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Real Seekers
Real Seeker Ministries
636 episodes
3 days ago
I'm a person sincerely interested in seeking religious truth, for years I studied and did my best to seek out the truth about God's existence, the existence and nature of the afterlife and which religion might be true and/or endorsed by God. At the end of my searching, I came to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that God wants me to follow and believe. I hope to help other "real seekers" in their journey to finding the same truth that I did. I can be reached via email at realseekerministry@gmail.com
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I'm a person sincerely interested in seeking religious truth, for years I studied and did my best to seek out the truth about God's existence, the existence and nature of the afterlife and which religion might be true and/or endorsed by God. At the end of my searching, I came to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that God wants me to follow and believe. I hope to help other "real seekers" in their journey to finding the same truth that I did. I can be reached via email at realseekerministry@gmail.com
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Prof. Tavo San Abri's New 10 Minimal Facts on Christianity- (w/ 2 Atheistic Skeptics)

The infamous Atheist YouTuber, Paulogia, once claimed to have ended Dr. Gary Habermas' career through his "Minimal Witnesses Hypothesis" (which supposedly accounted for Gary's 6 "Minimal Facts"). Previously on Real Seekers, the former Atheistic, now leaning Christian, Professor Tavo San Abri came on my show to give the lie to Paulogia's over-exaggerated claims; he clearly demonstrated several deficiencies in the "12 Mundane Events" that Paulogia lays out. It would seem that the only career ended that day, was that of Paulogia's own- heck, even Alex O'Conner just recently turned his back on the whole Minimal Witnesses schtick!Having demonstrated Paulogia's utter failure in this regard, Prof. Tavo now returns and wishes to present his own list of 10 Minimal Facts accounting for Christianity, proving the incredibly unique and amazing nature of Jesus Christ and the origins of the Christian faith which he founded compared to all the other world religions and their rather unremarkable founders.Tavo and I are joined by two incredibly smart and charitable Agnostic Resurrection skeptics, Juan from Modern Atheism and Kevin Nontradicath, to probe and challenge Tavo's arguments.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/01/evaluating-paulogias-minimal-witnesses-hypothesis-again-w-prof-tavo-san-abri/

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4 days ago
2 hours 44 minutes 28 seconds

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Shroud Wars: Evaluating Michael J. Alter & his Shroud Chapter Part 3 + Resurrection Scholarly Survey

The Jewish independent researcher, Michael J. Alter, has been a vocal critic of Gary Habermas' scholarly consensus criterion for his "Minimal Facts Approach". Additionally, he has written a chapter on the Shroud of Turin in his book, The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One, whereby he evaluates the Shroud evidence on 13 topics.In Part 3, we finish Alter's take on the final 4 Shroud related topics but first we cover Alter's main research on Gary's Minimal Facts Approach and assess his work looking at the data from all the English books on Jesus' Resurrection.RSM Blog (with my slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/17/shroud-wars-evaluating-skeptic-michael-j-alter-his-shroud-chapter/

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5 days ago
1 hour 50 minutes 47 seconds

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Shroud Wars: Evaluating Skeptic Michael J. Alter & his Shroud Chapter (Part 2)

The Jewish independent researcher, Michael J. Alter, has been a vocal critic of Gary Habermas' scholarly consensus criterion for his "Minimal Facts Approach". Additionally, he has written a chapter on the Shroud of Turin in his book, The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One, whereby he evaluates the Shroud evidence on 13 topics.In Part 2, we cover Alter's take on Shroud topics #4-9; iv) The Fabric/Textile Evidence v) The Limestone Dirt Particles, vi) Bloodstains, vii) Flowers & Pollen, viii) Anatomical Features and, ix) The Artistic Evidence.RSM Blog (with my slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/17/shroud-wars-evaluating-skeptic-michael-j-alter-his-shroud-chapter/

Alter's Book with Shroud chapter called, "The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One" = https://wipfandstock.com/979838521750.... His other book, A Thematic Access-Oriented Bibliography of Jesus’s Resurrection, is 50% off until Nov 30th. Use code CONFSHIP at checkout. If you select Media Mail, shipping is free = https://wipfandstock.com/978172525273...

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1 week ago
1 hour 32 minutes 39 seconds

Real Seekers
Shroud Wars: Evaluating Skeptic Michael J. Alter & his Shroud Chapter (Part 1)

The Jewish independent researcher, Michael J. Alter, has been a vocal critic of Gary Habermas' scholarly consensus criterion for his "Minimal Facts Approach". Additionally, he has written a chapter on the Shroud of Turin in his book, The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One, whereby he evaluates the Shroud evidence on 13 topics.In Part 1, we cover Alter's take on the first three Shroud topics; i) The 1988 C-14 Dating, ii) The D'Arcis Memo and, iii) The Hungarian Pray Codex.RSM Blog (with my slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/17/shroud-wars-evaluating-skeptic-michael-j-alter-his-shroud-chapter/

Alter's Book with Shroud chapter called, "The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One" = https://wipfandstock.com/979838521750.... His other book, A Thematic Access-Oriented Bibliography of Jesus’s Resurrection, is 50% off until Nov 30th. Use code CONFSHIP at checkout.  If you select Media Mail, shipping is free = https://wipfandstock.com/978172525273...

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1 week ago
2 hours 39 minutes 43 seconds

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Analysis of Daniel (Muslim) vs. Sam Shamon Debate

Daniel, the Quran-only Muslim, recently had a debate with the famous Christian apologist and Islamic debater Sam Shamoun. Popular opinion has it that Sam mopped the floor with Daniel and hence, Daniel wished to invite me on to provide an objective discussion and assessment of the debate.The debate itself got a little heated and personal at times and hence, having respect for both Daniel (as an online friend) and Sam (as a fellow brother in Christ), I wanted to do my best to stick to my assessment of the substantive arguments made, while at the same time being as fair as I could to both sides when asked about more personal issues.I hope I provided something edifying for all involved on this.

The original debate itself = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQB-oeRmsNs&t=3sRSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/08/jesus-or-muhammed-debating-the-fulfillment-of-the-prophecies-in-daniel-2-7/

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1 week ago
2 hours 35 minutes 59 seconds

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DEBATE: Is Blood Biblically Necessary for Atonement (w/ Dale Glover vs. Daniel the Muslim)

I debate Daniel the Quran-only Muslim on the Biblical necessity of blood in the atonement of our sins. Michael Lofton from the Reason & Theology podcast was kind enough to be the moderator again.RSM Blog (with my slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/14/debate-is-blood-biblically-necessary-for-atonement-w-dale-glover-vs-daniel-the-muslim/

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1 week ago
2 hours 1 minute 45 seconds

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Debate Follow Up: Jesus or Muhammed in Daniel 2 & 7

Daniel (the Muslim) felt unsatisfied with our debate on Daniel 2 & 7 and asked if I could come on his show to do a follow up discussion on several issues that weren't fully covered during the debate proper itself.RSM Blog (with free sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/08/jesus-or-muhammed-debating-the-fulfillment-of-the-prophecies-in-daniel-2-7/

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2 weeks ago
1 hour 46 minutes 13 seconds

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Jesus or Muhammed: Debating the Fulfillment of the Prophecies in Daniel 2 & 7

We're back! Dale vs. Daniel the Quran-only Muslim and this time we are debating the prophecies in Daniel 2 and 7 of the Bible; are these predicting the spiritual kingdom of Jesus Christ (as per Christianity) or Muhammed and Islamic Empire?May God's truth prevail :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/08/jesus-or-muhammed-debating-the-fulfillment-of-the-prophecies-in-daniel-2-7/

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2 weeks ago
1 hour 50 minutes 34 seconds

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Evaluating Paulogia's "Minimal Witnesses Hypothesis" Again- (w/ Prof. Tavo San Abri)

The Atheist YouTubers Paulogia and the Rabyd Atheist are in cahoots and at it again folks! In this charged climate of skeptical quote twisting and devilish distortions of the truth to suit Atheistic agendas, I'm joined by an unbiased Atheist with Christian leanings, Prof. Tavo San Abri, to assess Paulogia's "Minimal Witnesses Hypothesis"- a theory I'm told by virtually all online Atheists, is the best natural theory on the net. Yet this hypothesis utterly fails to accomplish its stated purpose of providing a possible account for all 6 of Gary's Minimal Facts (among other "established historical facts").Unfortunately, Paulogia's "Minimal Witnesses" hypothesis doesn't provide what it promises; namely, a possible account for the known facts, unlike other natural hypotheses such as James Fodor's hypothesis which does. Heck, even I as a Christian, could put my skeptical hat on and come up with a better theory than Paulogia did after years of supposed research on his end!Beyond that, Paulogia's theory is woefully inadequate on a factual level and highly implausible and improbable to be true in reality and hence why I've invited Prof. Tavo San Abri here to help me further expose the theory's many deficiencies- enjoy :)See Tavo's original devastating take down video of Paulogia's "Minimal Witnesses" hypothesis here =    • The evidence against@Paulogia's minimal wi...  RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/01/evaluating-paulogias-minimal-witnesses-hypothesis-again-w-prof-tavo-san-abri/

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3 weeks ago
2 hours 16 minutes 54 seconds

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Trinity Monotheism Debate Review: Jake the Muslim Metaphysician vs. Me (Dale the Real Seeker)

Alright, as promised, I wanted to post up my follow up review of my debate with Jake the Muslim Metaphysician on the logical and metaphysical coherence of the Trinity Monotheism model as first discovered by Dr. William Lane Craig. The debate went great and I really appreciated the 4 arguments presented by Jake and thus I wanted to do my best to give them a deeper look beyond what we did in the debate itself as well as go over the Pro-Trinitarian argument I provided from actualized selfless love.Enjoy :)RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/26/is-trinity-monotheism-logically-metaphysically-coherent-jake-brancatella-vs-dale-glover-bonus-debate-review/

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1 month ago
3 hours 8 minutes 27 seconds

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Is "Trinity Monotheism" Logically & Metaphysically Coherent (Jake Brancatella vs Dale Glover)

I was a guest on the Reason and Theology Podcast to debate Jake Brancatella (aka. The Muslim Metaphysician) on the topic of whether Dr. Craig's "Trinity Monotheism" philosophical model is a logically and metaphysically coherent concept.I argue the affirmative case and Jake provides 4 arguments against the Trinity's coherence on this front.** Note: That I am preparing a debate review to go over some of the most important topics raised in this debate and to provide a follow up assessment. **Enjoy :)RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/26/is-trinity-monotheism-logically-metaphysically-coherent-jake-brancatella-vs-dale-glover-bonus-debate-review/

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1 month ago
2 hours 16 minutes 47 seconds

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Discussing the Neuroscience of Consciousness (with Dr. Trevor Lohman & the Atheist Darren Lute)

Christian neuroscientist, Dr. Trevor Lohman, rejoins me to discuss the topic of consciousness through the lens of the data from neuroscience with Atheist and skeptical physicalist Darren Lute (from the Skeptics and Seekers podcast).This promises to be a respectful yet very insightful convo- make sure to tune in :)


RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/23/discussing-the-neuroscience-of-consciousness-with-dr-trevor-lohman-the-atheist-darren-lute/

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1 month ago
1 hour 41 minutes 56 seconds

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"Shroud Pilled"- (with Neuroscientist Dr. Trevor Lohman)

Attention Atheists and Shroud skeptics! The evidence is in, it is now time that every rational unbeliever become Shroud Pilled. That is the name of a new book giving a neutral and fully objective survey of the Shroud evidence for and against its authenticity by Dr. Trevor Lohman, a self described Shroud Agnostic who leans toward the Pro-Shroud side- see his book now available for purchase on Amazon starting today, October 18th 2025 :)Trevor Lohman is a clinical neuroscience researcher specializing in the relationship between the cardiovascular system and neurological health. Since childhood, he has been fascinated with science and technology. With the wisdom that only age can bring, he now sees the immense value in studying history, philosophy, and theology too. He currently lives in Los Angeles with his wife and two children and enjoys trying to find the intersection between science and belief with his work.Amazon Link to His Shroud Pilled book = https://www.amazon.com/Shroud-Pilled-...Also see his other book, "God's Eye View, which proves God exists based on his extensive knowledge in neuroscience = https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Eye-View-...RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/18/shroud-pilled-with-neuroscientist-dr-trevor-lohman/

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1 month ago
1 hour 28 minutes 52 seconds

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The Shroud in the Third Millennium: Confronting the Limits of Human Knowledge (Dr. Cheryl White)

I'm joined by returning guest, historian Dr. Cheryl White, to talk philosophy and the Shroud in her new upcoming book (to be released by the end of November from Westbow Press). The Shroud represents an enigma or mystery which warrants the conclusion it serves as a sign to us. In this episode we go over the logic of such a conclusion vs. a mere fallacious appeal to God-of-the-gaps type reasoning.Enjoy the show Shroud fans :)Cheryl White's New Website = https://shroudstudiesproject.org/RSM Blog (with free sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/16/the-shroud-in-the-third-millennium-confronting-the-limits-of-human-knowledge-dr-cheryl-white/

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1 month ago
1 hour 2 minutes 50 seconds

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Allan Ruhl Show #2: Jewish Myths About Christian Persecution in History

Allan Ruhl returns to the show to follow up on a comment from a skeptic on his first show's claim that Christians were persecuted by Jews mostly during the first 1000 years of its history and that the typical Jewish claim that Christians have persecuted and oppressed the Jews for 2000 years is made up nonsense based on nothing but anti-Christian bias!Enjoy :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/09/03/addressing-jewish-myths-about-christianity-w-historian-allan-ruhl/

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1 month ago
1 hour 47 minutes 23 seconds

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Animal Suffering & Consciousness- with Omar Fakhoury

In the previous debate on God's existence between Phil Bair and Juan from Modern Atheism, the side topic of animal pain and suffering came up. I removed that section of the debate (10 mins or less total) at the request of both of the debaters to focus in on the main topic of debate.


However, Omar was passionate about the subject and wanted to discuss it further with me- here is the conversation we had!


**Note: There was a technical glitch with Zoom right in the beginning and so I didn't get the very introduction (first 2-3 mins or so) of the show and that part is left off. Again, all of the substantive parts are left in and only my customary 2-3 min introduction is missing of the show. My apologies **


RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/07/debate-does-god-exist-with-phil-bair-christian-vs-juan-modern-atheism/

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1 month ago
2 hours 23 minutes 34 seconds

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Debate: Does God Exist with Phil Bair (Christian) vs. Juan (Modern Atheism)

Phil Bair returns to debate the existence of God with a newcomer to the channel, Juan from the Modern Atheism channel. They debate over the Problem of suffering, the Argument for God from Evil, the Argument from God from Human Personhood and the Argument for God from rational knowledge. Former Hindu now leaning toward Christian Theism, Omar Fakhoury, joins me as a co-host for this one and throws in his two cents in towards the end.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/07/debate-does-god-exist-with-phil-bair-christian-vs-juan-modern-atheism/

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1 month ago
2 hours 36 minutes 16 seconds

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Gary Habermas Responds to the Skeptics on his "On the Resurrection" (Vol. 3- Scholarly Perspectives)

My friend and Resurrection scholar, Dr. Gary Habermas, returns to the show to various objections and criticisms regarding his recently published Vol. 3 on the Resurrection as raised by skeptical scholars and popularizers alike.Gary provides clear and sound answers to these skeptics in full accordance with 1 Peter 3:15 and I believe tackles them in such a way as to leave no doubt regarding his immense knowledge and sound scholarship on this front- Vol. 3 on the various Scholarly Perspectives is an amazing resource for Resurrection research regardless of what the skeptical naysayers may try to say to the contrary!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/05/16/the-ultimate-resurrection-panel-celebrating-the-legacy-of-gary-habermas/


Gary's Volume 3 Book = https://www.amazon.com/Scholarly-Perspectives-3-Resurrection/dp/1087778646

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1 month ago
2 hours 4 minutes

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God, the Science, the Evidence Book- with Olivier Bonnassies

Co-author and fellow Christian Olivier Bonnassies joins me to talk about his European best selling book coming out on Oct 14th in North America providing the latest scientific evidence for the existence of God from a total of 12 different scientific disciplines. This one is a must watch as Olivier and his co-author interviewed over 100 Nobel Prize winners in researching for the book and even the famous Christian mathematician, Dr. John Lennox, has highly recommended the book!P.S.- For Shroud fans, I ask him toward the end about his take on the Shroud of Turin, stay tuned for his expert opinion.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/02/god-the-science-the-evidence-book-with-olivier-bonnassies/


Book Website (Available on Oct 14th) = https://www.godthesciencetheevidence.com/book/

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1 month ago
49 minutes 8 seconds

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Harry Stark: Acts of the Apostles

Here's Harry's take on the Biblical book of Acts.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/01/09/harry-stark-shows-2025/

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1 month ago
21 minutes 11 seconds

Real Seekers
I'm a person sincerely interested in seeking religious truth, for years I studied and did my best to seek out the truth about God's existence, the existence and nature of the afterlife and which religion might be true and/or endorsed by God. At the end of my searching, I came to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that God wants me to follow and believe. I hope to help other "real seekers" in their journey to finding the same truth that I did. I can be reached via email at realseekerministry@gmail.com