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Real Seekers
Real Seeker Ministries
645 episodes
2 days ago
I'm a person sincerely interested in seeking religious truth, for years I studied and did my best to seek out the truth about God's existence, the existence and nature of the afterlife and which religion might be true and/or endorsed by God. At the end of my searching, I came to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that God wants me to follow and believe. I hope to help other "real seekers" in their journey to finding the same truth that I did. I can be reached via email at realseekerministry@gmail.com
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I'm a person sincerely interested in seeking religious truth, for years I studied and did my best to seek out the truth about God's existence, the existence and nature of the afterlife and which religion might be true and/or endorsed by God. At the end of my searching, I came to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that God wants me to follow and believe. I hope to help other "real seekers" in their journey to finding the same truth that I did. I can be reached via email at realseekerministry@gmail.com
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Maximal vs. Minimal/Moderate Fact Approaches w/ Lydia McGrew + Harry Stark Bonus on John Chrysostom

Lydia McGrew joins me again to discuss some of her substantive problems with the Minimal and Moderate Facts Approaches in favour of using a Maximal Facts Approach. Lydia and I have some disagreements where we are not on the same page on every issue, yet we will always be on the same team serving Christ. As a bonus at the end, Harry Stark productions provides a brief clip of a Jewish Christian defending John Chrysostom against Jewish claims that he was a racist pig. The truth is the exact opposite!RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/01/08/maximal-vs-minimal-moderate-facts-approach-w-lydia-mcgrew-harry-stark-bonus-on-john-chrysostom/

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3 days ago
1 hour 42 minutes 18 seconds

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Happy New Year: Rabyd Atheist's "Rancor Seeker" + Harry Stark Art Parodies (Double Feature)

Happy New Year Real Seekers! We have a jam packed January full of shows and special guests, but I just wanted to start the year off with a short video giving a Biblical response to the Rabyd Atheist who has taken it upon himself to rechristen me as "Rancor Seeker" in order to include me in his childish Star Wars inspired Atheistic fantasy world. While such juvenile jovialities are amusingly trivial to me, I felt providing a Scriptural response to such antics would be an appropriate and edifying way to kick off the year 2026 on Real Seekers by way of a response.After that short 5 min lesson in morality for Rabyd and his Atheist fans, we turn back to a special double feature of looking at art parodies in contemporary culture from Harry Stark- I confess I'm not sure what the relevant point is related to Christianity or apologetics, but maybe someone more familiar with the video games involved would have a better idea.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/01/05/happy-new-year-rabyd-atheists-rancor-seeker-harry-stark-art-parodies-double-feature/

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6 days ago
12 minutes 36 seconds

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Reason & Theology DEBATE: Did Jesus Rise from the Dead? (w/ Juan from Modern Atheism vs. Phil Bair)

Juan from the Modern Atheism channel and Phil Bair (Christian) return to Michael Lofton's channel to debate the question of "Did Jesus Rise from the dead?".Enjoy :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/26/reason-theology-debate-did-jesus-rise-from-the-dead-w-juan-from-modern-atheism-vs-phil-bair/

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2 weeks ago
2 hours 16 minutes 53 seconds

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The Shroud Puzzle Solved- w/ William West

Fan of the Podcast, Mark B. from the UK, requested I bring on Pro-Shroud journalist, William West, who has written three books on the Shroud and has argued that the Shroud presents us with evidence that fit together like pieces of a puzzle; culminating in proving the miraculous Resurrection of Jesus!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/19/the-shroud-puzzle-solved-w-william-west/

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3 weeks ago
1 hour 6 minutes 15 seconds

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Shroud Wars Debate: Bob Rucker, Tom McAvoy vs. James Fodor & Nathan Ormond (Digital Gnosis)

Over a year ago, I was invited to come on Nathan Ormond's (Digital Gnosis) channel to speak on the Shroud of Turin and at some point Bob Rucker and Tom McAvoy's research came up and I felt I didn't do the best job defending their great work.Hence, I figured, why not schedule a Round 2 and have Bob and Tom engage directly with Nathan and James themselves to defend their own work.Enjoy and Merry Christmas to all :)

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4 weeks ago
3 hours 54 minutes 46 seconds

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Troubling Trends of Shroud Scholarship- w/ Jack Markwardt

Pro-Shroud historian, Jack Markwardt, returns to the Shroud Wars to provide a meta-analysis of some of the troubling recent developments happening in Shroud scholarship. He has found that several people are claiming to be Shroud experts on YouTube and in popular level presentations of the Shroud of Turin, but they consistently misstate the facts, lack depth of knowledge and/or fail to support primary research on the Shroud and thus unintentionally damage the reputation of proper Shroud studies as it has been known for the past 40-50 years.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/12/troubling-trends-of-shroud-scholarship-w-jack-markwardt/

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1 month ago
3 hours 50 minutes 51 seconds

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Defending Gary Habermas- Answering Christian Objections to Vol. 3

The Atheist YouTubers, Paulogia and the Rabyd Atheist, have recently been on an unrelenting persecution campaign against Dr. Gary Habermas; desperate to undermine his scholarly research supporting the Resurrection in any way they possibly can! However, with Paulogia's most recent propaganda video, it has come to my attention that it is not only the Atheists and skeptics who find fault with Gary, it seems that even some fellow Christian apologists and researchers have likewise taken issue with Gary's most recent Volume 3 of his Magnum Opus.Given, that I have a great deal of respect for many of these Christians and, in some cases, I am proud to say that I'm friends with them personally, I felt I owed it to Gary and to them, to switch the focus of my "Round 4" response (as Paulogia calls it) from exposing the hypocrisy of the Atheists and skeptics on this front, to instead sincerely try my best to resolve the objections raised by these fellow Christian brothers and sisters. When faced with a trilemma of explanations whereby either Gary is a liar, lunatic or leader, I think I demonstrate rather conclusively that Gary is neither a liar nor a lunatic and thus he is a true leader in the Christian church! I think such a demonstration is clear to all once one applies the principle of charity to all sides involved. Thus, I truly believe we can all remain united as the one true body of Christ in our efforts to withstand the attacks of the devil through our commitment to truth, unity and charity to one another.RSM Blog (w/ my Slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/07/defending-gary-habermas-answering-christian-objections/

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1 month ago
3 hours 10 minutes 10 seconds

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Phil Bair- His New Book, "Deconstructing Junk Theology"

Phil Bair invited me on his show to discuss several topics in his new book, Deconstructing Junk Theology. We go over, Faith vs. doubts, YEC vs. OEC, Genesis 1-11 as the Mytho-history genre, and the role of women. Phil and I have some disagreements, so look out for an interesting discussion.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/05/phil-bair-his-new-book-deconstructing-junk-theology/

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1 month ago
2 hours 33 minutes 43 seconds

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Theresa Rowe on Faith, Fitness & Holiday Wellness

National Christian Fitness expert Theresa Rowe, founder of Shaped by Faith—the faith-based fitness ministry dedicated to strengthening spirit, mind, and body for God’s purposes joins me to discuss her upcoming book "Shaped by Faith 40-Day Devotional" and her fitness-based ministry.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/04/theresa-rowe-on-faith-fitness-holiday-wellness/

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1 month ago
56 minutes 15 seconds

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DEBATE: Did the Universe Begin to Exist (Christian Phil Bair vs. Modern Atheism) + Colouring Book

First I start off with an advertisement for Eemma Summer's Cozy Christian Mandala Coloring Book for Christians with a more artistic creativity and like to serve God in that way (see first 10 mins).Amazon.com Link = https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G2RJ8DN8Then, we jump straight into the main event, a debate on the Reason and Theology podcast between Christian Phil Bair (from the Cross to Bair Podcast) and the Agnostic Juan (from the Modern Atheism Podcast) on the question of whether the universe began to exist at some finite point in the past or existed eternally in the past.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/29/debate-did-the-universe-begin-to-exist-christian-phil-bair-vs-modern-atheism-colouring-book/

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1 month ago
2 hours 5 minutes 27 seconds

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Prof. Tavo San Abri's New 10 Minimal Facts on Christianity- (w/ 2 Atheistic Skeptics)

The infamous Atheist YouTuber, Paulogia, once claimed to have ended Dr. Gary Habermas' career through his "Minimal Witnesses Hypothesis" (which supposedly accounted for Gary's 6 "Minimal Facts"). Previously on Real Seekers, the former Atheistic, now leaning Christian, Professor Tavo San Abri came on my show to give the lie to Paulogia's over-exaggerated claims; he clearly demonstrated several deficiencies in the "12 Mundane Events" that Paulogia lays out. It would seem that the only career ended that day, was that of Paulogia's own- heck, even Alex O'Conner just recently turned his back on the whole Minimal Witnesses schtick!Having demonstrated Paulogia's utter failure in this regard, Prof. Tavo now returns and wishes to present his own list of 10 Minimal Facts accounting for Christianity, proving the incredibly unique and amazing nature of Jesus Christ and the origins of the Christian faith which he founded compared to all the other world religions and their rather unremarkable founders.Tavo and I are joined by two incredibly smart and charitable Agnostic Resurrection skeptics, Juan from Modern Atheism and Kevin Nontradicath, to probe and challenge Tavo's arguments.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/01/evaluating-paulogias-minimal-witnesses-hypothesis-again-w-prof-tavo-san-abri/

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1 month ago
2 hours 44 minutes 28 seconds

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Shroud Wars: Evaluating Michael J. Alter & his Shroud Chapter Part 3 + Resurrection Scholarly Survey

The Jewish independent researcher, Michael J. Alter, has been a vocal critic of Gary Habermas' scholarly consensus criterion for his "Minimal Facts Approach". Additionally, he has written a chapter on the Shroud of Turin in his book, The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One, whereby he evaluates the Shroud evidence on 13 topics.In Part 3, we finish Alter's take on the final 4 Shroud related topics but first we cover Alter's main research on Gary's Minimal Facts Approach and assess his work looking at the data from all the English books on Jesus' Resurrection.RSM Blog (with my slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/17/shroud-wars-evaluating-skeptic-michael-j-alter-his-shroud-chapter/

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1 month ago
1 hour 50 minutes 47 seconds

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Shroud Wars: Evaluating Skeptic Michael J. Alter & his Shroud Chapter (Part 2)

The Jewish independent researcher, Michael J. Alter, has been a vocal critic of Gary Habermas' scholarly consensus criterion for his "Minimal Facts Approach". Additionally, he has written a chapter on the Shroud of Turin in his book, The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One, whereby he evaluates the Shroud evidence on 13 topics.In Part 2, we cover Alter's take on Shroud topics #4-9; iv) The Fabric/Textile Evidence v) The Limestone Dirt Particles, vi) Bloodstains, vii) Flowers & Pollen, viii) Anatomical Features and, ix) The Artistic Evidence.RSM Blog (with my slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/17/shroud-wars-evaluating-skeptic-michael-j-alter-his-shroud-chapter/

Alter's Book with Shroud chapter called, "The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One" = https://wipfandstock.com/979838521750.... His other book, A Thematic Access-Oriented Bibliography of Jesus’s Resurrection, is 50% off until Nov 30th. Use code CONFSHIP at checkout. If you select Media Mail, shipping is free = https://wipfandstock.com/978172525273...

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1 month ago
1 hour 32 minutes 39 seconds

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Shroud Wars: Evaluating Skeptic Michael J. Alter & his Shroud Chapter (Part 1)

The Jewish independent researcher, Michael J. Alter, has been a vocal critic of Gary Habermas' scholarly consensus criterion for his "Minimal Facts Approach". Additionally, he has written a chapter on the Shroud of Turin in his book, The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One, whereby he evaluates the Shroud evidence on 13 topics.In Part 1, we cover Alter's take on the first three Shroud topics; i) The 1988 C-14 Dating, ii) The D'Arcis Memo and, iii) The Hungarian Pray Codex.RSM Blog (with my slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/17/shroud-wars-evaluating-skeptic-michael-j-alter-his-shroud-chapter/

Alter's Book with Shroud chapter called, "The Resurrection and Its Apologetics Jesus’ Death and Burial, Volume One" = https://wipfandstock.com/979838521750.... His other book, A Thematic Access-Oriented Bibliography of Jesus’s Resurrection, is 50% off until Nov 30th. Use code CONFSHIP at checkout.  If you select Media Mail, shipping is free = https://wipfandstock.com/978172525273...

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1 month ago
2 hours 39 minutes 43 seconds

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Analysis of Daniel (Muslim) vs. Sam Shamon Debate

Daniel, the Quran-only Muslim, recently had a debate with the famous Christian apologist and Islamic debater Sam Shamoun. Popular opinion has it that Sam mopped the floor with Daniel and hence, Daniel wished to invite me on to provide an objective discussion and assessment of the debate.The debate itself got a little heated and personal at times and hence, having respect for both Daniel (as an online friend) and Sam (as a fellow brother in Christ), I wanted to do my best to stick to my assessment of the substantive arguments made, while at the same time being as fair as I could to both sides when asked about more personal issues.I hope I provided something edifying for all involved on this.

The original debate itself = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQB-oeRmsNs&t=3sRSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/08/jesus-or-muhammed-debating-the-fulfillment-of-the-prophecies-in-daniel-2-7/

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1 month ago
2 hours 35 minutes 59 seconds

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DEBATE: Is Blood Biblically Necessary for Atonement (w/ Dale Glover vs. Daniel the Muslim)

I debate Daniel the Quran-only Muslim on the Biblical necessity of blood in the atonement of our sins. Michael Lofton from the Reason & Theology podcast was kind enough to be the moderator again.RSM Blog (with my slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/14/debate-is-blood-biblically-necessary-for-atonement-w-dale-glover-vs-daniel-the-muslim/

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1 month ago
2 hours 1 minute 45 seconds

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Debate Follow Up: Jesus or Muhammed in Daniel 2 & 7

Daniel (the Muslim) felt unsatisfied with our debate on Daniel 2 & 7 and asked if I could come on his show to do a follow up discussion on several issues that weren't fully covered during the debate proper itself.RSM Blog (with free sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/08/jesus-or-muhammed-debating-the-fulfillment-of-the-prophecies-in-daniel-2-7/

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2 months ago
1 hour 46 minutes 13 seconds

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Jesus or Muhammed: Debating the Fulfillment of the Prophecies in Daniel 2 & 7

We're back! Dale vs. Daniel the Quran-only Muslim and this time we are debating the prophecies in Daniel 2 and 7 of the Bible; are these predicting the spiritual kingdom of Jesus Christ (as per Christianity) or Muhammed and Islamic Empire?May God's truth prevail :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/08/jesus-or-muhammed-debating-the-fulfillment-of-the-prophecies-in-daniel-2-7/

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2 months ago
1 hour 50 minutes 34 seconds

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Evaluating Paulogia's "Minimal Witnesses Hypothesis" Again- (w/ Prof. Tavo San Abri)

The Atheist YouTubers Paulogia and the Rabyd Atheist are in cahoots and at it again folks! In this charged climate of skeptical quote twisting and devilish distortions of the truth to suit Atheistic agendas, I'm joined by an unbiased Atheist with Christian leanings, Prof. Tavo San Abri, to assess Paulogia's "Minimal Witnesses Hypothesis"- a theory I'm told by virtually all online Atheists, is the best natural theory on the net. Yet this hypothesis utterly fails to accomplish its stated purpose of providing a possible account for all 6 of Gary's Minimal Facts (among other "established historical facts").Unfortunately, Paulogia's "Minimal Witnesses" hypothesis doesn't provide what it promises; namely, a possible account for the known facts, unlike other natural hypotheses such as James Fodor's hypothesis which does. Heck, even I as a Christian, could put my skeptical hat on and come up with a better theory than Paulogia did after years of supposed research on his end!Beyond that, Paulogia's theory is woefully inadequate on a factual level and highly implausible and improbable to be true in reality and hence why I've invited Prof. Tavo San Abri here to help me further expose the theory's many deficiencies- enjoy :)See Tavo's original devastating take down video of Paulogia's "Minimal Witnesses" hypothesis here =    • The evidence against@Paulogia's minimal wi...  RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/11/01/evaluating-paulogias-minimal-witnesses-hypothesis-again-w-prof-tavo-san-abri/

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2 months ago
2 hours 16 minutes 54 seconds

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Trinity Monotheism Debate Review: Jake the Muslim Metaphysician vs. Me (Dale the Real Seeker)

Alright, as promised, I wanted to post up my follow up review of my debate with Jake the Muslim Metaphysician on the logical and metaphysical coherence of the Trinity Monotheism model as first discovered by Dr. William Lane Craig. The debate went great and I really appreciated the 4 arguments presented by Jake and thus I wanted to do my best to give them a deeper look beyond what we did in the debate itself as well as go over the Pro-Trinitarian argument I provided from actualized selfless love.Enjoy :)RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/10/26/is-trinity-monotheism-logically-metaphysically-coherent-jake-brancatella-vs-dale-glover-bonus-debate-review/

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2 months ago
3 hours 8 minutes 27 seconds

Real Seekers
I'm a person sincerely interested in seeking religious truth, for years I studied and did my best to seek out the truth about God's existence, the existence and nature of the afterlife and which religion might be true and/or endorsed by God. At the end of my searching, I came to the conclusion that Christianity is the religion that God wants me to follow and believe. I hope to help other "real seekers" in their journey to finding the same truth that I did. I can be reached via email at realseekerministry@gmail.com