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Specialty Matcha Podcast
Sanko Matcha Products
84 episodes
4 days ago
The Specialty Matcha Podcast is hosted by Ryan Ahn and Zongjun Li, cofounders of Sanko Matcha Products. We discuss the growth in popularity of matcha, innovation, and matcha science. We also interview thought leaders, tea merchants, and tea educators to discuss everything from sourcing, processing, blending, milling, storytelling, health claims, and much more. Sanko Matcha Products is a startup dedicated to using functional design to create contemporary matcha gear and the use of new technology to innovate the matcha milling process.
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The Specialty Matcha Podcast is hosted by Ryan Ahn and Zongjun Li, cofounders of Sanko Matcha Products. We discuss the growth in popularity of matcha, innovation, and matcha science. We also interview thought leaders, tea merchants, and tea educators to discuss everything from sourcing, processing, blending, milling, storytelling, health claims, and much more. Sanko Matcha Products is a startup dedicated to using functional design to create contemporary matcha gear and the use of new technology to innovate the matcha milling process.
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Specialty Matcha Podcast
We made an interesting discovery

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss their journey in developing a countertop matcha mill and the challenges they face in sourcing high-quality tencha. They explore the unexpected flavor profiles discovered in fresh milled gyokuro and the science behind milling and flavor extraction. The conversation delves into the contradictions within the matcha industry, the power dynamics at play, and the future of specialty matcha.

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4 days ago
1 hour 7 minutes 50 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
The Price of Transparency

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) delve into the complexities of transparency in the matcha industry. They discuss the challenges faced by farmers and brands in sharing sourcing information, the importance of consumer education, and the evolving market dynamics that influence pricing and quality. Ultimately, they envision a future where consumer preferences shape the matcha landscape, leading to a richer and more diverse culture around matcha consumption.



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1 week ago
1 hour 2 minutes 34 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Matcha Sensory

In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) explore matcha through the lens of sensory science, flavor profiling, and quality assessment. They discuss cultural perspectives on taste, the socially-constructed nature of quality assessment, the role of descriptive analysis, and different frameworks for tasting. The episode concludes with comparative tastings examining the effects of temperature and dilution in matcha preparation, differences across matcha blends, and a comparison between two hand-picked, single-cultivar Asahi matchas made from Uji-grown tencha: one organic and kanreisha (shelf) shaded, the other conventionally grown and honzu shaded.

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2 weeks ago
1 hour 12 minutes 38 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
An Afternoon with a Chashi

https://forms.gle/48rLN1nXi6vAC1YF6


In this episode, the hosts delve into the intricate world of matcha blending after spending an afternoon with a top-ranked chashi. The conversation covered topics such as new and exciting cultivars, compromises made when blending lower quality tencha, and their options of Chinese matcha which might surprise you!


Koto Tea Space / Chajin Life in Bangkok recorded this great video referenced in the episode where they touch on one of the theories behind the "shiro" poetic naming convention and the role chashi's have played historically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8U25u1BuK0

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3 weeks ago
1 hour 12 minutes 21 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Currency of Trust

*Correction: Uji City produced only 37.6 tons of tencha in 2024, not 70 tons. I confused this number with the area of actively farmed tea cultivation in Uji City which is 73.6 hectares (source: https://www.pref.kyoto.jp/nosan/documents/r6chachosa2.pdf)


In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) delve into the intricate relationship between trust and the matcha industry. They explore how trust serves as the primary undercurrent of the industry, the complexities surrounding Uji matcha, and the challenges of mislabeling and transparency in the supply chain. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the context behind matcha sourcing and production, as well as the evolving expectations of consumers in a rapidly changing market.

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1 month ago
55 minutes 18 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with Cosmic Cultures, Lissi and Zach

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) welcome Lissi and Zach from Cosmic Cultures. They discuss the importance of low intervention agricultural practices in matcha, especially regarding the use of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides . The conversation delves into the importance of building relationships with farmers, the evolving landscape of matcha sourcing, and the significance of educating consumers about the quality and taste of naturally grown matcha. They also touch on the future of the matcha industry and the impact of organic certifications on consumer choices.


https://cosmic-cultures.com/

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1 month ago
58 minutes 58 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Korean Matcha (Malcha)

In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) explore the history and evolving landscape of matcha and Korean tea culture. They discuss the globalization of matcha, the impact of Japanese colonial history, and the modern practices of tea production in Korea, particularly in regions like Jeju Island but also Boseong and Hadong. The conversation highlights the unique characteristics of Korean matcha, its potential in the global market, and the cultural narratives surrounding tea.


The Korean Way of Tea in History and Today (Lecturer: Brother Anthony)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE9laWgT5gE

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1 month ago
56 minutes 55 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with Per Oscar Brekell

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) talk with Oscar Brekell, a renowned expert and author in Japanese tea. He is the founder of the tea brand Senchaism, author of multiple books including A beginner's guide to Japanese Tea, and is a certified Nihoncha instructor.


They explore Oscar's journey into the world of Japanese tea, the inner workings of tea research institutes, and the significance of cultivar development and processing techniques in shaping the flavors of tea. The conversation delves into the tea ecosystem in Japan, the auction systems, and the evolving landscape of matcha cultivation. Oscar emphasizes the importance of processing over terroir in determining the quality of tea and providing insights into the future of tea cultivation.


This conversation explores the modern interpretation of single origin and the implications of a globalized matcha market. They also highlight the changing preferences of younger consumers and the potential future of tea consumption.


Our new podcast music is here! Huge thanks to Garrett Rabian for composing and recording it.


https://www.instagram.com/brekell/

https://senchaism.myshopify.com/

https://www.brekell.com/

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1 month ago
1 hour 35 minutes 50 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
New Culture Creation & End of Season 3

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Sam (Zongjun) reflect on the evolution of matcha culture, the challenges posed by a global shortage, and the importance of embracing new consumer trends. They discuss the cultural shifts in matcha consumption, the stigmatization of non-Japanese matcha, and the need for a more inclusive global matcha community. The conversation highlights the potential for matcha to thrive as a global beverage while addressing the complexities of supply and quality.

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2 months ago
55 minutes 7 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with Soy Té, Carolina

In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview Carolina , founder of Soy Té, who shares her tea journey. Carolina discusses the evolution of the matcha scene in Mexico, the different consumer groups, and the cultural influences on matcha consumption. She also shares her experiences in Japan, the challenges of sourcing quality matcha, and the importance of educating consumers about matcha. The conversation highlights the need for transparency in the industry and the significance of maintaining cultural appreciation in the tea world.


https://soyte.mx/

IG: @soytemx

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2 months ago
50 minutes 48 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with Abby the Matcha Scientist

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview Abby, a matcha scientist, who shares her journey from getting a PhD in chemical engineering at Stanford to exploring the world of matcha. The conversation delves into the science behind matcha, the challenges in researching it, and the importance of consumer education and transparency in the matcha industry. Abby discusses her use of colorimetry to measure matcha quality and the need for more scientific studies on matcha's health benefits. The episode concludes with Abby's future plans for her content and community engagement.


Follow Abby: @thematchascientist

thematchascientist.com

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2 months ago
43 minutes 3 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Tea farming, tencha processing, and cultivars with Pau from Tea Nursery

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) welcome back Pau from Tea Nursery to discuss various aspects of tea cultivation and processing. The conversation delves into the 2025 spring harvest in Wazuka, including weather impacts and frost prevention techniques. They explore the realities of tea farming and the physical demands of tencha processing. The discussion also covers matcha fertilization practices, the effects of environmental stress on tea plants, and the unique characteristics of extreme-shaded tea leaves that turn a pale white color. They touch on the influence of traditional techniques on modern tea processing and the creation of unique matcha flavors.

They also discuss the significance of Zairai and the challenges of maintaining genetic diversity in tea plants. The conversation also highlights the impact of market pressures on tea farmers and the ongoing matcha shortage crisis, exploring how the industry is adapting to these challenges and the future of matcha production.


https://www.teanursery.com/

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3 months ago
1 hour 51 minutes 33 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with Rocky's Matcha, Rocky

In this episode of the Specialty Match Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview Rocky Xu, founder of Rocky's Matcha. They discuss Rocky's journey into the world of matcha, the evolution of his brand, and the importance of authenticity and community in building a successful business. Rocky shares insights from his previous experience at Nike and how it has influenced his approach to branding and collaborations. The conversation also touches on sourcing philosophy and the significance of preserving tradition.


https://www.rockysmatcha.com/

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3 months ago
57 minutes 51 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with Zenkyu Matcha, Kensuke Suji

In this episode of the Specialty Match Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview Kensuke Suji, Founder of Zenkyu Matcha based in Tokyo. Suji-san shares his journey from a corporate marketing career at Procter & Gamble to launching his own matcha brand. He discusses the cultural perceptions of matcha in Japan, the challenges of sourcing quality matcha, and the importance of mindfulness in the matcha making experience. The conversation also touches on market trends, consumer preferences, and the future of matcha in a global context.


https://zenkyumatcha.com/

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3 months ago
43 minutes 41 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with No Bad Matcha, James

In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun interview James from No Bad Matcha, discussing the evolution of matcha in the Philippines, the challenges faced in the specialty cafe industry, and the importance of sourcing high-quality matcha. James shares insights on consumer preferences, recipe development, matcha workflows, and the future of matcha in the region, emphasizing the need for education, quality control, and of course... no bad matcha.

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3 months ago
47 minutes 30 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with Haru Matcha, Nicha and Francis

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) talk to Nicha and Francis, the cofounders of Haru Matcha based in London. The discussion dives into the UK matcha scene, their experience visiting tea farms in Gokasho and other regions around Uji, and how they’ve built their brand. Nicha and Francis also share their unique perspective as professional behavioral scientists, exploring how theories and frameworks from consumer behavioral science can be leveraged to position products and communicate value in matcha.


https://harumatcha.co.uk/

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4 months ago
1 hour 22 minutes 47 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Uji and Yame 2025 with Jacque & Matcha

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) talk with Jacque from Jacque & Matcha, exploring her recent experiences in Japan. They discuss the importance of in-person connections, the unique insights gained from educational tours, and the challenges faced by tea farmers. The conversation highlights the role of women in the tea industry, the significance of cultural exchanges, and the future of tea production. Jacque shares her inspiring moments with farmers and the collaborative projects she is involved in, emphasizing the need for sustainable practices and community support in the tea industry.

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4 months ago
1 hour 1 minute

Specialty Matcha Podcast
How is Matcha Milled?

In this episode of the Specialty Match Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) delve into the world of matcha milling. They explore various milling mechanisms, including traditional stone-ground (ishi usu) matcha, and modern approaches such as ball mills and jet mills. The conversation highlights the operational complexities of these machines, the importance of particle morphology and heat management, and the grinding mechanisms of each method.


Additionally, they announce features of the matcha mill they are currently developing, Sanko Usu One, to mill matcha fresh anywhere and everywhere to a similar quality standard of a traditional stone ishi usu. For more information on Sanko Usu One, please email hello@sanko-cha.com or message us on Instagram @sanko_matcha or @specialtymatcha for a link-only Notion page with all of the details . Pre-orders for the beta program open in September, 2025!

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4 months ago
49 minutes 26 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
Interview with Matcha Yu Tea, Erin (audio improved)

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) welcome Erin Lindwall, founder of Matcha Yu, to discuss her journey into the world of matcha, the evolution of matcha culture in Australia, and the challenges faced in the tea industry. Erin shares her experiences in Japan, the importance of quality and education in matcha, and the cultural significance of matcha. The conversation also touches on the growing interest in matcha among younger generations and the impact of coffee culture on matcha consumption.


https://www.matchayutea.com/

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4 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes 23 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
2025 Harvest Season with Marc from Ooika Part 2

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan, Sam, and Marc discuss the intricacies of the tea industry, focusing on matcha and hojicha. They reflect on Marc's recent trip to Japan, where he learned about the challenges faced by tea farmers, the cultural significance of tea, and the dynamics of the market. The conversation delves into the future of matcha production, the impact of consumer behavior on pricing, and the potential for hojicha to become a specialty product.

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5 months ago
1 hour 1 minute 6 seconds

Specialty Matcha Podcast
The Specialty Matcha Podcast is hosted by Ryan Ahn and Zongjun Li, cofounders of Sanko Matcha Products. We discuss the growth in popularity of matcha, innovation, and matcha science. We also interview thought leaders, tea merchants, and tea educators to discuss everything from sourcing, processing, blending, milling, storytelling, health claims, and much more. Sanko Matcha Products is a startup dedicated to using functional design to create contemporary matcha gear and the use of new technology to innovate the matcha milling process.