In this episode of The Factory Floor, Nick Loudon is joined by Zach Stevens and Corey Haines to break down why competitor comparison and alternative pages are more important than ever, how AI tools like ChatGPT are changing buyer behavior, and how to use these pages to drive real revenue (without bashing your competitors).
They cover what most SaaS teams get wrong, how to structure comparison pages the right way, and why these pages often have the highest intent and highest conversion rates on a website.
If you sell software and care about positioning, conversions, and controlling your narrative, this episode is a must-watch.
What you’ll learn:
-Why comparison pages sit at the highest-intent point in the buyer journey
-How AI tools influence product comparisons (and what happens if you stay silent)
-The difference between “vs” pages, alternative pages, and when to use each
-How many competitor pages you should actually build
-How to compare honestly without losing trust or credibility
-Why strong positioning makes comparison pages easy to write
-Design and messaging mistakes that kill conversions
This conversation is especially relevant for SaaS founders, marketers, and product teams navigating competitive markets and AI-driven discovery.
Hosts:
Nick Loudon, Zach Stevens, Corey Haines
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
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Over the last 30 years, software pricing has evolved from on-prem licenses (Software 1.0) → cloud subscriptions (Software 2.0) → and now the era of AI-powered, compute-dependent pricing (Software 3.0). What does that mean for founders, product leaders, and anyone building SaaS today? A LOT.
In this episode, we cover:
-Why freemium is dying in the age of AI
-How compute-heavy AI workloads change your unit economics
-Why SaaS companies may need two pricing models (software access + AI usage)
-The messy world of credits, API calls, and tokens
-How PLG and SLG are merging into a hybrid growth model
-The real risks & opportunities in usage-based and outcome-based pricing
-Whether AI features make SaaS more or less profitable
-How “brand taste” in AI models (GPT vs Claude vs Grok) affects perception and pricing
-Why AI might force even enterprise SaaS to offer playgrounds, demos, and hands-on trials
-A spicy segment on token arbitrage 👀 (Nick’s Dumb Idea of the Week)
Corey breaks down the economics.
Zach unpacks how this impacts product + growth.
Nick asks the questions everyone’s thinking.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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In this episode, we put Corey to the test with a fatherhood quiz on all things babies and childbirth, from meconium to Braxton Hicks contractions and the ring of fire, to gauge just how ready he really is.
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The Breakroom is a show hosted by the three cofounders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth. Tune into the Factory Floor, our other show, to stay up to date with the changing landscape of the marketing world.
On the Break Room, we just like to chill out and tell stories. Whether you're on your way to work, just passing the time, or stuck somewhere with nothing but an internet connection, tune in. We're here for you, a couple of dudes hanging out.
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Maybe you just need an updated logo. Or maybe you need a whole new brand.
How do you spot the difference?
In this episode of The Factory Floor, hosts Nick Loudon, Corey Haines, and Zach Stevens break down rebranding strategies through a structured framework: revolutions, evolutions, and optimizations.
Drawing from Conversion Factory's 73-point brand audit (recently updated to 99 point), Zach explores key visual identity elements like logo functionality, color palettes, typography, icon libraries, brand patterns, and accent elements to assess when a full overhaul is needed versus targeted refinements.
Using real client examples, the discussion covers timelines (2-4 weeks for revolutions, 1-2 for evolutions, immediate for optimizations) and trade-offs, such as preserving brand equity versus accelerating execution.
They dive into strategic triggers for rebranding: positioning shifts, acquisitions and brand architecture, and enterprise requirements for consistent, scalable systems beyond "professional" aesthetics. Additional insights include global expansion challenges (Amazon's custom typeface) and signaling maturity for exits or funding rounds.
Whether you're evaluating brand guidelines, visual consistency, or post-acquisition integration, this rebranding overview equips you to align rebranding with business goals. Listen now for actionable criteria on revolutions versus evolutions, and share your brand audit takeaways in the comments. Subscribe for more on design strategy, creative direction, and marketing operations.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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In this episode of The Factory Floor, Nick, Corey, and Zach compare website building platforms for SaaS marketing sites, focusing on Webflow, Framer, and custom-coded solutions.
They highlight Webflow’s strengths in scalability, SEO, and ease of updates, making it ideal for marketing teams. Framer is praised for design flexibility but criticized for poor scalability and limited CMS.
Custom-coded sites offer full control but are costly and hard to maintain. WordPress and Wix are deemed unsuitable for SaaS needs. The hosts recommend Webflow as the most balanced, efficient choice for business websites.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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In this episode of Factory Floor, hosts Nick Loudon, Corey Haines, and Zach Stevens discuss the distinct marketing approaches employed by bootstrapped and venture capital (VC)-backed startups. The conversation explores how these two types of businesses, often operating in similar industries, adopt contrasting strategies based on their funding models. Corey, the resident marketing expert, sets the stage by highlighting the differences in marketing intensity and investment timing, noting that bootstrapped startups prioritize early marketing to drive revenue, while VC-backed companies often delay marketing efforts until achieving product-market fit.
The discussion delves into why early-stage bootstrapped startups and mid-to-late-stage VC-backed companies are more likely to seek marketing support, examining factors like financial runway, investor pressure, and the need for rapid growth. The hosts analyze the pitfalls of "maintenance marketing" for bootstrapped companies, the risks of over-relying on sales or freemium models for VC-backed startups, and the importance of diversifying marketing channels at the right time. They also touch on the trade-offs between bootstrapping and VC funding, including failure rates, revenue expectations, and the role of product type in determining the funding path.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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On this episode of the Factory Floor, we debunk "focusing on sales." We discuss why a focus on sales shouldn't halt marketing, and how the two fuel growth together, as two sides of the same coin.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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For this episode of the Factory Floor Podcast, we discussed what its like working with clients, and what sets the best SaaS founders we know apart. Topics include: the advantages of working async (less meetings, more shipping), what its like running a marketing agency, and how founders can 10x their ARR.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth.
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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Corey, Zach, and Nick discuss the pros and cons of multiple pricing models for creative agencies.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth.
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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More and more traffic is coming from LLMs. If you want to get a piece of the pie, you'll have to adapt.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth.
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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The creative director is the most underrated hire right now. Zach, Corey and Nick discuss.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth.
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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Vibe marketing in 2025. Are you utilizing the tools available?
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth.
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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Your product might be great. Your positioning might be sharp.
But if your branding sucks? You're losing trust—and revenue.
In this episode, we break down the symptoms of bad branding and how they show up in your design, your messaging, your customer acquisition, and even your own confidence as a founder.
You'll learn:
-Why trust is the real bridge between product and sales
-How bad aesthetics create doubt (and drive customers away)
-Why chasing design trends is a branding trap
-How to know if you're replaceable in your market
-What your brand story says about your vision—and your future
Featuring insights from April Dunford, Jason Cohen (WP Engine), and legendary adman Eugene Schwartz, this episode is a crash course in identifying and fixing brand trust issues before they kill your growth.
🎙️ Brought to you by Conversion Factory – product marketing for SaaS founders.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
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Phase 3 of SaaS Marketing is all about scaling your wins.
This is where you layer on optimization strategies like CRO testing, upsell flows, expansion revenue paths, referral systems, advanced nurture sequences, and more! It’s not just about getting customers—it’s about growing LTV, deepening loyalty, and multiplying your marketing ROI.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
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Phase 2 of SaaS Marketing is all about building your base. This includes Sales pages, conversion pages, comparison pages, sales collateral, onboarding flows, email marketing, and more!
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
Don't fall behind. Subscribe. Like. Drop a comment. Or not. The ball is in your court.
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Phase 1 of SaaS Marketing is all about Positioning, Branding, and the setting a strong foundation for your startup.
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The Factory Floor is hosted by the three co-founders of Conversion Factory, the marketing agency at the forefront of SaaS growth, marketing, and tech trends. Episodes are released on Twitter one day early, @coreyhainesco
Every other week Corey, Zach, and Nick break down what’s working right now in SaaS marketing, share real-world lessons from the field, and give you the strategies you need to outpace the competition.
Don't fall behind. Subscribe. Like. Drop a comment. Or not. The ball is in your court.
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Welcome to Episode 3 of The Factory Floor!
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AI is the hottest trend in tech, but let’s be real—most AI companies suck at marketing. From meaningless jargon and generic branding to overusing “AI” in every sentence, these startups are making the same mistakes that doomed blockchain and Web3.
In this episode, we break down the five biggest problems with AI marketing and what companies should be doing instead:
🚨 1. Vague, Meaningless Positioning – Why AI startups fail to communicate a clear use case.
🎨 2. The Same Boring Visuals – Why every AI brand looks like a clone of OpenAI.
📝 3. Overusing “AI” in Copy & Branding – Stop putting “AI” in your name—it won’t age well.
⚠️ 4. Have We Learned Nothing from Web3? – The dangers of overhyping a tech trend.
🔍 5. AI’s Biggest Marketing Problem: Skepticism – Why customers are getting smarter (and how to earn their trust).
Most AI companies aren’t actually AI companies—they’re just wrappers on top of OpenAI, Anthropic, or Meta’s models. And that’s fine! But if you want to stand out, you need better marketing.
🔹 How can AI startups fix their marketing? We share actionable insights on:
✅ Being transparent about what’s under the hood
✅ Showing real-world value beyond “AI-powered”
✅ Building trust in an industry full of hype
If you’re in SaaS, marketing, or just tired of seeing the same AI clichés everywhere, this episode is for you!
#saas #ai #aimarketing #openai #branding #productmarketing
Discover the Brutal Truth Behind B2B SaaS Marketing Challenges!
Are you struggling to optimize your marketing strategy in today’s competitive B2B SaaS landscape? In this video, we break down insights from Peep Laja’s LinkedIn post, where he surveyed 50 top B2B SaaS CMOs (from companies generating $50M to $1B+ in revenue). Their stark admission? "We're spending more to acquire worse customers."
In this discussion, you'll learn about the top 3 pressing issues that are shaking up the industry:
🚀 1. Increasing Customer Acquisition Costs
Skyrocketing CAC: With SEO in decline and paid channels turning into money pits, acquisition costs are spiraling.
Real-World Challenges: Hear CMOs share how rising costs in PPC, events, and even enterprise new logo acquisition are stretching budgets to the limit.
🚀 2. Pipeline Development Challenges
Faltering Playbooks: Traditional pipeline strategies are no longer delivering, even when budgets are tight.
Lead Generation Woes: Discover why generating solid, qualified business leads has become increasingly difficult in an evolving digital landscape.
🚀 3. The Need for Brand and Marketing Differentiation
Cutting Through the Clutter: With intense market competition, establishing a unique brand identity is more critical than ever.
Strategic Differentiation: Learn how top CMOs are focusing on brand awareness and differentiation to overcome lower-cost alternatives and market noise.
If you're a B2B SaaS marketer or CMO looking to refine your strategy, control acquisition costs, and build a robust pipeline, this video is a must-watch!
Unlock the Secret to a High-Converting Website for SaaS Founders & Product Marketers!
In this episode, we dive deep into the Copy-First vs. Design-First debate and reveal why starting with compelling copy is the ultimate strategy for building a website that truly converts. Learn how to:
Clarify Your Website’s Purpose:
Understand how to communicate your audience’s problem, present your solution, outline actionable steps, and showcase proof of credibility—all through strategic copywriting.
Avoid the Pitfalls of a Design-First Approach:
Discover why leading with aesthetics can lead to vague messaging, endless revisions, and a mismatch between design and function. Using analogies like building a house without blueprints or garnishing a plate without tasting the food, we illustrate why design should support, not drive, your message.
Leverage a Copy-First Strategy:
See how focusing on the copy first creates a logical flow that resonates with your audience. Based on StoryBrand principles and real-world marketing tactics, this approach ensures your website serves as your #1 marketing and sales asset—even if the final design isn’t conventionally “pretty.”
If you're a SaaS founder or product marketer eager to boost conversions and create a website that not only looks good but also sells, this video is for you!
#saas #productmarketing #websitestrategy #webflow #conversionoptimization #marketingtips