
Tom has been on a 13 year Mandarin journey. He built his own app, has given business presentations in Chinese, but surprisingly, isn't trying to chase fluency. He actually isn't trying to get anywhere at all. After 1000 days of daily character practice (even with a broken ankle), he discovered the secret: use Chinese to get to friendships, don't use friends to get to Chinese. I ask Tom about what it means to remove the destination from language learning, and how the joy of human connection, not perfect study methods, kept him going for 13 years.
Find Tom's app at charactermatrix.com (iOS/Android) and his YouTube channel @squattingtaiwan.