In this episode of Talk to Me, Baby, we talk about what it was actually like inside the early years of our marriage—late nights, emotional spirals, shutdown, exhaustion, and the endless effort to get each other to understand what was really happening between us.

This conversation moves through shame, protection, escalation, and withdrawal. We talk about what it felt like on both sides: the desperation of trying to be seen, and the impotence of trying but feeling like nothing you do actually lands. We name the silent contracts we made to avoid setting off emotional landmines, and how that avoidance slowly cost each of us our self.

As we keep talking, marriage itself comes into view—not as romance or compatibility, but as a portal. A place that exposes everything that’s hidden. A place where identities dissolve and we begin to meet who we actually are.

Some of what we explore together:

• The difference between being clear and trying to be understood

• How shame shaped our reactions long before we could name it

• Why calmness can feel like abandonment

• How couples learn to tiptoe around pain instead of meeting it

• The exhaustion of managing perception instead of telling the truth

• Identity versus essence—and what marriage dismantles over time

• Why what we tried to bury kept detonating anyway

In our debut episode of Talk to Me, Baby, we sit down on the couch in the Healing Cabin and talk—honestly and unscripted—about resistance.

What begins as a conversation about the friction of recording a podcast opens into something deeper: how we tell the difference between resistance that’s a signal to stop and resistance that’s an invitation to grow. Together, we explore the tension between forcing and avoiding, effort and surrender, alignment and discomfort.

We reflect on resistance as an inherent part of expansion—whether in relationship, spiritual life, creative work, or personal healing. Drawing on our lived experience, shared language, and embodied insight, we explore ideas like:

• Why resistance often shows up around the things that matter most
• How irritation, friction, and discomfort don’t necessarily mean something is wrong
• The difference between forcing something and staying present with difficulty
• Resistance as the “pullback” that allows forward motion
• Growth not as a reward for enduring resistance, but as something that emerges through it
• Faith, prayer, and the question of when asking for relief may interrupt a deeper process

Rather than offering answers or conclusions, this episode models the act of staying in the conversation—listening, questioning, and allowing insight to unfold in real time.