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🏉 Welcome to The Overlap Rugby! 🏉
This is Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender.
Join rugby legends Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell as they share real stories, fresh perspectives, and dive into everything you love about the game.
We'll have legendary guests from ex-pros, to celebrity fans. This is your front-row seat to everything rugby - from unforgettable moments to untold stories.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes broadcasting legend Clare Balding to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Scott Quinnell and Tom Shanklin. 🚨
Clare opens up about her time at the heart of rugby league, why she believes the sport has fallen behind union, and what needs to change to secure its future. She reflects on the impact of the London 2012 Olympics, how it became a turning point for women’s sport, and what she’s seen since in terms of growth and visibility. 👑
Away from rugby, Clare shares behind-the-scenes stories from Celebrity Traitors, the challenges of fronting huge national events, and how her passion for sport has shaped her broadcasting career. 🧐
A wide-ranging and inspiring conversation with one of the most respected voices in British sport. It is NOT to be missed!
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Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Scott Quinell and Red Roses legend Nolli Waterman are joined by Welsh rugby legend Shane Williams.
From being told he was too small for rugby to becoming World Player of the Year, Shane opens up on his remarkable journey through the highs and lows of Welsh rugby. He reveals the truth about his bust-up with Warren Gatland, what it was really like during Wales’ golden era, and how he ended up coming out of retirement for the Lions! 🦁
The group also dive into Shane’s debut against New Zealand, the pressure of international rugby, and why beating England always meant so much. 🏴
With just two days until the Red Roses launch their World Cup campaign, we look at what success will looks like for England and Nolli tells how pressure has such a big affect on players, no matter how good they are! 🌹
🔥 A mix of brutal honesty, behind-the-scenes stories, and iconic rugby moments you won’t want to miss.
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Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back with a bang as ex-special forces Jason Fox parachutes into the studio for a hard-hitting episode with Katy Daley-Mclean, Lawrence Dallaglio, Topsy Ojo and Lewis Moody just in time for the Women’s World Cup. 🪂
Jason lifts the lid on covert missions, reveals SAS: Who Dares Wins intel, and debriefs us on what happened when Lawrence and his England teammates faced a brutal military-style boot camp. He also opens up about his battle with PTSD, the mission to stay authentic, and why pressure either makes or breaks you.
Elsewhere, Katy and the team preview the tournament’s biggest talking points and are joined by actor Amy Nelsen, who plays Emily Valentine, the first recorded female rugby player, in Defender’s new World Cup campaign. 🏉
From leadership and mental resilience to iconic rugby stories and historic moments this is a powerful episode you won’t want to miss.
Over and out 🫡
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Coming to you from Down Under, we've got a Shanks and Scott special episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, break down all the drama from the Lions' final test. 🏆
Was a 3–0 Lions whitewash on the cards? Did Australia do enough to earn their win? And should Rugby Australia be worried about what’s coming next?
The lads dig into the series highs and lows, assess standout players, and chat about how impressed they were with the travelling Lions' fans! 🦁
Big opinions, test match fallout, and plenty of tour chaos all from the heart of Australia. 🇦🇺
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Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, returns with Lawrence Dallaglio and Katy Daly-McLean joined by birthday boy Topsy Ojo and England World Cup winner Lewis Moody!
Lewis reflects on the moment he became the first England player in 105 years to get a red card at Twickenham, relives his 2003 World Cup memories, and reveals the truth behind his “Mad Dog” nickname, including that infamous scrap with Alex Tuilagi.
Topsy opens up about scoring twice on debut against New Zealand (and still getting dropped), how close he came to joining Toulouse, and the moment he decided to give rugby one last shot on a gap year.
The panel also debates the Lions’ epic comeback against Australia, whether England’s fly-half debate is finally settled, and how Maro Itoje has handled captaincy on tour.
From red cards and World Cup glory to family lessons, drinking culture and missed opportunities, this is Lewis and Topsy as you’ve never heard them before.
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Topsy Ojo and Lewis Moody join Lawrence and Katy this week as they sit down with England legend Neil Back for an unfiltered look back at one of rugby’s most fascinating careers.
Neil reflects on the controversies that defined him — from being banned for (allegedly) pushing a referee to masterminding the infamous “Hand of Back” in the 2002 European Cup Final and if he has any regrets.
There’s plenty of British & Irish Lions reaction too, as the panel debates this year’s squad, Neil shares his Lions memories and lifts the lid on what really happens on tour.
He opens up about his journey from being laughed at as a youngster to lifting the 2003 World Cup, and explains how a six-month ban shaped the player he became.
There are stories of brutal bleep tests, fierce rivalries and chaotic moments — including the time Back knocked out a fan after the 1999 World Cup.
00:00 - Lewis Moody & Topsy Ojo Step In For Shanks & Scott!
05:07 - Dream Teammates: Past or Present
08:25 - Teaser
09:33 - Behind-the-Scenes & Delicacy of the Week
10:09 - Quickfire Questions
20:24 - Neil Back’s Sporting Upbringing
24:05 - Breaking the Mould as a Back Row Forward
28:01 - Nottingham, Leicester & England U21s
32:07 - Leicester Standout Moments
35:27 - Drinking Culture
37:41 - Leicester vs Wasps Rivalry
40:47 - Pilkington Cup Final & 6-Month Ban
42:37 - The Hand of Back Explained
47:27 - England’s 2003 World Cup Win
50:00 - Fight With a Fan in 1999
52:20 - Dean Richards & Clive Woodward
55:15 - The Holy Trinity Back Row
01:00:09 - World Cup Anti-Climax?
01:02:45 - Lions First Test Picks & New Format Debate
01:12:45 - Either/Or Quiz
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Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Scott Quinnell and special guest host Sarah Hunter sit down with one of Welsh rugby’s most recognisable names: Gavin Henson! 🏴
Gavin opens up about his unique career journey, from filming The Bachelor when he got called up to play for Wales, to what it really means to retire on your own terms. He lifts the lid on the routines that shaped him, his love of football (and setting up Super Fox United!), and how supporting Man United fuelled his passion for sport.
The team dive into Gavin’s best memories in the Wales shirt, plus Lions predictions, playing both league and union, and the position he always loved most.
Gavin also shares how The Chimp Paradox changed his mindset, why coaching can be so tough, and what he’s up to now with his company U-Test and his pub, The Fox.
And yes, we couldn’t resist ranking some of his most iconic haircuts too! 💇♂️
One of rugby’s most fascinating characters, opening up on fame, football, fond memories and future plans.
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Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back — and this week we’re joined by legendary Michelin-starred chef Tom Kerridge, alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Katy Daley-Mclean and Scott Quinnell.
Tom lifts the lid on his incredible journey from the rugby pitch in Gloucester to running one of the UK’s most acclaimed kitchens. He shares how his time in the front row shaped his career, the high-pressure crossover between rugby and fine dining, and what he learned from chefs like Rick Stein and shows like Great British Menu.
The team dive into everything from Shanks’ baking, feeding rugby players vs Williams Racing, and Tom being snubbed on the F1 grid at Silverstone 2025 by Martin Brundle... for Tom Holland.
On the rugby front, there’s pride in coaching his son’s team, shoutouts for rising stars like Henry Pollock, and strong views on the British & Irish Lions and the Owen Farrell vs George Ford debate — with Andy Farrell never far from the conversation.
Tom also opens up about his alcohol recovery, mental health, and the mindset it took to earn multiple Michelin Stars, all while navigating fame, TV and the intensity of hospitality life.
Oh, and there’s Glastonbury chat, Oasis love, and an unexpected pit stop from Scott…
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Stick to Rugby is hitting the road once again, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio and Tom Shanklin sit down with England’s Mike Brown.
Brown opens up about the mindset that made him one of the Premiership’s fiercest competitors, why Harlequins and England meant everything to him, and how he handled the big fall-out with Eddie Jones.
He reflects on the controversial Premiership Final, the chip on his shoulder that fuelled his career, and the clashes (including a secret punch in the 🍒 from Dallaglio in a ruck) that shaped him on the pitch.
The lads also tackle what rugby needs to fix for the next generation, the pressures of international selection, and whether Brown regrets how it all ended with England.
Brutally honest, fiery and full of stories… this is Mike Brown as you’ve never heard him before!
00:00 On the Road is BACK!
01:27 Reacting to Gallagher Premiership Final Loss
04:35 What Michael Cheika brought to Leicester Tigers
06:08 The Secret to Mike Brown’s Longevity
12:18 How Mike got into Rugby
21:00 Mike’s Relationship with the Media and THAT Interview
23:11 Most Proud Moments in Mike’s Career
26:05 How Mike’s Relationship with Eddie Jones Changed
30:33 Mike’s Bestfriends in Rugby
32:55 Mike’s Toughest Opposition
37:04 Most Underrated Players
38:45 Players who Taught Mike the Most
42:45 Best Moments in Mike’s Career
44:50 Life After Retirement
48:00 Mike’s Call to Arms to Help Rugby
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We take Stick to Rugby on the road again this week, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio and Scott Quinnell are joined by rugby legend Kevin Sinfield.
From signing pro at just 13 to captaining that iconic Leeds Rhinos side and now coaching with England, Kevin opens up about the highs and heartbreaks of a remarkable career including what it was like losing five Challenge Cup finals and his incredible friendship with Rob Burrow
They dive into Sinfield’s biggest sliding door moments, whether he prefers rugby union or league, and the powerful truth behind raising millions for MND.
Plus, he lifts the lid on his England role, coaching philosophy and the advice he’d give to his younger self!
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees hosts Lawrence Dallaglio, Thomas Shanklin, and Katy Daley-Mclean sit down with Louis Rees-Zammit for a rapid-fire, globe-trotting episode packed with personal reflections, jaw-dropping transitions, and untold stories from both sides.
Rees-Zammit kicks things off with quickfire questions before opening up on his early love for football, his obsession with Cristiano Ronaldo, and the American football influence he soaked up at home thanks to his dad. He reveals the moment he was told he’d never play for Wales after leaving Cardiff Blues — and how he proved everyone wrong by making his Test debut just years later.
He relives his proudest moment in a Wales jersey, what it meant to finally play in front of Welsh fans, and doesn’t shy away from the team’s recent struggles. There’s Lions chat too — from the surreal COVID tour that “felt like training games” to passing the torch (and mascot duties) on to Pollock.
Then it’s all eyes on the NFL. Rees-Zammit shares how he knew it was time to make the leap, the brutal reality of trying to make it in the States, and how it felt getting picked up by the Kansas City Chiefs. He reveals the physical toll of NFL training (rugby players beware), reflects on the massive life decision he faced at 22, and the inspiration he took from Travis Clayton. Oh — and there’s a surprise letter from Taylor Swift.
Finally, he answers the big question: could a return to rugby still be on the cards? And what has he come to love most about life in America?
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees hosts Lawrence Dallaglio, Louis Rees-Zammit, and Katy Daley-Mclean welcome Wallaby legend George Gregan for a fast-paced, story-packed deep dive into finals pressure, Rugby League rumours, and the magic of biggest moments.
Rees-Zammit reflects on the surreal moment he was picked for the Lions at 19, and the huge sense of relief when a defender pulled up just before a 1v1 in the final. He lifts the lid on Finn Russell’s leadership, his outrageous performance at the weekend — and why he's the guy that holds it all together. Gregan agrees… and admits Finn seriously worries him.
Gregan breaks down who to watch for the Wallabies this summer and gives his verdict on the Australia Women’s chances against the USA at the World Cup. He takes us back to that tackle on Jeff Wilson, winning the '99 World Cup, and the roar of 40,000 fans at the Hong Kong 7s. He also shares who inspired him growing up — and who really calls the shots in a team full of egos.
There’s code-switching chat too: Gregan on nearly jumping to Rugby League in the 90s — and Dallaglio revealing when the Bradford Bulls came knocking.
Plus, the panel break down Bath’s massive Premiership final win and share what makes a defining moment at the top level.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes former Ireland and British & Irish Lions centre Rob Henderson to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin and Katy Daley-Mclean for a fast-paced and emotional deep dive into Irish rugby’s rise, Lions heartbreak and life on tour.
Henderson opens up about his late start in rugby, why it was “always Ireland” for him, and how the iconic 2001 win over England became a defining moment for Irish rugby. He reflects on the Lions tour to Australia, the devastation of the Test series loss, and the famous “we ran out of petrol” line that still haunts him.
There are tales of chaos and camaraderie; sharing a room with Lawrence, getting fake tanned before games, and when the Irish team met the Pope. He reveals how Clive Woodward changed his career, why “you hate losing more than you like winning”, and what it meant to earn his first cap.
From huge hits to wild stories, this episode captures the full spectrum of rugby life: unfiltered, hilarious, and deeply personal.
Once a Lion, always a Lion. Don’t miss it.
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We take Stick to Rugby on the road this week, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin and the returning Joe Marler jump in for some front-seat rugby chat (and chaos).
From Shaun Edwards banning music in the dressing room, to Joe Marler’s obsession with coleslaw and his death row meal pick — this is a no-filter ride through rugby’s funniest, weirdest, and most unexpected stories.
The lads also lift the lid on what it’s really like being a “bench captain”, debate the direction the game’s heading, and reveal their dream five-a-side team made entirely of rugby players.
One car. Three legends. Unlimited nonsense.
00:00 – Marler’s Back
01:46 – Young Joe Marler
02:26 – One Thing Joe Regrets
04:46 – Inside the ‘Bench Captain’ Role
09:56 – Andy Powell & Bench Stories
11:50 – Motorway Service & Dressing Rooms
15:55 – Feedback: Giving & Taking It
19:03 – Death Row Meal
25:29 – Initiation Songs & Marler’s 5-a-Side Team
28:44 – Dan Cole Appreciation
31:40 – Social Media: Good or Bad for Rugby?
33:34 – Stick to Rugby: The Movie Cast
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes England’s youngest-ever captain Will Carling to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell for a personal and honest conversation about leadership, pressure, and life beyond the game.
Will opens up about being handed the England captaincy at just 22, the internal battles he faced, and the moments he knew he bottled it. He shares how handwritten letters helped him connect with his teammates and why leadership is about “the little touches.”
The team revisits his media challenges, post-career struggles, and the mental toll of going from national icon to “car crash years.” Carling also lifts the lid on his role under Eddie Jones, why Clive Woodward built the better environment, and how English rugby has struggled to replicate success since 2003.
There are plenty of stories along the way — from meeting Nelson Mandela and Robin Williams, to why his teammates bet on how long he’d last as captain, and how Peter Winterbottom terrified everyone.
One of English rugby’s most defining figures joins the show for a look back on legacy, leadership and life in the spotlight.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees Adam “Bomb” Jones join Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Katy Daley-McLean, and Scott Quinnell for a brilliantly unfiltered chat about World Cup pain, Welsh rugby politics, and his infamous fallout with Steve Hansen.
Adam opens up on the toughest moments of his career—from being hooked after 30 minutes by Hansen to the emotional toll of World Cup failure. He reveals how that moment changed him, what really happened behind the scenes, and why it became the turning point in his career.
He shares heartfelt memories of Jerry Collins, his surprising coaching ambitions with Wales, and how Joe Marler became one of the most misunderstood players in rugby.
From raw honesty to all-time tour stories, this one’s packed with character, chaos and a few emotional curveballs.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Henry Pollock to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin and Scott Quinnell—fresh off the back of his Lions call-up.
Pollock opens up on how he found out—live on TV with no heads-up—and the chaos that followed, including a missed call to his mum and the emotional moment it all hit. He reflects on the Leinster semi-final as his “now or never” moment, how he’s coping with the hype, and why the pressure is only just beginning.
He also lifts the lid on his whirlwind rise—from schoolboy fancy dress to Lions selection in just 12 months—plus insight into the squad WhatsApp (or lack of one), meeting Maro Itoje, and what the Lions kit bag really means.
With talk of Northampton vs Leinster, the upcoming Champions Cup final, and how Pollock plans to prove why he’s been picked.
00:00 – Intro
06:01 – Behind the Scenes & Delicacy of the Week
07:15 – WHO AM I? Panel Game
13:00 – Lions Call-Up Moment
14:40 – Henry’s Diogo Dalot Celebration
17:24 – Looking After BIL the Lion
20:25 – Messages from Famous Players
21:58 – Telling His Parents About the Lions Call-Up
23:06 – Henry’s Rapid Rise
24:34 – Early Lions Memories
26:00 – Tour Stories & Squad Antics
29:35 – World Cup Win vs Lions Tour Win?
31:11 – Biggest Admission from the Squad
33:01 – Who Henry’s Most Excited to Meet
35:00 – Worst Roommate Story
35:55 – Family Sporting Background
38:07 – When Henry First Got into Rugby
39:20 – School Days & Education Path
40:47 – Rugby Heroes Growing Up
42:50 – Youth Career & Development
44:44 – Career Highlight (So Far)
51:15 – Drama of the Leinster Semi-Final
52:58 – Champions Cup Final vs Bordeaux
54:10 – Winning vs Losing: Henry’s Mindset
55:30 – Big Goals & Ambitions
56:19 – Favourite Position on the Pitch
58:55 – Challenge Cup Predictions
1:02:07 – Pre-Season Plans
1:02:44 – Panel Quiz Finale!
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The latest special episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees Warren Gatland return to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean and Tom Shanklin for a no-holds-barred look at the chaos, controversy and legacy of the British & Irish Lions.
Back for his second appearance, Gatland reflects on the moments that shaped — and nearly sank — his time as Lions head coach. From off-field issues that split squads to the brutal selection calls he still stands by.
He opens up on the “clown nose” backlash, the fallout from dropping Brian O’Driscoll, and the tensions that ran through multiple tours. There’s insight on managing Sexton, the rivalry with Farrell, and the pressure that comes with leading the Lions.
Off the field, Gatland recalls a near-death experience abroad, the need to restore pride in the jersey, and the text Phil Vickery got from his mum after getting dropped.
A brutally honest conversation with one of rugby’s biggest coaching figures — this is the Lions, unfiltered.
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00:00 - Welcome Back Warren Gatland
00:30 - What Makes the Lions So Special?
01:19 - The Best Advice
03:11 - Teaser
04:10 - First Time Inside a Lions Camp
06:30 - Coaching His First Lions Tour
08:55 - 2005 vs 2009: A Tale of Two Tours
10:35 - Brutal Selection Calls & Squad Morale
11:58 - Gatland’s Most Iconic Lions Games
14:41 - The Toughest Part of Coaching the Lions
17:01 - Schalk Burger’s Eye Gouge Incident
18:08 - O’Driscoll Concussion & 2009 Injury Chaos
20:12 - Getting Close to Rival Nations
21:24 - Phil Vickery’s Mum
22:00 - Safari Story
22:58 - Comparing 2009 and 2013 Lions Tours
25:25 - Wales’ 2008 Tour of South Africa
26:31 - The Truth Behind Dropping Brian O’Driscoll
30:30 - Knowing When the Game’s in the Bag
34:07 - Inside the 2017 Lions Tour
38:33 - Taking on the New Zealand Media
43:45 - Reflections on Selections & Leadership
44:22 - Drawing the 2017 Series
46:59 - Owen Farrell & Managing Johnny Sexton
49:43 - Gatland’s Any Other Business
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Freddie Steward to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin, and Scott Quinnell for an exclusive deep dive into his England career, the Red Roses’ Grand Slam, and life at Leicester Tigers.
Steward opens up about the emotional rollercoaster of England’s World Cup semi-final heartbreak, how media pressure fuelled the squad, and the lasting impact of that South Africa defeat. He also lifts the lid on his rivalry with Marcus Smith, dealing with being dropped, and what it’s really like when a fly-half takes your shirt!
The panel dives into the Red Roses' Grand Slam triumph, the brutal difference between club and international rugby, and the fierce competition for England shirts.
Steward also reveals how working with sports psychologists transformed his career, why Ellis Genge’s leadership was crucial, and how Michael Cheika reignited Leicester’s charge this season.
And don’t miss Freddie’s verdict on the best full-back in world rugby right now!
A revealing and honest conversation with one of rugby’s fastest-rising stars—don’t miss it!
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes football icon Stuart Pearce to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell for a no-filter crossover into rugby, football, and everything in between.
Pearce opens up about the terrifying mid-air health scare that nearly ended in disaster, how he found strength in rugby league culture, and the surprising bond he shares with Warrington Wolves. From Brian Clough’s old-school genius to his secret life as “Yak Yanson,” a Russian goalkeeper in Sunday League, the stories don’t get more surreal than this.
There’s plenty of love for Gazza’s wildest moments, Pearce’s memories of Euro ‘96 pressure, and the truth behind the Nottingham Forest applause that had him thinking “I’m not dead yet.”
Plus, punk gigs with Gareth Southgate, the Stranglers with Mike Tindall, and why Roy Keane was a midfield war.
A hilarious, heartfelt, and totally unexpected episode with one of England’s hardest men in football—don’t miss it!
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