports-2025-09-09/ 
• Claude can edit files: https://www.anthropic.com/news/create-files 
• Claude memory for teams: https://www.anthropic.com/news/memory 
• Google AI Cloud Trends Report: https://services.google.com/fh/files/misc/google_cloud_ai_trends.pdf 
• Meta AI safety report: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meta-ai-chatbot-guidelines/ 
• Regulators investigating Meta: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/technology/google-meta-chatgpt-ai-chatbots.html 
• UC San Diego Turing Test Study: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2503.23674 
• Vogue AI model ad: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgeqe084nn4o 
• Vibe Hacking with Claude: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna227309 

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CHAPTERS
[00:00] Intro
[02:33] Defining problems using AI
[06:07] Generating hypotheses using AI
[12:30] The Mom Test
[15:04] Next Steps

SPONSOR
Querio - https://bit.ly/panc_querio

LINKS
The Mom Test - https://www.momtestbook.com/
Music by Oleksandr Savochka

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DESCRIPTION David and Ilan catch you up on the latest AI news, covering OpenAI's new budget tier, why 95% of AI projects fail, and Google's impressive new image generation capabilities.

• OpenAI's $5 "Go tier" expands AI access globally
• Small language models finding their niche in manufacturing
• MIT report reveals harsh reality: 95% of AI projects fail
• World models represent the next evolution beyond LLMs
• Google's Nano Banana delivers lightning-fast image generation

CHAPTERS 
[00:00] - OpenAI's Go Tier: $5 AI for Global Markets 
[06:13] - Latam-GPT: Regional AI for Latin America

[07:13] - Small Language Models vs. LLMs 
[12:34] - MIT Report: Why 95% of AI Projects Fail 
[16:43] - Accenture CEO's Red Flags for AI Adoption 
[20:33] - World Models: Beyond Language Understanding 
[26:12] - Google's Nano Banana Image Generation Demo

KEY LINKS

• Small language models 
  • https://www.wired.com/story/why-researchers-are-turning-to-small-language-models/
  • https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-ai-edge-small-language-models-multimodality-rag-function-calling/
  • https://aimagazine.com/news/llms-vs-slms-how-ai-models-impact-sustainability
• World Models 
  • https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/aug/05/google-step-artificial-general-intelligence-deepmind-agi
  • https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/genie-3-a-new-frontier-for-world-models/
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyrDM3A_YFc&ab_channel=NVIDIADeveloper
  • Vsim https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/25/vsim-founded-by-nvidia-alums-raises-21-5m-for-robotics-simulation-tech/
• GPT Go 
  • https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/openai-chatgpt/openai-quietly-launches-chatgpt-go-in-limited-regions
  • https://x.com/btibor91/status/1955170910694183005
  • https://www.forbes.com/sites/rebeccasadwick/2020/06/22/how-to-price-products/
• Latam-GPT 
  • https://www.wired.com/story/latam-gpt-the-free-open-source-and-collaborative-ai-of-latin-america/
• 95% of AI project fail 
  • https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf
• Accenture CEO on failed AI projects 
  • https://fortune.com/2025/08/31/accenture-ceo-julie-sweet-ai-advice-success/
• Nano Banana
  • https://blog.google/products/gemini/updated-image-editing-model/

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Welcome to season 2! In this season, David and Ilan are exploring the process of becoming an AI native product team by building a product from scratch using AI tools along the way. This week, you’ll get to hear about how they’re thinking of building a product and how deep research does just a mediocre job at coming up with business ideas.

Chapters

00:13 Building in Public: The Journey Begins

03:36 Exploring Problem Discovery

10:54 Niche Markets and Personal Interests

15:30 Evaluating GPT-Generated Problems

24:53 Sustainability and Consumer Choices

31:29Exploring AI Tools for Discovery

LINKS

Ilan’s product for teachers: https://teachr.me/

Bastion Cycles: https://bastioncycles.com/

Allura Red - https://web.archive.org/web/20170502145045/https://www.fda.gov/downloads/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/FoodAdvisoryCommittee/UCM248549.pdf

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Music: Oleksandr Savochka

Nabeel Khan shares his journey from operations manager to Amazon's youngest Senior PM, and why he believes product management will thrive alongside AI development.

What we cover:

• Career progression from warehouse operations to senior product leadership
• Why product management fundamentals remain critical as AI tools evolve
• The emergence of "vibe coding" in PM interviews and what it means
• How AI prototyping tools are changing product development workflows
• Practical advice for growing your PM career in an AI-integrated workplace

CHAPTERS

[00:00] - Introduction to Nabeel
[08:03] - The Future of Product Management

[24:23] - Getting Hired and Hiring Strategies

LINKS

Nabeel Khan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nabeel-y-khan/

Nabeel’s company: Nayru - https://www.linkedin.com/company/trynayru/

Madhu Guru - Google moving from a writing first culture to a building-first one: https://x.com/realmadhuguru/status/1950336434126336154?s=46&t=ipsnrJAOf8pNNhup0-xHnQ

Vibe coding interview post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nabeel-y-khan_google-tech-productmanagement-activity-7349447677396312065-AyIo?utm_medium=ios_app&rcm=ACoAAA1kDVQBLeuCVf2Li66BAzt9_K3rn_283dU&utm_source=social_share_send&utm_campaign=copy_link

Jobs to be done: https://www.christenseninstitute.org/theory/jobs-to-be-done/

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DESCRIPTION

Ilan interviews Rami, co-founder of Querio, about his journey from Amazon operations to product management to founding an AI-enabled startup. Rami drops knowledge on what PMs need to know when starting a company.

• From warehouse operations to Alexa PM to AI startup founder
• Building Querio: AI-native business intelligence platform
• The art of "un-AI-ing" - when to remove AI from workflows
• Shape Up framework and startup product development
• Real AI workflows that actually help product teams

CHAPTERS

[00:00] - Rami's background: From Amazon warehouses to Alexa PM

[10:48] - Founding Querio and startup lessons learned

[19:39] - Querio demo: AI-powered data queries in action

[27:40] - "Un-AI-ing" your product and AI philosophy

[34:39] - Shape Up framework and where to find Rami

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SPONSORS

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LINKS

Reid Hoffman quote - https://x.com/reidhoffman/status/847142924240379904?lang=en 

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