As Divorce & Beyond closes out 2025, Susan Guthrie welcomes back Trina Nudson for a powerful bookend conversation exploring BeAligned, a revolutionary AI-powered reflection platform designed to help parents regulate emotions, interrupt the cycle of conflict, and problem-solve with their children’s wellbeing at the center. BeAligned is not another communication app, and it is not about getting co-parents to agree or behave perfectly. Instead, Trina explains how the platform meets parents where they are, supports emotional regulation in real time, and helps interrupt the conflict cycles that so often take over co-parenting relationships. Susan and Trina also explore how even one parent can shift the entire family dynamic, why co-parenting is about awareness rather than perfection, and how using technology intentionally can make co-parenting easier during emotionally charged moments. Why This Conversation Matters Co-parenting is hard even in intact families. Add divorce, grief, fear, and conflict, and it can feel overwhelming. Many parents know what they should do but struggle to access those tools in the moment when emotions take over. This conversation matters because BeAligned acknowledges the reality of human emotions and provides support in real time. It helps parents step out of fight, flight, freeze, or fawn, see the bigger picture, and create solutions that protect childhoods without relying on blame, shame, or court intervention. You Will Learn: Why it only takes one parent to shift the co-parenting dynamic Why co-parenting is not about perfection, but about awareness and regulation How BeAligned helps parents move from reaction to alignment and interrupt the cycle of conflict How technology can support calmer communication without replacing attorneys, therapists, or coaches Why focusing on children’s needs changes everything Special Offer from Trina Nudson and BeAligned: Trina is generously offering Divorce & Beyond listeners 90 days of free access to BeAligned using code BEYOND.  No credit card required. You’ll get full access to the platform’s reflection tools and support resources, and an invitation to share feedback that helps improve and expand its impact.Visit http://BeAligned.app to get started. About the Guest:  Trina Nudson is a family law attorney, mediator, court-appointed guardian ad litem, child advocate, Certified Divorce Coach® (CDC®), Divorce Coaching Academy® graduate (DCA®), and Licensed Bachelor Social Worker with more than 25 years of experience in the trenches of high-conflict co-parenting and family systems. She is the founder of The Layne Project, owner of My Child Advocate, PA, and the creator of the evidence-based BeH2O® co-parenting system and BeAligned™, an AI-powered reflection platform that helps parents move from reaction to alignment. Across thousands of cases, Trina has worked alongside judges, attorneys, therapists, and schools to center children’s wellbeing while helping parents navigate some of the hardest seasons of their lives. Her mission is simple and non-negotiable: safeguarding childhoods by helping adults show up with clarity, steadiness, and purpose—especially when it’s hard. Websites:BeAligned: http://bealigned.app BeH20: http://BeH2OCoparenting.com Social Media: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trina-nudson-19b169149/ Divorce and Beyond Appearances: The Business of Co-Parenting: How Neuroscience and Mindset Coaching Are Transforming Conflict into Collaboration with Trina Nudson on Divorce & Beyond ===================== Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the

Divorce can feel like you’re unravelling from the inside out, and today Dr. Beth Karassik and Louise Zito, Esq. join Susan E. Guthrie to explain why and how you can regain your emotional footing.  If you’re overwhelmed, scared, or emotionally flooded in the middle of divorce, there is a scientific reason for it and there are ways to steady yourself, even when everything around you feels chaotic. In this powerful conversation, Susan Guthrie is joined by clinical psychologist and neuropsychologist Dr. Beth Karassik and longtime mediator and collaborative professional Louise Zito, Esq. to break down what’s happening in your brain and body during divorce and share practical tools for restoring calm, clarity, and control. Together, they help you understand why your reactions feel so big, why everyday decisions suddenly feel impossible, and what you can do right now to support your nervous system through one of the most destabilizing experiences of your life. Plus, for legal practitioners, discover how Beth and Louise’s work can help you re-align, re-center, and rein in the chaos of divorce work. Why This Conversation Matters When you’re navigating divorce without understanding what’s happening in your nervous system, it’s easy to blame yourself, question your decisions, or feel like you’re failing. But the truth is this: divorce places an extraordinary cognitive and emotional load on you. When you know why you’re reacting the way you are and you have tools that actually help you communicate more effectively, you make better choices, and you’re able to protect your well-being through every stage of the process. And for the professionals who support divorcing individuals, understanding these emotional dynamics (and tending to their own regulation) directly affects their ability to guide clients forward. A grounded professional creates a grounded process, leading to healthier outcomes for everyone involved. This conversation supports both sides of the experience: the people living through divorce and the practitioners walking beside them. You Will Learn: Why divorce triggers fear, confusion, and emotional flooding How stress impacts communication, decision-making, and co-parenting Signs that your overwhelm is actually a trauma response Practical grounding tools you can use today Scripts for setting emotional boundaries during conflict How to build a support system that keeps you steady Why the emotional health of your divorce professional affects your experience Insight into the Calma Collective Retreat supporting divorce professionals Download the Calming Exercise Guide from this Episode: Access the grounding tools discussed in this episode. These simple practices, including the three deep breaths and hands-on-heart reset, can help steady your mind and body during stressful moments. Keep it nearby for quick support whenever you need it.Download your guide here: https://divorcebeyond.com/staying-grounded About the Guests:  Dr. Beth Karassik is a clinical psychologist who, after many years as a Collaborative Divorce Coach and a Mediator, has partnered with Louise Zito, Esq. in Calma Collective, LLC, a company that provides transformational retreats and professional training.  Beth is a member of the International Academy of Collaborative Professionals, President of Divorce Solutions of Connecticut, and a member of the Collaborative Divorce Team of CT. She is a member of the Professional Development Committee and a Board and Executive Committee member of the Connecticut Council for Non-adversarial Divorce (CCND – www.gooddivorcect.com). She is committed to supporting children, adults, and families in having their lives align with their values, serve their best interests, and be expressions of what matters most to them.  Learn more about Dr. Karassik: https://www.drbethkarassik.com For more information on Calma Collective Retreats, visit: calma-collective-retreats.com   Louise Zito, Esq has mediated family and related matte

Susan Guthrie welcomes two extraordinary guests whose combined perspectives offer something rarely seen in the world of divorce. Bill Eddy, LCSW, Esq., returns to the show alongside author Matthew A. Tower, whose new book Love Wars: Clash of the Parents gives listeners an unprecedented inside look at what high-conflict divorce feels like through the eyes of a child. Together, their insights reveal the emotional reality children carry, the predictable patterns behind high-conflict behaviors, and the steps parents can take to protect their kids from the fallout. Love Wars follows Matthew’s journey from ages six to eleven as he navigated two volatile households, emotional unpredictability, parentification, negative advocates, and the relentless pressure to choose sides. His story is raw, illuminating, and at times difficult to hear, yet it is also deeply important. Bill helps contextualize Matthew’s lived experience through High Conflict Personality Theory and offers guidance parents and professionals can use immediately. This conversation is a powerful companion to Bill’s book Splitting and the perfect next step for anyone committed to changing the emotional climate for their children. Why This Conversation Matters High-conflict divorce leaves a lasting imprint on children, but the full internal experience is almost never visible to parents, courts, or professionals. Matthew’s story pulls back the curtain on what children absorb, what they fear, how they cope, and why the conflict shapes them long after the legal case is over. Bill explains how splitting, emotional volatility, and personality-driven dynamics create confusion, fear, and reactivity for children who do not yet have the capacity to regulate intense emotions. He also highlights why professionals often miss what is really happening, and how parents can change the trajectory by lowering conflict, creating predictability, and becoming the steady emotional anchor their children desperately need. Together, Bill and Matthew offer clarity, compassion, and a path forward for families caught in high-conflict cycles. In this episode, you will learn: What children internalize during high-conflict divorce and why they absorb the emotional intensity around them Why parentification is so damaging and how children become emotional caregivers when adults are dysregulated How high-conflict parents recruit negative advocates and why these dynamics intensify the conflict Why kids shut down, freeze, or dissociate when the emotional environment becomes overwhelming How calm, consistent adults like Matthew’s stepmother Holly can become a lifeline What courts and professionals often overlook when evaluating children’s preferences or resistance What parents can do right now to lower reactivity, reduce conflict, and create safety for their children About the Guests:  Bill Eddy, LCSW, Esq. - Bill Eddy is a lawyer, therapist, mediator, best-selling author, co-founder, and Chief Innovation Officer of the High Conflict Institute. He pioneered the High Conflict Personality Theory (HCP Theory) and has become an international expert on managing disputes involving high conflict personalities and personality disorders. He provides training to lawyers, judges, mediators, managers, human resource professionals, businesspersons, healthcare administrators, college administrators, homeowners’ association managers, ombudspersons, law enforcement, therapists and others. He has been a speaker and trainer in over 30 U.S. states and 10 countries. Visit the High Conflict Institute to find out more about Bill, the Institute's wealth of resources for managing high conflict relationships and more of Bill's books!   https://www.highconflictinstitute.com/ Listen to Bill's other episode, "Get Ready to BIFF Your High Conflict Co-Parent" on Divorce & Beyond here:  https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-q3hpd-f87a79 Get your copy of Splitting: How to Protect Yourself When Divorcing a Narcissist or Bord

This week on Divorce & Beyond, we are bringing back the number one episode of all time, my conversation with the incomparable Bill Eddy about his groundbreaking book Splitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. This encore episode is more timely than ever and is also the perfect lead-in to next week’s very special conversation with author Matthew A. Tower and Bill Eddy about Matthew’s new book Love Wars: Clash of the Parents. That episode takes you inside the emotional experience of a child living through a high-conflict divorce. Today’s replay sets the foundation for everything we will discuss next week. Why This Episode Matters There is a reason this conversation has remained the most downloaded episode in the history of Divorce and Beyond. Bill Eddy’s insights have helped countless listeners understand what is happening in their high conflict divorce, why the conflict feels impossible to manage, and how to protect themselves and their children from the fallout. If you are facing a high-conflict situation, or if your co-parent has patterns of narcissistic, borderline, or antisocial behavior, this episode will give you the clarity and direction you need. In this episode you will learn: • What borderline, narcissistic, and antisocial personality patterns look like during divorce, and why they escalate conflict • The biggest mistakes people make when trying to “diagnose” or explain their spouse’s behavior • How to communicate effectively using Bill’s BIFF method (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm) • Why judges often get high-conflict cases wrong, and what you can do to present your case clearly and effectively • How to document incidents safely and strategically • What to expect when divorcing a high-conflict person and how to pace yourself for the long haul • When mediation works, when it does not, and why preparation matters • How to stay calm and grounded when your spouse appears calm in court and you do not • The three biggest patterns you must highlight to the court so your case is understood • Why support systems, emotional boundaries, and strategic planning are essential for survival Bill’s wisdom is clear, practical, and actionable. Whether you are preparing for divorce, in the thick of litigation, or co-parenting with a high-conflict ex, this episode gives you tools that truly make a difference. About Bill Eddy Bill Eddy is a therapist, lawyer, mediator, and co-founder of the High Conflict Institute. He has authored more than 20 books, including Splitting, BIFF for Co-Parents, and Mediating High Conflict Disputes, and is recognized worldwide as the leading expert on high-conflict personalities and their impact on divorce and family court. He is also one of the most popular and trusted guests in the history of Divorce and Beyond. A Perfect Lead-in to Next Week Be sure to tune in next week when Bill joins me again along with author Matthew A. Tower for a powerful new episode unpacking Matthew’s true story of growing up in a high-conflict divorce in Love Wars: Clash of the Parents. It is an unforgettable look at how conflict affects children from the inside. Resources Mentioned • Splitting:Second Edition: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder by Bill Eddy and Randi Kreger: https://amzn.to/48eSPfu • High Conflict Institute: https://www.highconflictinstitute.com • BIFF for Co-Parent Communication by Bill Eddy: https://amzn.to/4iqZ18X • Mediating High Conflict Disputes  by Bill Eddy: https://amzn.to/4rlQgkD   Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbey

Susan Guthrie welcomes journalist and author Kelly James for a powerful, candid conversation about the financial realities and career reinvention that often accompany gray divorce. Kelly brings humor, vulnerability, and a generous heart as she reflects on starting over at 52, returning to the corporate world after decades as a freelancer, and navigating the emotional load of single parenting. Together, Susan and Kelly explore the truth behind the fears, the unfair expectations, the unexpected challenges, and the surprising strengths that emerge when life takes a turn you never planned for. What You’ll Discover in This Episode The financial reality of starting over in midlife is real and heavy, but not impossible Reinvention in your fifties isn’t about dramatic leaps, in fact, Kelly explains how losing a financial safety net pushed her back into corporate life after 20 years as a freelancer How the emotional load can be heavy, but but one courageous choice at a time can help you steer your own life EPISODE RESOURCES: Article: Gray Divorce Is Different: Financial Realities No One Tells You and the Episode FREE Downloadable Resource: The Midlife Divorce Financial Reset Checklist More About Our Special Guest: Kelly K. James "escaped from the law" more than 25 years ago to become a fulltime freelance journalist. The former attorney is the author of books including The Book That (Almost) Got Me Fired: How I (Barely) Survived a Year in Corporate America; Writer for Hire: 101 Secrets to Freelance Success, and Six-Figure Freelancing: The Writer's Guide to Making More Money, Second Edition. She's now a full-time legal content manager and part-time freelancer who works, writes, plays 8-ball, and attempts to golf from her home outside Chicago, which she shares with two teens, a rescue pup, and an extra-chunky spoiled cat. Kelly's Website and Book: The Book That (Almost) Got Me Fired: https://amzn.to/48kPmNA kellykjames.net Social Media:https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellykjames ******************************* Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online plat

Are you secretly wondering if you hired the wrong divorce lawyer, but feel too far in, too scared, or too overwhelmed to do anything about it? You are not the only one. Listeners write in every week saying things like, “I hired someone in a panic and now I feel stuck,” or “I feel dismissed, but I am afraid to change attorneys midstream.” In this solo episode, Susan uses more than thirty five years of experience as a leading divorce attorney and mediator to give you a clear framework for how to choose, evaluate, and, if necessary, replace your lawyer so you can move through your divorce with more confidence and less chaos. You will learn: Why so many people “panic hire” the wrong attorney in the early days of divorce How a good divorce coach can help you get grounded before you hire anyone The key questions to ask in an attorney consultation so you can spot a real fit Red flags that your current lawyer may not be serving your goals or values When the problem is the system, not your attorney How to have a reset conversation and, if needed, make a clean, professional change Susan has also created a free downloadable checklist with the questions and red flags she covers in the episode. DOWNLOAD HERE If you are confused about your attorney client relationship or worried you made the wrong choice, this episode will help you understand your options and take back your power in your own case. Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle. They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan. ***************************************************************************** Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters Partner with Divorce & Beyond Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers

We’re talking all about Hulu’s new hit All’s Fair and its glossy world of powerhouse, all-female divorce attorneys. The show is everywhere right now, but how much of it reflects what really happens in high-stakes family law? Susan Guthrie is joined by two of the most trusted experts in the field, Beth F. McCormack and Kimberly A. Cook, Esq., to break down what the series gets right, where it leans into pure Hollywood, and what it leaves out entirely about the real work of guiding families through divorce. If you’ve been wondering whether All’s Fair captures the truth or just the drama, this episode gives you the inside view. What You’ll Discover in This Episode Where All’s Fair nails the reality of female attorneys breaking away to build something better What the show gets wrong about divorce law and why those myths can mislead real clients How strategy and preparation matter far more than the aggressive “never settle” persona “Adding a zero” isn’t how settlements actually work Why representation in legal dramas matters and how this show misses key opportunities to get it right More About Our Special Guests:  Kimberly A. Cook, Esq. Kimberly A. Cook is a Partner with Schiller DuCanto & Fleck, LLP, one of the nation’s premier divorce and family law firms. Known for her ability to both fiercely advocate and thoughtfully problem-solve, Kimberly represents C-suite executives, professional athletes, entertainers, and other high-profile clients in complex family law matters. Before joining Schiller, Kimberly founded Dovetail Conflict Resolution, LLC, where she focused exclusively on divorce and family mediation, helping families identify creative solutions and reach lasting agreements. She also hosts the Grown Girl Divorce podcast, where she empowers listeners to navigate family transitions with clarity and confidence. Kimberly shares her knowledge as an adjunct law professor, mentor, and frequent speaker, and has been featured in Crain’s Chicago, Black Enterprise, Thrive Global, and Business Insider. She has been consistently recognized among the Best Lawyers in America and Super Lawyers for her excellence and leadership in the field. Contact Kimberly: growngirldivorce.com or https://sdflaw.com   Beth F. McCormack Beth F. McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth is equally at home in the courtroom, in mediation, and in collaborative law, always centering her practice on compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals and writes a monthly column for the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net-worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth: beermannlaw.com   ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared

Co-parenting with someone who parents in a totally different way can feel overwhelming, especially when you’re trying to protect your kids and you don’t have control over what happens in the other home. Susan Guthrie welcomes back Laila Aitken Ali, co-founder of Split FYI and creator of the Raising Resilient Kids Through Divorce Masterclass, to talk about what you can control and how to stay steady when things get tough. Laila explains why the goal isn’t trying to make your kids “happy” all the time but helping them build real resilience. And even if you are the only calm, grounded parent in the mix, that is more powerful than you think. As Laila puts it, your peace is your child’s safety plan. You’ll hear simple scripts, mindset shifts, and nervous-system-friendly ways to stay anchored so you can support your kids without getting pulled into chaos, stress, or power struggles. What You’ll Discover in This Episode You can’t control the other parent, but you can control the emotional world your kids experience in your home How practicing DEEP allows you to take a pause and avoid being pulled into chaos The best way to protect your kids is to protect your own nervous system Shadow work matters. Notice stories you tell yourself, question old beliefs, and lead from your empowered self More About Our Special Guest Laila Aitken Ali: Laila Aitken Ali, The Split Coach, is a Certified Divorce Coach®, Accredited Mediator, and Co-Founder of Split.fyi, a platform supporting people through divorce, co-parenting, and life transitions. After navigating her own divorce while pregnant, Laila committed to helping others move through separation with clarity, strategy, and confidence. She specializes in guiding parents to break old patterns and build healthier dynamics post-divorce. Laila also teaches co-parenting strategy at the Certified Divorce Coach (CDC) program, equipping new coaches with practical tools. Website and Links: SplitFYI.com Raising Resilient Kids Through Divorce Masterclass and other events:https://splitfyi.com/events/ - D&B Listeners, use code SPLIT10 for a special listener discount  TheSplitCoach.comWhy You Need to Stop Calling Your Ex a Narcissist with Laila Aitken, Founder of Split.fyi on Divorce & BeyondSocial Media:http://instagram.com/thesplitcoach http://instagram.com/splitfyi https://www.linkedin.com/in/lailaaitken/ ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with a

Susan Guthrie welcomes back Tracy Malone, a leading expert on narcissistic abuse and family estrangement, for a raw and eye-opening conversation about one of the most painful aftermaths of toxic relationships: being cut off from your own child (aka estrangement). When estrangement happens, it can feel like your world has been shattered overnight. Tracy, founder of NarcissistAbuseSupport.com and author of Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family, helps unpack how manipulation, gaslighting, and control tactics can fracture families and rewrite history in devastating ways.  Together, Susan and Tracy explore how these dynamics play out and, most importantly, what parents can take to begin healing. Tracy’s compassionate wisdom, drawn from both personal experience and years of coaching, offers validation, hope, and strategies to help listeners find peace and strength through the storm. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How estrangement differs from alienation and why it’s on the rise The narcissistic playbook and how lies and control can turn loved ones against you The importance of emotional regulation when you can’t control others’ choices How awareness shifts everything and helps you rebuild your boundaries Why it’s essential to release self-blame and focus on your own healing More About Our Special Guest, Tracy Malone:  Tracy A. Malone is a coach, author, and the founder of NarcissistAbuseSupport.com, a global resource helping victims in more than 145 countries reclaim their lives after emotional abuse. She’s also a surTHRIVER herself, and her wisdom comes not just from research and coaching, but from lived experience. Her latest book, Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family, exposes the gaslighting, smearing, and rewriting of history that can steal your adult child and devastate entire families. Website and Book: Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Familyhttps://a.co/d/fSmx1Hm https://narcissistabusesupport.com/Social Media:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFtt3fhMMCBKGRMGyN2D2GQhttps://www.instagram.com/tracyamalone/https://www.facebook.com/groups/188681268196044/ ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPECIAL OFFER FROM BLUE MERCURY! Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best,  inside and out. You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury ***************************************************************************

Susan Guthrie welcomes Patrick Kilbane, J.D., CDFA®, partner at Ullman Wealth Partners and Director of the Divorce Advisory Group, to talk about one of the most overlooked but critical phases of divorce: what happens to your finances after the papers are signed. Instead of stopping at the settlement, Patrick shows you how to step into your financial “2.0” with confidence. We talk about creating clarity around your monthly cashflow, setting up systems to cover everyday expenses, and simplifying your accounts so they’re easy to manage. Patrick also shares how to plan ahead during the divorce, not just after, so you negotiate with your future in mind. You’ll hear practical strategies for rebuilding credit, organizing your retirement and investment accounts, making smart housing decisions, and avoiding costly mistakes that can derail your long-term security.  Patrick’s decades of experience as both an attorney and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst make this a must-listen for anyone ready to move beyond survival mode and build a strong, strategic financial foundation for the next chapter of life. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How to recognize when it’s time to shift from divorce survival to planning your independent future Simple steps to clarify monthly cashflow and set up systems to cover bills and savings Why involving a financial advisor before settlement helps you plan smarter and avoid gaps How strategic planning beyond the settlement sets you up for lasting stability and confidence More About Our Special Guest, Patrick Kilbane, J.D., CDFA®:  Pat is a Partner at the firm and serves as both a Wealth Advisor and General Counsel. He brings over a decade of experience helping clients coordinate and implement comprehensive wealth management strategies. In his legal role, he manages all legal matters for the firm and assists clients with navigating their own legal questions by connecting them to trusted resources. Pat also leads our Divorce Advisory Group, where he supports high-net-worth clients before, during, and after the divorce process. Drawing on his extensive background in family law and his Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® (CDFA®) designation, Pat helps clients make informed, confident financial decisions at every stage of marital dissolution. Before joining our firm, Pat built a successful legal career in matrimonial and family law, serving as a Shareholder at two respected statewide firms—GrayRobinson, P.A. and Rogers Towers, P.A.—in Jacksonville. Pat is deeply involved in the Jacksonville community and has served on numerous civic and professional boards. He has received several gubernatorial appointments, including to the Jacksonville Aviation Authority—where he served as Chairman from 2017–2018 and again from 2020–2021—and to the 4th Judicial Circuit Judicial Nominating Commission, where he served as Chairman from 2017–2019. Most recently, he was appointed by Governor Ron DeSantis to the Jacksonville Port Authority in 2024 and to the Florida Elections Commission in 2025. His leadership extends to the Jacksonville Bar Association, where he served on the Board of Governors and as President of its Young Lawyers Section. He is a graduate of Leadership Florida (Class XXXV) and currently serves as President of the Jacksonville Lawyers Chapter of the Federalist Society. Pat previously served as President of the Board of Directors of the Notre Dame Alumni Club of Greater Jacksonville and as a member of the Foundation Board for St. Vincent’s Hospital. In 2017, he was appointed by Bishop Felipe Estévez to the Savings and Loan Board for the Diocese of St. Augustine. In 2020, he was elected to the Board of Trustees for Adrian College, which will honor him as its 2025 Distinguished Alumnus. Pat earned his J.D. from the University of Notre Dame and holds a B.B.A. from Adrian College, where he graduated summa cum laude. He is a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® and co-author of Move Forward Confidently:

Susan Guthrie welcomes back three powerhouse professionals to Divorce & Beyond for part two of a very special series that turns the billion-dollar divorce playbook into practical strategies you can use in your own divorce, no matter your net worth. Together, Michelle Smith, Beth McCormack, and Jenny Stevens make up what Susan calls the Billion Dollar Dream Team. Between them, they bring decades of experience guiding clients through some of the most complex, high-stakes divorces in the country. From untangling billion-dollar assets to protecting children’s well-being to helping clients stay grounded in the storm, this team delivers legal, financial, and emotional strategies that can benefit anyone facing divorce. In part one, we pulled back the curtain on what divorce looks like when billions of dollars are at stake: the unique challenges, the strategies, and the inside perspective that only comes from decades of experience handling ultra-high-net-worth cases. The lessons from those cases aren’t just for billionaires.  This week, in part two, we’re taking those big-dollar insights and showing you how they apply to your divorce,  no matter your net worth or no matter where you are in the process. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How to trust your gut when choosing the professionals on your dream team Why knowing the true cost of your life is essential for smart financial decisions The power of defining priorities and fears early to shape your legal strategy Why emotional healing often takes longer than the legal process and how to honor that timeline Meet the Billion Dollar Dream Team Michelle SmithMichelle Smith is one of the nation’s most sought-after divorce financial specialists, holding the Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® designation. She is the founder of Wife2CFO, a platform created to empower women to understand and manage their wealth with confidence. Michelle is also the co-author of Divorce & Your Finances and a regular contributor to national financial media. With more than three decades of experience advising ultra high net worth families, she brings unmatched expertise in investment strategy, wealth transfer, and philanthropic planning — and a unique ability to simplify even the most complex financial landscapes. Contact Michelle:  https://savantwealth.com Michelle's Divorce Journey Self-Discovery Questionnaire Beth F. McCormackBeth McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney, known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth is equally at home in the courtroom, in mediation, and in collaborative law, always centering her practice on compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals and writes a monthly column for the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth:  https://beermannlaw.com Jenny StevensJenny Stevens is a counselor, divorce coach, and adolescent coach who has built her career around helping people navigate life’s toughest transitions. With a master’s degree in professional counseling and extensive mediation training, Jenny brings both clinical expertise and a no-nonsense, approachable style to her coaching. She has lived through her own share of profound life changes — from loss to illness to divorce — and uses that experience to guide clients with empathy, honesty, and practical strategies. Jenny helps individuals and families regulate emotions, build resilience, and create the foundations for a life they love. Her work emphasizes emotional regulation, self-care, and values-based co-parenting, making her an invaluable support for

Susan Guthrie welcomes three powerhouse professionals to Divorce & Beyond for a very special two-part series that pulls back the curtain on ultra high net worth divorces and reveals strategies that can help anyone navigating divorce. Together, Michelle Smith, Beth McCormack, and Jenny Stevens make up what Susan calls the Billion Dollar Dream Team. Between them, they bring decades of experience guiding clients through some of the most complex, high-stakes divorces in the country. From untangling billion-dollar assets to protecting children’s well-being to helping clients stay grounded in the storm, this team delivers legal, financial, and emotional strategies that can benefit anyone facing divorce, no matter your net worth. This conversation highlights not only the extraordinary circumstances of billion-dollar cases but also the universal truths: divorce is emotionally scrambling, requires strong communication, and benefits enormously from a cohesive team approach. What You’ll Discover in This Episode The unique legal complexities of managing billion-dollar assets, foundations, and family offices. The importance of asking the right financial questions without escalating conflict How privacy, reputation management, and creative solutions play a critical role in high-stakes cases What’s Next This is just part one. Next week, Michelle, Beth, and Jenny return to translate the billion-dollar lessons into practical, actionable strategies for your own divorce journey, whether you’re just beginning, in the thick of it, or finding your new Beyond. Get Michelle's FREE divorce financial resource downloads mentioned in the episodes. Meet the Billion Dollar Dream Team Michelle SmithMichelle Smith is one of the nation’s most sought-after divorce financial specialists, holding the Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® designation. She is the founder of Wife2CFO, a platform created to empower women to understand and manage their wealth with confidence. Michelle is also the co-author of Divorce & Your Finances and a regular contributor to national financial media. With more than three decades of experience advising ultra high net worth families, she brings unmatched expertise in investment strategy, wealth transfer, and philanthropic planning — and a unique ability to simplify even the most complex financial landscapes. Contact Michelle:  https://savantwealth.com Beth F. McCormackBeth McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney, known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth’s practice includes guiding her clients whether they are litigating, mediating or collaborative law, all with compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth:  https://beermannlaw.com Jenny StevensJenny Stevens is a counselor, divorce coach, and adolescent coach who has built her career around helping people navigate life’s toughest transitions. With a master’s degree in professional counseling and extensive mediation training, Jenny brings both clinical expertise and a no-nonsense, approachable style to her coaching. She has lived through her own share of profound life changes — from loss to illness to divorce — and uses that experience to guide clients with empathy, honesty, and practical strategies. Jenny helps individuals and families regulate emotions, build resilience, and create the foundations for a life they love. Her work emphasizes emotional regulation, self-care, and values-based co-parenting, making her an invaluable support for anyone facing the upheaval of divorce. Contact Je

Susan Guthrie welcomes Valerie Jones, author of The Selfish Year, to share a radically different perspective on what it means to put yourself first after divorce. Valerie’s story of going from broke, divorced, stay-at-home mom to thriving six-figure entrepreneur began with one powerful decision: to be selfish. In this conversation, she redefines selfishness as being “full of self” and shows how embracing it can become the gateway to healing, clarity, and abundance. As this episode highlights, “selfish” is a word most women have been conditioned to fear. Yet, as Valerie explains, choosing yourself isn’t only allowed: it’s essential. Her journey and strategies offer inspiration and practical steps for anyone navigating divorce or life transitions. What You’ll Discover in This Episode Why selfish is not arrogance but becoming “full of self” instead of self-less How small, daily acts of selfishness create transformation The importance of saying no, setting boundaries, and breaking free from people-pleasing patterns Valerie’s “selfish strategies” that help you reconnect with your intuition, reclaim your power, and act as if you love yourself More About Our Special Guest, Valerie Jones:   Valerie Jones is the author of The Selfish Year (remeased September 3, 2025), host of The Selfish Woman podcast, and founder of The Selfish Woman movement, a global collective of women rising into their power and claiming the life they deserve. A thought leader in midlife reinvention and the sacred rebellion of women daring to put themselves first, Valerie is redefining what it means to be selfish. Her work helps women ditch the good girl conditioning, stop performing for approval, and step unapologetically into desire, self-trust, and overflow. Through her bold storytelling, viral social media presence, and fast-growing global community, she is leading a new era for women who are ready to stop surviving and start shining — without apology. Website and Book: http://valeriejones.ca The Selfish Year: https://a.co/d/i8ANT8W Social Media:  http://instagram.com/thevaleriejones https://www.tiktok.com/@valeriejones11 Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — he

Susan Guthrie welcomes Jessica Frew back to Divorce and Beyond for a powerful conversation about releasing the “shoulds” that may box you in after divorce and reclaiming your decision-making power. Jessica is a wife, ex-wife, mom, stepmom, founder of The Bold Logic, and author of the upcoming book Shove the Shoulds: Become a Decision-Making Badass to Live the Bold Life You Deserve. If you’ve ever felt weighed down by guilt, judgment, or that pesky inner voice telling you what you “should” be doing, this episode will help you break free. Plus, one lucky listener will win a free copy of Jessica’s new book, listen through to the end for details! Stop living a life of “shoulds” and start today. Jessica shows you how to shove them right out the door and step confidently into your next chapter after divorce.  What You’ll Discover in This Episode: How “shoulds” are often just judgment in disguise and why recognizing them is the first step to freedom The role conditioning and past relationships play in breaking down self-trust Why true post-divorce freedom comes from reclaiming your decision-making power Jessica’s Be, Be, Be formula: Be Gentle, Be Humble, Be Bold, and how it can transform your life Practical ways to start rebuilding trust in yourself, one small decision at a time More About Our Special Guest, Jessica Frew:  Jessica Frew is a wife, ex-wife, mom, stepmom, and BOLD action taker. She’s the founder of The BOLD Logic, a company devoted to helping women understand their decision making patterns to take back their voice. Jessica teaches women how to trust themselves by owning their decision-making power so they can live boldly, love honestly, and stop abandoning themselves to keep the peace. Websites: Enter to win a FREE copy of Jessica’s brand new book “Shove Your Shoulds: Become a Decision-Making Badass to Live the BOLD Life You Deserve”, just for listeners of the Divorce & Beyond Podcast with Susan Guthrie. https://shoveyourshoulds.com/enter Jessica’s new book, "Shove Your Shoulds":https://shoveyourshoulds.com Social Media:  http://instagram.com/heyjessicafrew http://www.facebook.com/heyjessicafrew Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while —

This week on Divorce & Beyond, we're doing something a little different, and something truly special. We’re honored to share the premiere episode of Season 4 of the Intentional Divorce Insights podcast, hosted by Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Accredited Financial Counselor, Leah Hadley. If you caught Monday’s episode with Leah on Divorce & Beyond®, you already know what a valuable and grounded voice she brings to the complex financial realities of divorce today. In this solo episode, Leah takes us deeper, sharing the personal story and values that inspire her work and fuel her mission to support those navigating divorce with clarity, confidence, and compassion. You’ll hear: How Leah’s mother shaped her approach to money, reinvention, and resilience The five pillars of Leah’s Intentional Money Method A powerful reminder that it’s never too late to grow, shift paths, or start fresh The importance of building financial freedom intentionally, especially in times of transition Whether you’re facing divorce, considering a new direction in life, or simply looking to feel more empowered around your finances, this episode offers wisdom, warmth, and a clear next step.  Be sure to listen to our Monday conversation with Leah if you haven’t already, where we dig into what recent economic shifts mean for your divorce strategy in 2025 and beyond.  Here’s the link: https://divorcebeyond.com/Leah-Hadley   And if you’re over 50 and contemplating divorce, don’t miss Leah’s free upcoming webinar: Divorce After 50: Protecting Your Retirement and Securing Your Future. Details and Registration link here: https://www.greatlakesdfs.com/divorce-after-50   More About Leah Hadley: Leah is the founder of Intentional Divorce Solutions and Intentional Wealth Partners. She’s a nationally recognized financial expert, author, speaker, and host of Intentional Divorce Insights. With a background in both education and finance, Leah is passionate about helping people make thoughtful, values-aligned financial decisions, especially during life’s most challenging transitions. 🔗 Learn more and connect with Leah at https://www.greatlakesdfs.com 🎧 Subscribe to Intentional Divorce Insights wherever you get your podcasts or click here: https://www.greatlakesdfs.com/podcasts/intentional-divorce-insights

Susan Guthrie welcomes accredited financial counselor and CDFA® Leah Hadley to explore the changing financial landscape of divorce in today’s unpredictable economy. From rising healthcare costs to a volatile housing market and shifting tax laws, the economic realities of 2025 are reshaping how couples need to approach divorce settlements. Leah shares how thoughtful financial planning, strategic modeling, and expert guidance can help protect your long-term stability, especially if you're divorcing later in life. If you’re navigating divorce in this climate, this episode offers timely, essential insights to help you negotiate smarter and move forward with confidence. You'll hear: The truth about healthcare costs and how subsidy cuts may affect you How to plan for (and afford) health insurance post-divorce How housing market trends are shifting common divorce strategies Tips for reducing stress and avoiding costly financial mistakes The top mistake people divorcing after 50 make and how to avoid it More About Our Special Guest, Leah Hadley, AFC®, CDFA®, MAFF® As the Founder of Intentional Divorce Solutions (formerly known as Great Lakes Divorce Financial Solutions) and Intentional Wealth Partners. Leah Hadley is committed to guiding clients to financial independence through thoughtful and strategic planning. An influential voice in the financial community, Leah is a sought-after speaker and expert in overcoming financial setbacks and navigating the financial complexities of divorce. She's a frequent guest on podcasts and has contributed her insights to numerous books and online platforms. Leah is also the author of "When It's Just Not Working: A Practical Divorce Guide for Stay-At-Home Moms." At the heart of her practice, Leah finds genuine satisfaction in empowering her clients to achieve their most heartfelt financial goals.  In her leisure time, she enjoys reading, hiking, and spending quality time with her husband, three children, and three dogs.   Websites: Intentional Divorce Insights Podcasthttps://www.greatlakesdfs.com/podcasts/intentional-divorce-insights FREE WEBINAR: If you’re over 50 and contemplating divorce, don’t miss Leah’s free upcoming webinar: Divorce After 50: Protecting Your Retirement and Securing Your Future. https://www.greatlakesdfs.com/divorce-after-50   https://www.greatlakesdfs.com https://www.watchherthrive.co Social Media:  http://instagram.com/watchherthrive https://www.linkedin.com/in/leahhadley Also referenced in this episode:Divorcing in 2025: The High Cost of Uncertainty on Divorce Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 35 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, becau

Have you found yourself wondering, “What do I do first when I find out I’m getting divorced?" In this solo episode, top family law expert and mediator Susan Guthrie introduces the concept of Divorce Triage: a clear, strategic approach to navigating those overwhelming first days of divorce. Whether you’re the one who’s decided to file or you’ve just been hit with the news, knowing who to call first (and why) can make all the difference. Divorce isn't one-size-fits-all. And the first steps you take can shape your entire journey. This episode helps you figure out where to begin based on your unique circumstances so you can avoid costly missteps. With more than 30 years of experience as a family law attorney and mediator, Susan walks you through how to stabilize your emotional, financial, and legal footing so you can move forward with strength and strategy, not panic. What You’ll Discover In This Episode: Why your “first call” might not be an attorney and how to know who to call first How to navigate emotional trauma after infidelity, financial betrayal, or a surprise divorce request The key players on your divorce team, attorney, mediator, coach, therapist, CDFA, and when to bring them in Why too many outside opinions can cause confusion, not clarity Susan’s #1 piece of advice if you’re unsure where to start Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HEADSPACE Hello, Divorce & Beyond family! We've teamed up with Headspace to guide you towards better mental health. With Headspace's meditation, mindfulness tools, and mental health support, you're set for a happier, healthier you. Sign up through our exclusive link for free two weeks of Headspace membership. Don't miss out on this opportunity to embrace well-being. *****************YUMIYU JewelryYUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  divorceandbeyondpod@gmail.com for pricing and details!!

When divorce and entrepreneurship collide, things get complicated - fast. The emotional, financial, and legal entanglements are real, and one wrong move could cost you big. To help us navigate these divorce danger zones, Susan Guthrie welcomes Gabriella Martinelli to the show. Gabriella is a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® and the founder of Ever After Wealth®, bringing over two decades of experience, including 16 years working closely with top family law attorneys. She’s worked with countless business owners to protect their financial futures through even the most complex divorces. She’s also the host of the new podcast Divorce and Money, where she shares no-nonsense financial strategies to help you feel informed and empowered around the money side of divorce. And yes, she brings that same clarity to this conversation. Whether you’re the business owner or divorcing one, Gabriella unpacks exactly what can go wrong when business finances are intertwined with personal ones, why it matters, and what you can do before things spiral. From messy bookkeeping to emotional attachment and sudden income deficit disorder, this episode gets into the real-world complications and how to avoid them. What You’ll Discover in This Episode: Why divorcing with a business is a “whole new level of hell” How emotional attachment to a business can cloud financial decisions Why running personal expenses through your business is a divorce disaster What to do now if you think divorce may be on the horizon How to avoid costly mistakes, distrust, and tax trouble down the line The power of financial clarity and when to bring in a CDFA® to support your team More About Our Special Guest, Gabriella Martinelli: Gabriella Martinelli is a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® (CDFA®) and founder of Ever After Wealth®. With 21 years of experience in divorce finance, including 16 working alongside top attorneys, Gabriella helps individuals and professionals navigate the financial complexities of divorce with clarity and confidence. She makes complex financial topics easy to understand, offering real-world strategies that empower listeners to take control of their financial future. If you want more of Gabriella’s straight-shooting advice, be sure to check out her new podcast, Divorce and Money, available now on all major platforms. Website: https://www.everafterwealth.com Contact:gabriella(at)everafterwealth.com Social Media:  https://www.linkedin.com/company/everafterwealth https://www.instagram.com/everafterwealth/ https://www.facebook.com/EverAfterWealth/ Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your mom

Susan Guthrie is back with a solo episode to unpack how today’s economic instability is reshaping every stage of divorce. We are living in uncertain times: rising inflation, interest rates that won’t budge, increased job losses and layoffs, and even potential cuts to government programs like Medicare and Medicaid. All of this uncertainty affects how divorce unfolds, from spousal support to housing and healthcare. In this episode, Susan walks you through the key financial and legal challenges divorcing couples are facing right now and explains how to protect yourself and your family as you navigate your divorce.  Whether you're in the early stages or mid-process, this is a must-listen conversation to help you think ahead, protect yourself, and prepare. What You’ll Discover in This Episode: How to stay financially agile when the economy throws curveballs like layoffs, pay cuts, and high inflation Smart ways to adapt when real estate is frozen and interest rates make buying or selling a home difficult Why it’s worth revisiting your parenting plan to include contingencies for job changes, relocations, and shifting schedules What you need to know about potential Medicare and Medicaid cuts, and how to start exploring alternative healthcare options How to future-proof your divorce strategy by auditing your financial benefits and modeling different outcomes with a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst ✨ Download Susan’s Divorce Financial Prep Checklist  Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. *****************YUMIYU JewelryYUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or pro

Dr. Justine Weber joins Susan Guthrie to share what it really looks like to navigate a relationship with someone who exhibits narcissistic or high-conflict behavior - from the moment someone starts questioning things to the long road of healing on the other side. Together, Susan and Justine walk through the five stages of divorcing a narcissist, from the first signs of doubt to post-divorce healing. Whether a listener is thinking about leaving, stuck in the thick of it, or still reeling years after the divorce, Justine offers insights for every stage. As both a therapist and coach, she’s helped countless individuals move from confusion and survival mode to clarity and stability. Susan and Justine explore what it means to leave strategically, how to stay safe and grounded, and why documenting behavior, no matter how small, can be one of the most important steps a person can take. Justine also shares guidance on supporting children through the chaos and what it takes to rebuild life after abuse. This episode is a reminder that no one has to do it alone, and they shouldn’t. Justine’s tips, contact information, and downloadable resource are all linked in the show notes. What You’ll Discover in This Episode: Document everything - privately and securely - to stay grounded and protect yourself. Don’t leave impulsively. Build a plan, gather support, and consult professionals first. Ask attorneys about handling manipulation, not labels like “narcissist.” Be the calm, safe parent your kids can count on—listen, don’t gaslight. Healing is possible, but you can’t do it alone. Support and strategy make all the difference. More About Our Special Guest, Justine Weber:  Justine Weber is a licensed clinical psychologist, author, and coach. Justine is dedicated to helping individuals heal, grow and find meaning in life. Justine has a unique specialty in helping people heal and thrive from narcissistic relationships and break free from life’s dysfunctional barriers. With years of experience in providing therapy, Justine is known for her authentic and empathic approach, fostering growth. Beyond relationship healing, Justine specializes in helping those who feel stuck in life, unable to move forward. She empowers individuals to harness the energy of fear as a catalyst for transformation—shifting from a place of stagnation to a life of growth and fulfillment. Through targeted strategies, she helps reframe limiting beliefs into motivating perspectives, allowing individuals to recognize their potential and embrace meaningful change. Her commitment to creating a supportive and transformative space enables clients to break free from dysfunctional patterns, develop self-awareness, and step into a thriving, purpose-driven life. If you are ready to move beyond fear, overcome limiting beliefs, and cultivate a life of meaning and success, Justine is here to guide you every step of the way. Grab the Five Stages of Healing - Free Download from Dr. Justine Weber Websites: http://sereneshift.com and drjustineweber.com Book: How the F*ck Do I Heal from This?: Understanding Narcissistic Abuse and how to Put Your Life Back Together  Social Media:  https://www.instagram.com/drjustineweber/ https://www.tiktok.com/@drjustineweber http://facebook.com/drjustineweberhealing ***************************************************************************** Also Mentioned in This Episode:The Incredible Tale of One Mom’s Successful 10-Year Battle to Be Free of a Narcissist with Tina Swithin  Domestic Abuse Part Two: Turning the Focus to Post-Separation Abuse with Dr. Christine Cocchiola Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbey