Sustainability Wired plugs into the thinking that moves sustainable finance. Hosted by Lorenzo Saa, Chief Sustainability Officer at Clarity AI, each episode features candid conversations with leading investors, innovators, and sustainability experts about the real-world challenges shaping sustainable investing today. From the role of AI in investment decision-making to the future of regulation, we explore the ideas, tools, and trends that matter.
Follow for fresh insights at the intersection of finance, sustainability, and innovation.
Sustainability Wired plugs into the thinking that moves sustainable finance. Hosted by Lorenzo Saa, Chief Sustainability Officer at Clarity AI, each episode features candid conversations with leading investors, innovators, and sustainability experts about the real-world challenges shaping sustainable investing today. From the role of AI in investment decision-making to the future of regulation, we explore the ideas, tools, and trends that matter.
Follow for fresh insights at the intersection of finance, sustainability, and innovation.
In this wide-ranging and timely episode of Sustainability Wired, host Lorenzo Sáa is joined by Ioannis Ioannou, Associate Professor of Strategy and Entrepreneurship at London Business School. The pair reflect on what the ESG backlash of 2025 has revealed, and what it means for investors, companies, and policymakers heading into 2026.
Drawing on nearly two decades of academic research at the intersection of sustainability, corporate strategy, and financial markets, Ioannis offers a clear-eyed assessment of where sustainable investing has fallen short, where it has matured, and how it must now evolve. From green washing and fragmented regulation to regionalisation, data quality, and the limits of ESG ratings, this conversation goes beyond surface-level narratives to explore sustainability as a political economy and systems challenge.
Together, Lorenzo and Ioannis unpack why backlash was inevitable, how it exposed genuine commitment (and lack thereof), and why the next phase of sustainable investing will be defined by resilience, governance, and long-term system change rather than short-term compliance.
Key topics include:
Whether you’re an investor navigating regulatory uncertainty, a sustainability leader facing internal scepticism, or a policymaker grappling with coordination challenges, this episode offers thoughtful guidance on how to move forward with clarity and conviction.
🎧 Listen now for a grounded, research-led perspective on what sustainable investing needs next.
Key Moments:
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In this compelling episode of Sustainability Wired, Lorenzo Saa is joined by Dario Mangilli, Head of Sustainability at Impact SGR, to explore how sustainable and impact investing must evolve for a world facing accelerating climate impacts, geopolitical instability, and a post-ESG landscape.
Building on a conversation sparked at a conference in Milan, Lorenzo and Dario unpack what it means to invest in what he calls a “disaster economy”, a world where physical climate risks are arriving earlier than expected, traditional ESG frameworks are losing relevance, and investors are being pushed toward a more thematic, impact-driven approach.
Dario offers a unique perspective shaped by his climate policy background, academic training, and hands-on work designing listed impact strategies. Together, they discuss how to scale impact beyond niche allocations, why systemic impact investing is urgently needed, and how structural trends, from energy security to demographics and AI, will determine where capital must flow next.
Key topics include:
✅️ Impact investing at scale: Why limiting impact to 0.5–1% of pension fund portfolios is no longer viable.
✅️ ESG is over: Why generalist ESG frameworks fail—and how thematic, impact-focused strategies can replace them.
✅️ Climate risk underestimated: Satellite data showing physical risks arriving a decade earlier than models predicted.
✅️ Energy security & the Green Deal: How Europe “sold it wrong” and why sustainability must be framed around affordability and competitiveness.
✅️ Regulation that works vs. noise: SFDR, SFDR 2.0, labels, and why disclosure alone won’t drive capital.
✅️ Systemic impact approach: Applying intentionality, measurability, and impact limits across listed strategies.
✅️ AI as a structural trend: Power demand, cooling constraints, stretched valuations, and why AI could be a massive net positive—with guardrails.
✅️ Defense, mispriced sectors, and the future of sustainability narratives.
Whether you're an investor, policymaker, or sustainability leader, this episode offers a bold rethinking of how we need to invest, financially and ethically, for a world that is already changing faster than expected.
🎧 Listen now to understand how impact investing can become a systemic, future-proof investment paradigm.
00:01 - Lorenzo sets the frame: investing in a “disaster economy”
02:22 - Dario’s path into sustainability & listed impact investing
05:26 - Why impact must scale beyond private markets
16:22 - The post-ESG shift: thematic investing as the new sustainable framework
19:10 - Climate risks arriving faster than expected
21:15 - Structural trends reshaping markets
27:52 - Regulation that drives capital vs. regulation that drives compliance
35:55 - A new operating model for sustainable investing
42:38 - AI as a structural force, and a sustainability challenge
47:40 - Art, metaphors & quickfire insights
51:31 - Closing: Investing for a rapidly changing world
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In this thought-provoking episode of Sustainability Wired, Lorenzo Saa is joined by Alex Rayón, Chief Executive Officer of Brain & Code, to explore the real opportunities – and urgent challenges – posed by artificial intelligence in sustainable finance.
From AI’s staggering energy demand to its risks of bias, opacity, and concentration of power, Lorenzo and Alex go beyond the hype to unpack what responsible AI truly means for investors, businesses, and society.
Alex, a PhD in Computer Science and early researcher in neural networks, brings a rare perspective – one that spans both the technical foundations of AI and its ethical, environmental, and economic implications. Together, they explore how sustainability and AI must evolve together if we’re to unlock innovation without losing our humanity.
Key topics include:
✅️ AI’s limits and human value: What machines can’t do – and how we must redefine our work
✅️ Governance and risk: From cybersecurity to copyright, what businesses can’t afford to ignore
✅️ The hidden cost of AI: Why today’s prices don’t reflect the true energy and environmental impact
✅️ Data and bias: Why the problem isn’t AI itself, but the data we feed it
✅️ Education and the future of work: How the next generation must be trained for an AI-augmented world
✅️ Concentration and regulation: Can the EU’s approach balance innovation and ethics?
Whether you’re an investor, policymaker, or technologist, this conversation offers a refreshingly honest take on how AI can empower – but also endanger – the path to sustainable growth.
🎧Listen now to hear the full conversation.
Key Moments:
00:00 – Introduction by Lorenzo Saa
02:12 – How Alex’s AI journey began – and its link to sustainability
05:14 – The real business, individual, and societal risks of AI
08:22 – Why cybersecurity is the new frontier
10:05 – Copyright, data ownership, and the myth of “inspiration”
12:21 – Explainability vs. trust: Can we still use what we don’t fully understand?
14:36 – AI’s environmental cost and the illusion of cheap compute
17:55 – Smarter models, cleaner data, and corporate responsibility
20:16 – Can AI reduce or reinforce bias?
22:28 – Cultural blind spots and the dominance of Western data
24:00 – Are we outsourcing our intelligence? The risks of cognitive offloading
25:46 – The next generation and the changing nature of work
27:47 – Concentration of power: Big Tech, big risks
29:52 – EU vs. US regulation: Two worlds, one technology
31:37 – AGI and the myth of machine consciousness
34:37 – The net impact of AI: Positive, but only if it complements us
36:48 – The art of sustainability
37:36 – Alex’s final message: Engage responsibly, stay informed
38:12 – Quick-fire questions
39:49 – Closing thoughts and credits
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In this timely episode, Lorenzo Saa sits down with Wendy Cromwell, Vice Chair and Head of Sustainable Investment at Wellington, to unpack the case for climate adaptation across public and private markets.
Starting from the now-famous “basis points vs. RCP scenarios” story with Woodwell Climate Research Center, Wendy explains how investors and scientists can bridge languages to price physical climate risk and fund real solutions. From data gaps to the tension between decarbonisation and resilience, this is a practical guide to investing for a world already experiencing heat, drought, wildfire, hurricanes, floods, water stress, and sea level rise.
Key topics include:
✅ The adaptation imperative: why mitigation alone isn’t enough through 2040–2050
✅ Turning science into basis points: Wellington’s CERA tool and the seven perils framework
✅ Public markets for adaptation: solution providers in HVAC, generators, engineering, water, pest control, and health care
✅ Location, location, location: why disclosure of physical sites and supply chains is essential
✅ Risk in practice: issuers, municipals, securitized, and the floodplain factory example
✅ Tech enablement: NLP for idea sourcing and AI tools for supply-chain transparency
✅ Policy and markets: how asset-owner mandates and COP can elevate adaptation metrics
Whether you manage equities, credit, munis, or multi-asset, this episode shows how to assess physical risk, price resilience, and back companies that help society survive—and thrive—in a changed climate.
🎧 Listen now for concrete ways to integrate adaptation into real portfolios.
Key Moments:
00:00 – The “basis points vs. RCP scenarios” story
01:04 – Why adaptation belongs alongside mitigation
03:14 – Wendy’s path to sustainable investment leadership
07:50 – Why physical risk was neglected, and the Woodwell partnership
11:40 – The tension: decarbonisation targets vs. adaptation investments
14:31 – Inside CERA, the Climate Exposure Risk Application
16:49 – From risk to opportunity: identifying adaptation solution providers
20:25 – What counts as an adaptation company
22:41 – Case study: a $2B plant in a floodplain
24:02 – Advocating for disclosure of physical locations
26:59 – How AI and NLP support adaptation investing
28:34 – Call to action: fund solutions and assess risk
36:32 – Playing climate with both hands: mitigation and adaptation
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💰 Everyone’s talking about climate ambition. But who’s designing the systems to actually deliver it?
In this episode of Sustainability Wired, Lorenzo Saa speaks with Dan Ioschpe, Brazil’s Climate High-Level Champion for COP30. Drawing from decades in the private sector, Dan outlines how COP30 is being shaped not by slogans or new pledges—but by a detailed, globally coordinated architecture for action.
From financing roadmaps and carbon market regulation to the Tropical Forest Forever Fund, Dan breaks down the concrete mechanisms being built to turn climate goals into scalable outcomes. He also shares what this means for institutional investors—and why now is the time to engage, not retreat.
They explore:
✅ The three biggest financial outcomes to watch at COP30
✅ Why Brazil isn’t proposing new pledges—and how that enables real progress
✅ How the Action Agenda is built around 30 clear objectives, not abstract commitments
✅ What makes the Tropical Forest Forever Fund (TFF) different from traditional climate finance
✅ Why AI and data infrastructure will be critical to emerging market transition pathways
Key Moments:
00:00 - Introduction
01:56 - Dan’s private-sector background and how he became a COP30 Climate Champion
04:44 - What the High-Level Champion actually does and why it matters
07:46 - Is COP still useful after 30 years?
09:56 - What investors should and shouldn’t expect from COP30
14:17 - Climate finance: roadmap to $1.3T, carbon credits, and the TFF
17:58 - How the TFF ties forest preservation to long-term funding
20:13 - Why COP30 will focus on existing initiatives, not new pledges
26:42 - Should investors attend COP30?
31:39 - The role of AI and Infrastructure in Brazil’s Climate Strategy
35:50 - Why continuity—not headlines—is the biggest potential win of COP30
37:08 - The art of sustainability
38:07 - Rapid fire questions
40:53 - Closing statements
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In this candid and wide-ranging conversation, Lorenzo Saa sits down with James Gifford and Fiona Reynolds—former Chief Executive Officers of the Principles for Responsible Investment (PRI)—to reflect on the state of sustainable investing amid today’s headwinds.
With the PRI celebrating its 20th anniversary, this episode explores whether the organization still meets the needs of institutional investors, or whether it must radically evolve.
James and Fiona don’t hold back. They critique EU regulation, question the compliance-heavy trajectory of ESG, and challenge the PRI to pivot from advocacy to collaborative investment. They also weigh the promises and pitfalls of artificial intelligence in the sustainability space—especially in emerging markets.
Key topics include:
✅️ The ESG backlash: Why it happened, what’s fair, and what’s next
✅️ Regulation fatigue: Has sustainable investing become a box-ticking exercise?
✅️ PRI’s evolution: Should it focus on frameworks or on helping investors deploy capital?
✅️ AI’s role: Can it drive innovation or will it amplify the risks?
Whether you're an asset owner, asset manager, or sustainability leader, this episode offers hard-hitting insights on what’s broken in the system—and what must change.
🎧 Listen now to hear the full conversation with two industry pioneers who helped build the sustainable finance movement.
Key Moments:
00:00 – Intro by Lorenzo Saa
01:46 – Introduction to Fiona Reynolds and James Gifford
05:25 – ESG backlash
10:16 – ESG has become a compliance industry
15:07 – Is regulation hurting more than it helps?
23:12 – What resilience looks like
27:15 – The Principals for Responsible Investing at 20: Should it continue?
33:31 – Collaboration on policy and investment
36:23 – Rewriting the PRI principles
45:14 – Can AI help investors close the gap between ambition and action?
52:01 – What gives James and Fiona hope for the future of sustainable investing?
53:02 – The Art of Sustainability
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🔎 Is stewardship still delivering results, or just dialogue? As investor engagement on environmental and social issues faces political pushback and legal risks, investors are rethinking what effective stewardship looks like in a more demanding and skeptical environment.
In this episode of Sustainability Wired, Clarity AI’s Chief Sustainability Officer Lorenzo Saa speaks with Valeria Piani, Chair of the Climate Action 100+ Steering Committee and Head of Stewardship at Phoenix Group. They explore what’s next for stewardship and whether it can still drive meaningful change.
They discuss:
✅ Why outcomes, not activity, must define effective stewardship
✅ How Climate Action 100+ is adapting to maintain relevance and credibility
✅ The power of trust-based relationships and “click moments” in company engagement
✅ How AI can streamline research and oversight without replacing human judgment
🎧 Tune in for a candid conversation on the future of active ownership and stewardship.
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🌍 Can finance deliver climate action, or is it time to rethink the system? Amidst political headwinds and rising regulatory risks, the 1.5 °C target is slipping further out of reach. At the same time, the credibility of climate commitments is under scrutiny, prompting investors to recalibrate their approach. In this episode of Sustainability Wired, Clarity AI’s Chief Sustainability Officer Lorenzo Saa speaks with Nico Fettes, Head of Climate Research at Clarity AI, to examine the shifting climate finance landscape. They explore whether markets, policy, and technology can align to drive real impact.
They explore:
✅ Why financial markets alone can’t drive systemic change without strong policy support
✅ Why the 1.5 °C goal is still scientifically essential and shouldn’t be abandoned
✅ How investors are focusing more on near-term physical risks and resilience strategies
✅ How AI is helping assess the credibility of transition plans at scale
🎧 Tune in to hear how institutional investors can strengthen their climate strategies and why thoughtful AI use may help separate real action from noise.
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Sustainability is facing growing headwinds. Political pushback, regulatory uncertainty, and questions around performance are driving skepticism and, in some cases, retreat. Meanwhile, investors are being asked to do more with less, navigating complexity, nuance, and tradeoffs in their sustainable strategies.
Can AI help investors cut through the noise? And how can the industry rebuild trust in the value of sustainable investing?
In this episode of Sustainability Wired, Clarity AI’s Chief Sustainability Officer, Lorenzo Saa, sits down with Alex Edmans, Professor of Finance at London Business School and author of Grow the Pie, to unpack the forces reshaping sustainable investing and what can be done about them.
They explore:
✅ Why some pushback on sustainability is justified and how the industry can respond
✅ The risks of black and white thinking around climate and net zero
✅ How investors can apply nuance and tradeoff thinking in their portfolios
✅ Why AI is useful, but no substitute for human judgment in sustainable investing
✅ The future of diversity, equity, and inclusion strategies for driving long-term value
Watch now to learn why nuance, evidence, and transparency—not slogans—will define the next phase of sustainable investing.
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📌 Key Moments:
00:00 – Introduction
01:00 – Sustainable Investing Facing Headwinds
02:31 – Introduction to Alex Edmans
05:10 – Why Is There a Sustainability Backlash?
08:29 – Decoding the Research on Sustainability
12:10 – Getting Sustainability Terms Right
17: 04 – Net Zero Targets Need a New Perspective
21:00 – Nuance vs. Black & White Thinking
24:30 – Merit and Diversity in Hiring
29:56 – Finding Hidden Signals of Alpha
36:12 – Can AI Address Sustainability Challenges?
38:30 – Rapid Fire Questions
40:00 – The Art of Sustainability
44:40 – Closing Remarks
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🤖 Can artificial intelligence solve sustainable finance’s biggest problems? From data overload to regulatory fatigue, ESG investors are stretched thin. But what if AI could change that?
In this episode of Sustainability Wired, Clarity AI’s Chief Sustainability Officer, Lorenzo Saa, sits down with Neil Brown, Head of Equities at GIB Asset Management, to explore how AI is transforming investment research, reporting, and performance.
They discuss:
✅ How AI can reduce ESG data chaos—and why that matters
✅ The tools Neil uses to speed up investment decisions
✅ Whether AI can help unlock alpha in sustainable portfolios
✅ The role of AI in regulatory compliance and client reporting
✅ The risks: bias, explainability, and the Jevons paradox
✅ Why “drinking from the firehose” might actually be a good thing
Watch now to hear how one investor is using AI to enhance sustainable decision-making and why getting ahead matters before AI becomes the new normal.
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📌 Key Moments:00:00 - Introduction00:49 - How AI is powering sustainable investing02:40 - Introduction to Neil Brown05:35 - Can AI add value to investment decision-making?08:20 - How Neil is using AI in investment research10:12 - The exponential power of AI11:23 - How companies are leveraging AI for better reporting14:30 - AI and the data paradox: too much data or not enough?18:43 - How AI is solving for data gaps21:03 - Solving reporting and compliance burdens with AI24:57 - Can AI tools improve performance?27:09 - Responsible AI governance in asset management29:35 -Rapid fire questions31:25 - The art of sustainability34:29 - Closing commentary
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🌍 How much is nature worth? According to the World Bank, nearly 50% of global GDP relies on nature, yet biodiversity and ecosystems continue to be degraded at an alarming rate. Meanwhile, the UN estimates that $8.1 trillion is needed by 2050 to address the biodiversity crisis.
However, despite growing awareness, investment in nature remains slow.In this episode of Sustainability Wired, Clarity AI’s Chief Sustainability Officer, Lorenzo Saa, sits down with Rose Easton, a veteran in responsible investment, to unpack the barriers preventing greater action.
They explore:
✅ Why biodiversity has long been overshadowed by climate concerns
✅ The 3 key barriers holding investors back
✅ Whether 2025 could finally be the year of nature
✅ The role of TNFD and regulations in driving action
✅ The $8.1 trillion biodiversity investment gap—and why need ≠ opportunityWatch now to learn how investors can move beyond risk awareness and take meaningful action before the financial costs of inaction become too great to ignore.
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📌 Key Moments:
00:00 – Introduction
01:35 – Biodiversity: The Ugly Duckling of Sustainable Investing
03:11 – Meet Rose Easton
06:11 – 2025: The Year of Nature?
11:17 – 3 Barriers Holding Investors Back
14:10 – The $8.1 Trillion Biodiversity Investment Gap
18:14 – Will Regulations & TNFD Push Investors to Act?
22:25 – Rapid Fire: The Future of Biodiversity
24:10 – The Art of Sustainability
29:18 – Closing Remarks
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