In this episode of Sold 4 a Song, Terrance Sawchuk sits down with legendary songwriter Mark Jordan, the creator of “Rhythm of My Heart” and a writer whose songs have been recorded by Diana Ross, Rod Stewart, Joe Cocker, Manhattan Transfer, Bonnie Raitt, Cher, and more. Mark shares the untold story behind writing “Rhythm of My Heart,” his lifelong relationship with dyslexia before it was understood, and how neurodiversity became a creative advantage rather than a limitation. From CBC transcription sessions and LA studio legends to publishing blind spots and royalty realities, this conversation explores how value is created—and often lost—inside the music industry. This episode goes beyond hit songs. It’s a deep, human conversation about creative identity, confidence, ownership, and the quiet cost creators pay when their work outpaces their self-worth. It also examines music’s healing power through Mark’s work in music therapy with first responders, reminding us why music matters far beyond charts and market share. Takeaways Dyslexia and neurodiversity can be powerful creative strengths Writing a hit does not guarantee understanding or ownership of value Publishing systems often separate creators from awareness and control Creative confidence is shaped early—and can be reclaimed later Music’s value extends far beyond commercial success Direct creative integrity leads to longevity Industry myths often hide structural inequities Ownership and self-worth are deeply connected Music has measurable healing and therapeutic impact True success comes from alignment, not just accolades Titles Writing “Rhythm of My Heart” & the Hidden Cost of a Hit Dyslexia, Creativity, and Reclaiming Artistic Worth Sound Bites “Dyslexia isn’t a flaw—it’s my superpower.” “You can write a worldwide hit and still be disconnected from your value.” “Music heals people long before it pays them.” Chapters 00:00 Writing “Rhythm of My Heart”05:48 Dyslexia, Confidence, and Creative Identity12:30 Early Career, CBC, and Learning by Ear20:10 LA Studios, Publishing, and Industry Blind Spots31:40 Rod Stewart, Hits, and the Cost of Success41:55 Music Therapy and Healing Through Song53:20 Reclaiming Worth, Ownership, and Longevity Keywords music industry, songwriting, Rhythm of My Heart, Mark Jordan, dyslexia, neurodiversity, creative worth, publishing, ownership, royalties, music therapy, artist sustainability, creative confidence, Sold 4 a Song Sold 4 a Song™ PodcastHosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 multi-platinum songwriter, producer, artist, mixer, and entrepreneur. Sold 4 a Song™ is a living exploration of creative worth, ownership, and the true value of music—inside the systems that monetize it. If this episode resonates, you can follow the work at sold4asong.com.  

Sold 4 a Song™ Podcast hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 multi-platinum songwriter, producer, artist, mixer, & entrepreneur. Sold 4 a Song™ is a living exploration of creative worth, ownership, and the true value of music — inside the systems that monetize it. If this episode resonates, you can follow the work at sold4asong.com.   Keywordsmusic industry, artists, copyright, AI, sustainability, ownership, creativity, fan relationships, digital age, music therapySummaryIn this episode of 'Sold for a Song', Terry Sawchuk discusses the evolving landscape of the music industry, emphasizing the importance of artists owning their copyright and data. He reflects on the past year, highlights key guests, and addresses the impact of AI on music creation and artist-fan relationships. Looking ahead to 2026, he shares his upcoming projects aimed at empowering creatives and raising awareness about the true value of music.TakeawaysArtists must own their copyright and data to thrive.Monetizing directly and leveraging art is crucial.Empowering artists is essential for creative success.AI will significantly impact the music industry.Direct relationships with fans are vital for artists.Ownership and sustainability are key for future artists.The true value of music is often undervalued.Feedback indicates a broader appeal for my upcoming book.New projects aim to highlight music's societal value.Building a community of support for artists is important.TitlesEmpowering Artists in the Digital AgeReflections on 2025: A Year in ReviewSound bites"AI will transform the music industry.""Thank you for joining me today!""Let's build this movement together."Chapters00:00 Empowering Artists in the Digital Age02:48 Reflections on 2025: A Year in Review06:09 The Future of Music: AI and Artist Relationships08:50 Ownership and Sustainability for Creatives11:45 Looking Ahead: New Projects and Goals for 2026

Sold 4 a Song™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. In this episode, Terry sits down with Dr. Concetta “Connie” Tomaino — co-founder and Executive Director of the Institute for Music and Neurologic Function (IMNF) — for a mind-opening conversation on the true value of music far beyond streaming numbers. They break down how music actually engages the brain, why rhythm can restore movement in Parkinson’s, how songs can “wake up” memory in dementia, and how music therapy helps veterans and trauma survivors access what words can’t. Then Terry connects it back to the core mission of Sold 4 a Song: the painful irony that the people who create the world’s most powerful healing tool are often the ones least valued inside the ecosystem built around it — and why access to music therapy should be reimbursed and available to everyone. To go deeper, join Terry at TerranceSawchuk.com 👉 Watch for announcements for my Free Webinar coming in January 2026. Keywords music therapy, neuroscience, mental health, creativity, neurodiversity, music industry, healing, brain function, emotional connection, artist empowerment Summary In this episode of 'Sold for a Song', host Taren Saczek engages with Dr. Concetta Tomeino, a pioneer in music therapy, discussing the profound impact of music on mental health and neurological function. They explore the evolution of music therapy, its applications in treating various conditions, and the importance of recognizing the value of music creators in society. The conversation delves into the neuroscience behind music, the therapeutic techniques used in music therapy, and the challenges faced by artists in the industry. Dr. Tomeino emphasizes the need for greater accessibility to music therapy and the economic value of music in enhancing well-being. Takeaways Music therapy needs to be accessible to everyone.The field of music therapy originated in the 1950s.Music engages almost every part of the brain.Music can help individuals with PTSD and cognitive impairments.Therapeutic music experiences can enhance recovery and function.Neurodiversity plays a significant role in creativity.Music can evoke strong emotional responses and memories.The economic value of music creators is often undervalued.Music therapy can improve mental health and well-being.Artists have a unique role in nurturing creativity in society. Titles Unlocking the Healing Power of Music TherapyThe Neuroscience Behind Music and Healing Sound bites "We need to get the word out.""Music therapy is a profession.""Music has power in healing." Chapters 00:00 The Value of Music Therapy06:07 Introduction to Dr. Concetta Tomeino11:46 The Evolution of Music Therapy20:04 Understanding Music's Impact on the Brain30:11 Music Therapy Techniques and Applications40:07 Neurodiversity and Creativity50:03 The Economic Value of Music and Artists

Sold 4 a Song™ Podcast hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 multi-platinum songwriter, producer, artist, mixer, & entrepreneur. Sold 4 a Song™ is a living exploration of creative worth, ownership, and the true value of music — inside the systems that monetize it. If this episode resonates, you can follow the work at sold4asong.com.   Keywords music industry, songwriters, AI, musicians, technology, empowerment, creativity, copyright, session musicians, music lessons Summary In this episode of Sold For A Song, Terry Sawchuk discusses the undervaluation of music creators and the impact of AI on the music industry. He emphasizes the need for musicians to recognize their worth and leverage technology to reclaim control over their careers. The conversation highlights the challenges posed by AI, the exploitation of session musicians, and the importance of using technology to empower artists rather than diminish their value. Takeaways Empowering artists is crucial for redefining creative success.Musicians must awaken their self-worth to thrive.AI is changing the landscape of the music industry.Session musicians are facing unprecedented challenges due to AI.Technology should be leveraged to benefit creators.Musicians need to create their own platforms for lessons.The music industry is monopolized by a few major players.AI companies are profiting from the work of musicians without compensation.Musicians should reverse engineer technology for their advantage.Building a community of empowered creators is essential. Titles Reclaiming Value in the Music IndustryThe AI Revolution: Threat or Opportunity for Musicians? Sound bites "Why am I on your website?""AI is an absolute game changer.""Let's build this movement together." Chapters 00:00 Empowering Music Creators01:46 The Impact of AI on Musicians08:38 Leveraging Technology for Musicians

Sold 4 a Song™ Podcast hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 multi-platinum songwriter, producer, artist, mixer, & entrepreneur. Sold 4 a Song™ is a living exploration of creative worth, ownership, and the true value of music — inside the systems that monetize it. If this episode resonates, you can follow the work at sold4asong.com. Keywords music industry, AI music, Suno, songwriters, major labels, Warner Music, Spotify, creative ownership, copyright, artist empowerment, music monopolies, intellectual property Summary In this episode of Sold 4 a Song, Terry Sawchuk breaks down the AI Wild West currently reshaping the music industry — and who is really benefiting from it. Terry exposes how AI platforms like Suno allegedly trained their models using music scraped from YouTube without permission, reached billion-dollar valuations, and were ultimately rewarded with licensing deals from major labels like Warner Music. Meanwhile, actual songwriters and artists are told by PROs that using “too much AI” could disqualify them from performance royalties. This episode confronts the glaring double standard: AI companies can profit from creators’ work at scale, but creators themselves remain restricted, underpaid, and over-controlled. Terry explains how market power, ownership concentration, and pro-rata payment systems continue to suffocate artists — and why the flood of AI-generated music only accelerates the problem. He closes by teasing artist-first solutions designed to reverse-engineer the system — where creators own their data, control their IP, and finally reclaim leverage in an industry built on undervaluation. Takeaways AI companies are being rewarded for actions artists would be penalized for Major labels prioritize market share over creator protection PRO rules around AI create a double standard for songwriters AI is drastically increasing music saturation on DSPs Artists are more lost in the shuffle than ever before Ownership and leverage — not exposure — determine power Major labels control most IP, limiting artist agency The industry is designed to extract value from creators Artist-owned platforms are no longer optional The future belongs to creators who control data, IP, and audience Titles The AI Wild West: Who Really Wins in Music’s New Gold Rush?Why AI Companies Get Paid — and Songwriters Don’t Sound Bites “We’ve got value going once, truth going twice.”“They stole the music, built the platform, and got rewarded.”“It’s okay for AI companies — but not the creators they took from.”“Artists are always the ones being over-leveraged.”“Welcome to the Wild West.” Chapters 00:00 Value, truth, and the mission of Sold 4 a Song02:39 How AI music models were trained05:02 Warner’s deal with AI and what it signals07:25 Why artists are more buried than ever08:45 Reclaiming leverage through artist-first systems If today’s episode lit a fire in you, don’t let it fade.Subscribe to Sold 4 a Song, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. Sign up for the Sold 4 a Song Journal and join the waitlist for the Escape Hatch™ Live Workshop at👉 www.sold4asong.com Let me know if you want: a shorter Podbean-optimized version a YouTube-first description or a version that tees up Escape Hatch harder

Sold 4 a Song™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the Sold 4 a Song Journal, and join the waitlist for the Escape Hatch™ Live Workshop all at www.sold4asong.com   Episode Title: The Bridge Between Artists & Fans (A Thanksgiving Thank-You) In this special Thanksgiving episode of Sold 4 a Song, Terry pulls back the curtain on one of the least-discussed truths in the music business: the broken connection between artists and fans — and how it’s the middlemen, not the music lovers or creators, causing the disconnect. After receiving heartfelt messages from fans outside the industry who love getting an inside look at how the music world really works, Terry dedicates this episode to YOU — the fans who show up, support, share, and keep music alive. In this episode, Terry breaks down: 🎧 Why fans and artists want the exact same thing — connection💰 How Live Nation, Ticketmaster, and industry gatekeepers profit by standing between fans and the artists they love📉 Why songwriters earn only a few hundred dollars from a million streams📀 How the record industry flipped the streaming model to benefit labels, not creators🧾 The shocking truth about performance royalties, setlists, and why many songwriters never get paid for U.S. concerts🇺🇸 How the U.S. Copyright Board — not the free market — controls songwriter income🎵 Why independent artists now have more power than ever🤝 How fans can support artists directly — and get a better experience doing it This is a raw, honest, and eye-opening look at the system fans never get to hear about. Terry explains exactly why the music you love exists despite the system — not because of it — and why the bond between creators and fans is more important than ever. And above all…🦃 This episode is a thank-you letter to the fans who make music possible. If you believe in empowering artists, valuing creativity, and strengthening the fan–artist relationship, don’t forget to: ✔️ Subscribe✔️ Leave a quick review✔️ Share this episode with a fellow music lover To go deeper, join Terry at TerranceSawchuk.com for updates, resources, and behind-the-scenes content. #songwriters, #musicindustry, #livenation, #ticketmaster, #streaming #royalties, #independentartists, #musiccreators, #fanconnection, #artistfanrelationship, #musicbusinesstruth, #copyrightboard, #Spotifypayouts, #Thanksgivingspecial, #behind themusicindustry, #Sold4aSong  

Sold 4 a Song™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the Sold 4 a Song Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   What really happens when the mafia, major labels, and radio money all collide? In this episode of $old 4 a $ong, Terry sits down with legendary investigative journalist Fredric Dannen, author of Hit Men: Power Brokers and Fast Money Inside the Music Business—the book that pulled the curtain back on payola, the mob, and the hidden forces shaping what makes it onto the airwaves. Fredric shares the real story behind the infamous Pink Floyd “Another Brick in the Wall” experiment, how a handful of “independent promoters” (with documented mob ties) could stop a hit record cold, and why labels willingly fed tens of millions of dollars into a system that often worked more like extortion than promotion. They dig into: How Hit Men nearly got blocked by Clive Davis—and why that backfired spectacularly The mafia-connected “Network” that controlled Top 40 radio in the late ’70s and ’80s Stories of Morris Levy, Michael Jackson’s team, and artists like Pink Floyd, The Who, Earth, Wind & Fire, and more The uncomfortable truth about race records, R&B, and how genre labels tracked skin color, not sound Fredric’s work freeing an innocent man from a Texas prison and why that fight for justice led him to live in Mexico How his reporting helped inspire Eliot Spitzer’s modern payola crackdown If you’ve ever wondered why truly great music doesn’t always rise to the top—or why the people who create the value get paid last—this conversation is mandatory listening. 👉 If this episode lights a fire in you, don’t let it fade. Follow/subscribe to $old 4 a $ong, leave a review, and share this with one artist or songwriter who needs to hear it. To go deeper into ownership, leverage, and building an artist life on your terms, visit TerranceSawchuk.com and join the movement.

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4A$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Episode Title: Let's Create a Song With AI In 1 minute   💡 Episode Description:In the first video episode of $old 4 a $ong™, host Terry Sawchuk pulls back the curtain on the rise of AI-generated music — and just how easy it’s become to create a “hit” in minutes. Using Suno AI, Terry builds a complete Motown-style song (about his cats, naturally) right before your eyes. You’ll learn: How over 20,000 fully AI-made songs are uploaded every day to DSPs like Deezer and Spotify The difference between AI-assisted and fully AI-generated songs — and why it matters for royalties Why SOCAN, ASCAP, and BMI have ruled against paying performance royalties on songs with no human input The creative and ethical crossroads artists now face: adopt AI or get left behind? This episode isn’t about replacing artists — it’s about understanding the tools reshaping music’s future. 🎧 $old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued → unstoppable. 👉 Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, or join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™ at www.sold4asong.com  

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4A$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Episode Title: Nobody Is Coming To Save You In this episode of Sold 4 a Song, Terry Sawchuk gets brutally honest about one of the biggest truths in today’s music industry: nobody is coming to save you. Record labels, managers, and agents are no longer in the business of building artists — they’re looking for creators who have already done the work. The followers, the streams, the analytics — those are just reflections of something deeper: how much your music actually moves people. Terry breaks down why many artists are focusing on the wrong things — buying playlist placements, chasing social media numbers, and skipping the real work of becoming better songwriters, performers, and entertainers. He challenges creators to ask the hard questions: Are you collaborating with people better than you? Are you delivering performances that truly move an audience? Are you creating art worth following? From Dave Chappelle’s comedy insight to JFK’s timeless wisdom, Terry connects the dots between self-reliance, artistry, and ownership. This is your reminder that the real metric isn’t your follower count — it’s how deeply you move people. 💡 Key Takeaway:Stop waiting for someone to discover you. Do the work. Move people. The rest will follow.

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4A$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Episode Title: Entitlement vs Accountability In this episode of $old 4 a $ong, Terry Sawchuk dismantles one of the most dangerous traps holding artists back — entitlement. With 30+ years in the trenches of the music industry, Terry shares raw stories of sacrifice, failure, and resilience — from cashing in his retirement savings to spending nearly $20K just to chase a dream in the U.S. Drawing on Russell Brunson’s Hook–Story–Offer framework, Terry breaks down the truth most creators avoid: if your music isn’t connecting, often it’s accountability. He explains how to find the missing link between attention, emotional connection, and conversion, and why success always favors the artist willing to be brutally honest with themselves. This episode is a wake-up call for every musician who’s ever said “I’m not lucky like you.” It’s not luck. It’s courage. Because, as Dan Sullivan says, confidence is the byproduct of courage. 🎧 Tune in to uncover: The difference between confidence and entitlement Why exposure means nothing without mastery How to audit what you're putting out there The mindset that separates lifers from complainers 💡 Subscribe, leave a review, and share this with a fellow creator who needs to hear the truth.Join the movement at TerranceSawchuk.com and sign up for the $old 4 a $ong Journal at SoldForASong.com — where artists turn accountability into empowerment.

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4A$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   🎙️ Episode Title: I Just Want to Be Unique… Like Everyone Else Description:There’s an ancient music industry haiku that perfectly sums up the madness of chasing trends: “Who is this Bob Dylan?Find me this Bob Dylan.We’re looking for more of a Bob Dylan.We’re looking for a younger Bob Dylan.Who the hell is Bob Dylan?” In this week’s Sold for a Song, Terry Sawchuk breaks down how the industry’s obsession with replication has crushed originality—and how true freedom as a creator begins when you stop competing and start remembering who you are. Drawing inspiration from Dr. Bruce Lipton’s insights on subconscious programming and epigenetics, Terry explores how our environment and beliefs shape not just our creative habits but our entire DNA expression. What if the real act of rebellion for artists isn’t fighting the system, but deprogramming it from within? Tune in to discover:🎧 Why “market share” thinking kills creativity🧠 How subconscious programming affects your artistry🔥 The secret to building a sustainable career through authenticity💡 Why your unique blueprint—not algorithms or trends—is your biggest leverage If today’s episode lights a fire in you, don’t let it fade. Subscribe, leave a review, and share this with a fellow creator who’s been “sold for a song.” 👉 Go deeper at TerranceSawchuk.com for exclusive content, the upcoming Artist Accelerator course, and updates on Terry’s new book, $old 4 A $ong.      

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Sold for a Song — My Origin Story & Why Creators Must Take Back Their Worth We’re at a pivotal moment: streaming and AI have squeezed creators harder than ever. In this first solo episode, host Terrance “Terry” Sawchuk (Billboard #1, multi-platinum songwriter/producer) shares his personal journey—from a basement piano in Northern Ontario to Nashville writing rooms, from near-misses to Jake Owen’s “Barefoot Blue Jean Night,” and the hard lessons that shaped the Sold for a Song movement. You’ll hear how ownership, leverage, and streamlined process unlock a creator’s freedom—and why the phrase “sold for a song” has undervalued artists for centuries. In this episode: The mission: put power back in the minds, hearts, and hands of creators Early years: Harris Institute, Arnyard Studios, and demos that became Our Lady Peace sessions Nashville grind, visas, and the turning point with “Barefoot Blue Jean Night” (demo secrets and production choices) Film/TV phase, burnout, and rediscovering purpose through service The real history behind “sold for a song” (Shakespeare → Queen Elizabeth I → Lord Burghley) The framework: Worth → Leverage → Streamline → Sustain What’s next: the book and the Artist Accelerator for creators who refuse to be undervalued Approx. timestamps: 0:00 Mission: a creator uprising3:03 Why tech should leverage art (not the other way around)5:10 Origins: from Espanola, ON to Toronto studios11:51 Moving to Nashville & earning stripes14:04 Writing “Barefoot Blue Jean Night” (+ the broke-but-bold demo that changed everything)20:32 After the hit: pivots, placements, perspective22:43 The centuries-old meaning of “sold for a song”24:30 The playbook: Worth, Leverage, Streamline, Sustain + what’s coming Links & extras: Join the community & updates: terrancesawchuk.com Waitlist: Sold for a Song Artist Accelerator (details inside the portal) If this episode lit a fire in you: Subscribe, leave a quick review, and share it with one creator who needs to hear it. Let’s build this movement together. TAGS: #musicindustry #songwriter life #musicproducer #Nashville stories #recordingstudio #hitsongwriting #BarefootBlueJeanNight #AlanisMorissette #artistempowerment #independentartist

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Oscar-nominated, Grammy-winning songwriter/producer Dennis Matkosky (Diana Ross, Flashdance, Al Jarreau, Boz Scaggs, Keith Urban, LeAnn Rimes) sits down with host Terrance Sawchuk to drop a masterclass on creative longevity and business ownership. From writing “Maniac” in 15 minutes and tailoring it for Flashdance with Phil Ramone, to the long road behind Keith Urban’s “You’ll Think of Me,” to discovering and championing HARDY, Dennis shares hard-won lessons on belief, persistence, and treating yourself like the CEO of your art. We get into LA vs. Nashville, film/TV cuts, admin vs. ownership, AI and streamlining, and the new “blue ocean” model where artists own code, data, and distribution. If you’re a songwriter, artist, or producer who’s ready to stop waiting for permission and start running your career like a business, this one’s a gem. What You’ll Learn The real story behind “Maniac” and how lyrics were reshaped for Flashdance Why great songs are timeless—but cuts are all about timing Admin deals vs. publishing ownership (and when each makes sense) How Dennis evaluates and develops talent (and why HARDY bends genres) The mindset shift: artists as CEOs—and how to build leverage How AI can streamline the boring stuff so you can create more Blue-ocean strategies for an artist-owned future (own your portal, data, and distribution) Guest Dennis Matkosky — Oscar-nominated, Grammy-winning songwriter/producer. Credits include Diana Ross (“Mirror, Mirror”), Michael Sembello (“Maniac”), Al Jarreau, Boz Scaggs (“Heart of Mine”), LeAnn Rimes (“I Need You”), Keith Urban (“You’ll Think of Me”), Chicago, and more. Co-founder at Relative Music Group. Follow Dennis: https://www.relativemusicgroup.com/ https://www.facebook.com/dmatkosky https://www.instagram.com/dennis_matkosky/   Links & Resources Relative Music Group: relativemusicgroup.com Pull Quotes “You’re the CEO of your company. Don’t hand away the 2% you can control.” — Dennis “Great songs are timeless; getting them cut is all timing.” — Terrance “Own the code. Own the data. Own the distribution.” — Terrance Chapter Guide (optional) 00:00 Opening riff — Artists as CEOs02:55 Dennis’s early years (Philly roots, Sembello, jazz)05:50 “Maniac” genesis → Flashdance with Phil Ramone12:10 Grammy/Oscar season and stiff competition13:00 Writing/producing for Boz Scaggs, Al Jarreau, Chicago18:45 LA sessions → film/TV → Nashville move20:20 “I Need You” (LeAnn Rimes) and pitching strategy23:40 “You’ll Think of Me” (Keith Urban) — the long game26:05 Spotting HARDY and bending the genre30:35 Ownership, leverage, and the artist-as-CEO mindset37:20 Algorithms, radio, and the new release reality39:40 Blue-ocean playbook for artist-owned futures44:20 AI for streamlining creative businesses45:55 Dennis’s upcoming book & parting wisdom Tags Songwriting, Music Business, Ownership, Publishing, Sync, Nashville, Flashdance, HARDY, Keith Urban, LeAnn Rimes, Creativity, AI for Creators, Independent Artists, Relative Music Group, Terrance Sawchuk  

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Fred Mollin Unplugged: Hits, Heartbreak, and the Art of Producing Legendswith host Terrance “Terry” Sawchuk — terrancesawchuk.com What does it take to produce the greatest songwriters on earth—and still love the work decades later? Grammy-nominated, Juno Award-winning producer Fred Mollin joins Terrance Sawchuk to talk about building trust with legends (Jimmy Webb, Kris Kristofferson, Johnny Mathis, Billy Joel, James Taylor), surviving label bankruptcies, composing for film/TV, and why great producers are often great reducers. You’ll hear the true story behind “Sometimes When We Touch,” how a label collapse wiped out life-changing royalties, why U.S. theatrical runs don’t pay performance royalties to composers (but Europe does), and the making of Jimmy Webb’s intimate classic Ten Easy Pieces—including the version of “By the Time I Get to Phoenix” that Bob Dylan singled out in his book The Philosophy of Modern Song. Fred also shares an email that nearly led to producing Dylan himself. If you care about songs, studios, and the humans who make them, this one’s a masterclass. Highlights Trust, taste, and the producer as “reducer” The crash course: label bankruptcy and lost producer royalties TV/film back-end vs. U.S. theatrical: what pays and what doesn’t How Ten Easy Pieces was really recorded (and why it feels live) Calling in favors: building a Rolodex that gets legends to say “yes” Modern albums, mega-tracklists, and the algorithm era Trauma, truth, and why autobiographical songs hit harder Timestamps 00:49 Intro: Why Sold for a Song exists 02:00 Who is Fred Mollin? 06:45 Dan Hill, Matt McCauley & producing a global hit 10:50 When the label goes bankrupt (and your check vanishes) 12:30 Film/TV royalties 101 (U.S. vs. Europe) 13:30 The Clive Davis “yes-sir” moment 17:45 Becoming the “duets” guy & calling legends 21:20 Making Jimmy Webb’s Ten Easy Pieces 25:30 Standing on the shoulders of great players 26:50 The Bob Dylan email (and what might have been) 29:10 Working with Lamont Dozier & the Motown wellspring 32:30 The algorithm era vs. live, charted studio magic 34:15 Creativity, trauma, and writing what hurts 37:50 Fred’s book, tour, and new Jimmy Webb project Resources & Links Fred’s book (signed): FredMollinUnplugged.com Fred’s site: FredMollin.com Host: Terrance Sawchuk — TerranceSawchuk.com www.fredmollin.com 👉 Subscribe, review, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it.👉 Join the movement at TerranceSawchuk.com.

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Summary In this episode, the conversation explores the challenges and triumphs of artists in the music industry, focusing on the importance of self-worth, the impact of personal struggles, and the evolving landscape of music distribution and fan engagement. The guests share their experiences navigating the complexities of the industry, the role of social media, and the significance of authentic connections with fans. They also discuss the power of music to heal and the future of technology in the music world. Takeaways You can't ignore the pain of your audience.The music industry undervalues its contributors.Self-worth is crucial for artists.Crowdfunding can empower artists financially.Social media is a tool for connection, not just promotion.Authenticity resonates more than perfection.Music has the power to heal and connect people.Building a community is essential for artists.Navigating the industry requires resilience and adaptability.Personal struggles can enhance artistic expression. Titles The Pain Behind the Music: A Deep DiveNavigating the Music Industry: Insights and Strategies Sound bites "You can't get sent 52,000 messages in a year.""There's so much work involved in everything.""I made like 30 grand each album." Chapters 00:00 The Pain Behind the Music02:42 The Journey of an Artist05:54 Navigating the Music Industry08:43 The Role of Social Media in Music11:34 The Impact of Personal Struggles14:32 Creating Meaningful Connections17:35 The Evolution of Crowdfunding20:36 The Importance of Authenticity23:42 The Power of Music to Heal26:26 The Future of Music and Technology   Keywords music industry, songwriters, artists, mental health, crowdfunding, social media, personal struggles, authenticity, connections, healing For more go to www.daphnewillis.com Listen To Somebody's Someone NOW!!! https://open.spotify.com/track/5E4rKYrMy59ie5eBEhZbzJ?si=36527d7b40284ee7 👉 Subscribe, review, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it.👉 Join the movement at TerranceSawchuk.com.

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Legendary songwriter Roger Cook joins host Terrance Sawchuk on Sold for a Song to share untold stories behind hit records, the realities of Nashville’s music machine, and the future of music ownership. From Bono bar stories to Alanis Morissette’s Jagged Little Pill sessions, this episode is packed with songwriting wisdom, industry laughs, and lessons every creative needs to hear. Full Show Notes Episode SummaryIn this powerful episode of Sold for a Song, Terrance Sawchuk sits down with Hall of Fame songwriter Roger Cook (You Got Your Troubles, I Just Want to Dance with You) for an unfiltered conversation about: The highs and lows of songwriting success Crazy stories with Bono, The Beatles, and Roy Orbison Alanis Morissette’s intellectual intercourse lyric inspiration The Nashville writing grind vs. creative freedom abroad Music industry greed, market share royalties, and blockchain’s future Why the simplest songs often hit the hardest This episode isn’t just music history—it’s a roadmap for songwriters, artists, and anyone navigating creative ownership in today’s industry. Key Takeaways “Write one for the radio, one for yourself.” Roger’s simple but powerful philosophy on staying authentic. Market share vs. fairness: Why songwriters often lose money despite millions of streams—and how Web3 could fix it. Creative freedom matters: Why some of the best songs come from outside the pressure cooker of Nashville. The hit songs that changed everything: From You Got Your Troubles to I Just Want to Dance with You. Lessons from legends: Stories involving Bono, The Beatles, John Prine, and Alanis Morissette. Quotes from the Episode “The easiest thing you’ll ever do in this business is sign a record deal. The hardest thing? Keeping it.” – Roger Cook “At some point, you might as well fail being you.” – Terrance Sawchuk “Write for love first. Let the hits take care of themselves.” – Roger Cook Resources & Links Join the Sold for a Song community: TerranceSawchuk.com Follow Terrance on Instagram: @terrancesawchuk Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and everywhere you get your podcasts Timestamps 00:00 – Introduction 01:03 – Nashville beginnings & signing record deals 05:07 – Stories about Bono, The Beatles, Roy Orbison 08:45 – Songwriting with Alanis Morissette 12:30 – Nashville co-writing culture & royalty frustrations 16:20 – Writing hits vs. personal songs 19:30 – Chances Are and the power of simplicity 24:30 – You Got Your Troubles: Roger plays his biggest hit 28:00 – Nashville then vs. now: 1970s to the streaming era 34:18 – Market share, streaming, and blockchain’s promise 36:50 – Publishing splits, admin deals & music business lessons 40:00 – Closing thoughts & future conversations Call to Action Join the movement: TerranceSawchuk.com Subscribe, rate, and review $old 4 a $ong to help more creators reclaim their worth. Want to go deeper? Watch for the $old 4 a $ong Academy + 1:1 mentoring inside the private portal. Credits Host: Terrance Sawchuk Guest: Roger Cook Production: $old 4 a $ong / Terrance Sawchuk Music/Editing: Terrance Sawchuk Location: Nashville, TN SEO Keywords (paste in Podbean “Tags”) songwriting, music business, publishing splits, masters vs publishing, Nashville, George Martin, The Beatles, Roger Cook, Terrance Sawchuk, ASCAP, royalties, country songwriting, catalog sales, investor catalogs, 1000 true fans, ukulele, John Prine   👉 Subscribe, review, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it.👉 Join

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Legendary songwriter Roger Cook—the only British citizen inducted into the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame—joins Terrance Sawchuk to unpack six decades of craft, business, and integrity. From “Long Cool Woman (In a Black Dress)” and “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing” to “Talking in Your Sleep,” Roger shares how to write songs that outlast trends, the reality of publishing splits, why masters vs. publishing changed the game, and how artists can build direct, sustainable careers with 100 true fans. You’ll hear frank stories about George Martin, The Beatles, UK/US publishing practices, live performance royalty gaps, demo culture, co-writing integrity, and why Roger still writes two to three days a week at 85—with a Guild ukulele John Prine gifted him. What You’ll Learn Craft: How to write for the listener (and widen your cutability from 3 artists to 33) Business: Why historic publishing deals siphoned value—and how to negotiate smarter today Royalties: The uncomfortable truth about US live performance payouts vs. other countries Strategy: Masters vs. publishing, why investors buy catalogs, and what “uncorrelated assets” mean Career Design: Portals, community, and the “100 fans x $1,000” model Chapter Timestamps 00:00 Spiritual payment: why one great line is its own paycheck 01:00 Terrance’s intro + mission of $old 4 a $ong 03:20 Roger at 85: perspective, gratitude, longevity 05:40 Choirboy roots → harmony, melody, first groups (The Harmonettes → The Sapphires) 08:09 The Kestrels, first co-write: “You’ve Got Your Troubles (I’ve Got Mine)” 09:35 When The Fortunes “got the song” and raced it to a hit 11:00 George Martin, “Michelle (ma belle),” and becoming artists 12:43 The publishing math: 70 years after death & the 50/50 (that wasn’t really 50/50) 14:21 US live performance royalties vs. Canada; forms no one files 16:02 Cook & Greenaway: integrity over easy credits 17:49 Modern split creep: how a writer can end up with 5% 19:17 Why investors buy catalogs: undervaluation & uncorrelated assets 21:44 Masters vs. publishing: the big shift with streaming scale 23:40 100 true fans; ASCAP averages; building direct value 25:18 Roger’s routine: still writing 2–3 days a week 27:18 First meeting in Nashville (golf, AIR Studios, Beatles orbit) 31:30 “Love Don’t Let Me Go,” Hillary Lindsey demo, Gordie Sampson 33:15 Coming to Nashville “cocky,” learning to write for the ears here 34:47 “Talking in Your Sleep” and leaving the “English bits” out 36:13 Lyrics first: mixing for words (carving 1 kHz), pop vs. country sensibilities 37:41 Computers, programming, AI voices—and protecting “soul” 39:02 The ukulele from John Prine 40:08 The Beatles’ shockwave; Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Orbison, Everlys 42:35 Work ethic vs. entitlement: Hamburg, clubs, and stagecraft 43:50 Closing: claim your worth, build your portal, own your career About Roger Cook Roger Cook is a member of both the American Songwriters Hall of Fame and the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame. His songs have been recorded by The Hollies, Don Williams, Crystal Gayle, George Strait, John Denver, and many more. Notable works include “Long Cool Woman (In a Black Dress),” “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing,” and “Talking in Your Sleep.” He has collaborated with the greats on both sides of the Atlantic and helped shape pop, country, and rock for over five decades. Notable Quotes “I get paid in my soul as a writer.” — Roger Cook “Change one word and 33 artists can cut your song.” — Roger Cook “We need a new

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Summary In this episode of 'Sold for a Song', legendary songwriter Eddie Schwartz shares his journey in the music industry, detailing the struggles and triumphs of being a songwriter. He discusses the creation of his iconic song 'Hit Me With Your Best Shot' and the challenges he faced in getting it recognized. The conversation then shifts to the Fair Trade Music initiative, aimed at ensuring fair compensation for music creators and promoting ethical practices in the music industry. Schwartz emphasizes the importance of education and accountability for modern songwriters, advocating for a shift in how artists manage their careers and rights. Takeaways The journey of a songwriter is often filled with challenges and rejections.'Hit Me With Your Best Shot' faced initial criticism but became a hit.Fair Trade Music aims to create a more ethical music industry.Songwriters must educate themselves about the business side of music.Being fearless in creativity and business is essential for success.The music industry is currently dominated by corporate interests.Songwriters need to monitor their rights and compensation closely.Fair Trade Music provides a framework for fair compensation.Modern songwriters must write undeniable songs to succeed.Collaboration and support among music creators are vital for change. Titles The Struggles of a SongwriterCreating 'Hit Me With Your Best Shot' Sound bites "You can't stop an idea whose time has come""The industry is mostly run by the industry""Fair Trade Music is a tool that we can use" Chapters 00:00 The Journey of a Songwriter20:15 Fair Trade Music Initiative29:23 The Modern Songwriter's Mindset Keywords songwriting, music industry, Fair Trade Music, artist rights, music creators, songwriter journey, music value chain, creative empowerment, music royalties, songwriter education 👉 Be fearless in your creativity, and fearless in your business. You can contact Eddie Schwartz at: https://www.eddieschwartzmusic.com/ https://www.fairtrademusicinternational.org/   👉 Subscribe, review, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it.👉 Join the movement at TerranceSawchuk.com.   https://www.eddieschwartzmusic.com/biography/    

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com   Summary In this episode of $old 4 a $ong, host Terrance Sawchuk goes behind the scenes of the touring world with Neville Drew Shende — veteran entertainer coach driver, Director of Tour Relations at Pioneer Coach, and founder of CDL Platinum. Neville shares stories from two decades on the road with iconic artists like Prince, Alicia Keys, Aerosmith, Papa Roach, and Disturbed, offering a rare look at life on tour and the lessons that shaped his career. From the discipline and artistry of Prince to the importance of self-worth, hard work, and healthy balance, Neville brings a fresh perspective on what it takes to succeed in entertainment. Takeaways Prince was always moving forward, despite industry pressures.The importance of self-worth in the music industry.Building relationships is key to success in entertainment.Understanding the nuances of your craft is essential.Creativity should not be stifled by external expectations.The value of hard work and dedication in achieving success.Positive energy can uplift those around you.Investing in yourself is crucial for long-term success.The importance of maintaining a healthy work-life balance.Learning from experiences shapes your professional journey. Summary In this episode, Neville Drew Shende shares his incredible journey as an entertainer bus driver, detailing his experiences with iconic artists like Prince. He discusses the importance of self-worth, creativity, and the relentless pursuit of excellence in the music industry. Neville emphasizes the value of building relationships and understanding the nuances of one's craft, while also introducing his CDL Platinum course aimed at empowering drivers in the entertainment industry. Titles Behind the Scenes with a Rock Star Bus DriverLessons from the Road: Insights from Neville Drew Shendi Sound bites "Let the baker make the bread.""I fell in love with the guitar.""I was the smoothest cat." Chapters 00:00 The Journey of an Entertainer Bus Driver20:55 Lessons from Prince: The Art of Perfection45:32 Navigating the Music Industry: Artist Control and Value49:01 Empowering Drivers: The CDL Platinum Course   Keywords entertainer bus driver, Prince, music industry, artist control, CDL Platinum, Neville Drew Shende, songwriting, self-worth, creative empowerment, tour management You can reach Neville Drew Shende at www.cdlplatinum.com   👉 Subscribe, review, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it.👉 Join the movement at TerranceSawchuk.com.   Neville Drew Shende – Professional Biography Current Role: Director of Tour Relations at Pioneer Coach, one of the leading companies handling coach services for high-profile performing artists. Industry Experience: Carries approximately 22 years of extensive experience in the entertainment touring industry, including logistics, fleet management, and driver relations Career Highlights: Held multiple roles at Pioneer Coach: Director of Tour Relations (Apr 2023–Present) Fleet Operations/Safety Manager & Tour & Driver Relations (Feb 2002–Apr 2023) Entertainer Coach Driver (Feb 2002–Oct 2009) Clients: Prince, Alicia Keys, Papa Roach, Disturbed, Aerosmith...  Managed a fleet of over 37 entertainer sleeper buses, coordinating 36 full-time and 48 part-time drivers—a complex logistical operation demanding precision and reliability. Entrepreneurial & Creative Ventures: Owner of Nelvis Enterprises LLC (since March 2004): Published a book titled “The Entertainer Coach Driver: An Inside Look”, offering behind-the-scenes insight into the concert touring world. Founder o

$old 4 a $ong™ isn’t just a podcast — it’s a revolution for undervalued creatives. Hosted by Terrance Sawchuk, Billboard #1 writer & multi-platinum producer, each episode helps you rewrite your story from undervalued to unstoppable. Take the free Artist Worth Quiz, join the $old 4 a $ong Journal, and join the waitlist for the $4$ Artist Accelerator™  course all at www.sold4asong.com     Summary In this episode of Sold 4 A Song, host Terrance Sawchuk engages with Patrick Clifford, a veteran A&R executive, to explore the evolution of the music industry, the importance of empowering artists, and the challenges faced by creators today. Patrick shares his journey from the romanticism of the old school music business to the modern landscape shaped by technology and streaming. The conversation highlights memorable experiences with iconic artists, the significance of ownership, and the necessity for artists to be business-savvy in a rapidly changing environment. Takeaways The music industry has historically undervalued songwriters and artists.Empowering artists is essential for their success and recognition.Old school music business had a romanticism that is often missed today.Music played a crucial role in societal changes during the 60s and 70s.Becoming an A&R man was a dream fueled by passion for music.Early experiences in the industry shaped Patrick's career path.The 70s music scene was chaotic yet vibrant, akin to the Wild West.Discovering and nurturing new talent is a rewarding aspect of A&R.The Neville Brothers' comeback album was a significant project for Patrick.Artists today must navigate a complex landscape of technology and business. Sound bites "I met John Lennon with Harry Nilsson.""I wanted to be an A&R man.""Artists today must be business savvy." Chapters 00:00 The Encounter with John Lennon00:18 Patrick Clifford's Journey in A&R01:45 The Romanticism of Old School Music Business03:42 The Impact of Music on Society06:27 The Path to Becoming an A&R Man09:45 Early Experiences in the Music Industry12:12 The Wild West of the 70s Music Scene16:12 Discovering New Talent: The Romantics18:26 Working with Iconic Artists21:55 The Neville Brothers and Daniel Lanois25:08 The Evolution of the Artist's Role27:15 Navigating the Modern Music Landscape31:05 The Business Savvy Artist33:31 Ownership and Control in the Music Industry36:00 The Role of AI in Music Production36:19 Memorable Moments at the Dakota40:45 The Currency of Heart and Soul in Music46:16 The Importance of Serving Others in Music music industry, songwriters, artists, A&R, empowerment, music history, modern music, artist management, ownership, AI in music You can reach Patrick Clifford on Instagram @pchollywood. 👉 Subscribe, review, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it.👉 Join the movement at TerranceSawchuk.com. Patrick Clifford – Bio Name: Patrick CliffordNickname: “The Pope of Five Points” – a playful title reflecting his gregarious presence and beloved status in East Nashville’s Five Points neighborhood, where locals often greet him with friendly honks and cheers  Early Career Began with Nemperor Artists, working closely with James Taylor and Cat Stevens, and notably discovered and recorded The Romantics Served in A&R departments at major labels: Epic, A&M, Chrysalis, and Capitol, working with Miami Sound Machine, Blues Traveler, and The Neville Brothers As a senior executive at BMG, he collaborated with iconic figures like Etta James and Ziggy Marley Ten Ten Music Group Joined Ten Ten Music Group in Nashville in 2005, serving as VP of A&R until 2013  Disney Music Publishing In June 2013, Patrick was named Vice President of Music Publishing and A&R for Disney Music Publishing in Nashville. In this role, he handled creative leadership, expanded the writer roster, and managed the exploitation of Disney’s extensive song catalog. Recent Work & Local Legacy After his stint