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The Gen Mess with Tess
Tess Brigham
42 episodes
1 week ago

Are generational divides in the workplace and in life driving you crazy?

The Gen Mess with Tess is here to help! Hosted by Tess Brigham—certified coach, licensed therapist, TEDx speaker, author, and mom to a Gen Zer—this podcast tackles the challenges and complexities of navigating life and work across multiple generations. From the unique struggles of Gen Z to the evolving perspectives of Millennials, Gen X, and Baby Boomers, Tess brings her expertise to the table, offering practical advice, expert insights, and real conversations to bridge the generational gap. Whether you're trying to communicate better with colleagues, understand your kids, or just get a clearer perspective on the "mess" of it all, The Gen Mess with Tess is your go-to resource for understanding how different generations think, work, and live.


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Are generational divides in the workplace and in life driving you crazy?

The Gen Mess with Tess is here to help! Hosted by Tess Brigham—certified coach, licensed therapist, TEDx speaker, author, and mom to a Gen Zer—this podcast tackles the challenges and complexities of navigating life and work across multiple generations. From the unique struggles of Gen Z to the evolving perspectives of Millennials, Gen X, and Baby Boomers, Tess brings her expertise to the table, offering practical advice, expert insights, and real conversations to bridge the generational gap. Whether you're trying to communicate better with colleagues, understand your kids, or just get a clearer perspective on the "mess" of it all, The Gen Mess with Tess is your go-to resource for understanding how different generations think, work, and live.


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The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 41: From PR Glam to Career Jam: Storytelling Your Way Out of the Void

What if finding your dream job actually takes a year—or even longer?


In this eye-opening episode of "Gen Mess with Tess," host Tess Brigham sits down with career strategist Liz Helton to pull back the curtain on the realities of job searching and career transformation in today's ever-evolving workforce. If you've ever wondered why sending off hundreds of applications can feel like shouting into a void, this episode will reveal why—and most importantly, what you can do about it.


Together, Tess Brigham and Liz Helton dig into:

  • The shocking length of the modern job search—and why it’s no longer a "three-month process"
  • How technology and AI have totally transformed the hiring landscape (for better and worse)
  • Actionable strategies for networking that actually work, whether you’re an introvert, a new grad, or making a mid-career pivot
  • The key differences in how Gen Z, Millennials, and Gen X approach work, fulfillment, and branding themselves
  • Why keeping your own “brag book” is essential for beating imposter syndrome and keeping your confidence alive amid career changes
  • How AI isn’t taking jobs, but people who know AI are—and how you can upskill right now


You’ll learn practical tips for standing out in a crowded applicant pool, making LinkedIn work for you, and reframing both rejection and uncertainty as essential steps toward meaningful work. Plus, Liz Helton shares her own journey from PR exec to career consultant, and why sometimes your superpower is that thing that feels as natural as breathing.


If you feel stuck, overwhelmed, or unsure about your next step—no matter your age—this heartfelt, actionable episode is for you.


Episode Overview with Timestamps:

  • [00:00:01] Introduction: Bridging generational gaps at work
  • [00:01:16] Meet Liz Helton: From PR to guiding career transformations
  • [00:06:44] The evolving job search: Why it takes so much longer now
  • [00:08:47] Why everyone feels like they’re “shouting into a void”
  • [00:13:13] How to beat interview anxiety and imposter syndrome
  • [00:17:44] Building resilience: The emotional side of job hunting
  • [00:19:38] Essential networking tips for introverts and extroverts alike
  • [00:27:40] AI in the job hunt: What you need to know now
  • [00:36:42] How Gen Z, Millennials, and Gen X view work differently
  • [00:43:01] Liz Helton’s #1 piece of advice for anyone feeling stuck
  • [00:46:49] Where to find Liz Helton and free career resources


Tune in to discover why you’re not alone in your career mess—and how you can thrive in it.


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1 week ago
48 minutes 39 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 40: Golden Handcuffs & Gut Checks: Escaping the Career Carousel

What if the brutal truth is that your corporate job is more likely to slowly kill you with stress than set you up for a dream retirement?


In this episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham sits down with powerhouse business mentor, international speaker, and award-winning author Katrena Friel for a candid and eye-opening conversation about breaking free from the golden handcuffs—and finding your true value.


Katrena Friel pulls back the curtain on her own journey, from teenage jobs and personal heartbreak to a devastating $30,000 scam—a turning point that sparked her to build her own thriving training and mentoring practice. Together, she and Tess Brigham dissect why so many Gen Xers are “quietly quitting” or burning out, how younger generations are refusing to repeat the cycle of debt and overwork, and why we need to rethink the way we approach careers, money, and even family living.


Key highlights include:

  • The shocking downside of “more with less” workplace culture—and Australia’s new laws holding employers accountable for worker burnout and stress
  • Katrena Friel’s $30,000 lesson in self-belief (and how that “scam” became the best investment of her life)
  • The three inner compasses—mind, heart, and gut—and how to use them to turn self-doubt into an ally
  • Why so many “expert” coaches out there deliver nothing but an expensive lesson (and how to spot the real deal)
  • Generational shifts: Why Gen Z is saying "no" to the boomer/American dream—and the case for embracing multi-generational homes and decluttering your life to gain headspace
  • Building your own brand: What it means to be the product, and how Katrena Friel helps you discover the million-dollar model inside your life experience
  • The truth about online programs: Why up to 95% are never completed—and why transformation requires actual mentorship, not just another “passive income” promise


Loaded with tangible advice, real talk, and a bit of industry myth-busting, this episode will make you rethink everything you thought you knew about career success, purpose, and what it takes to build a legacy—on your terms.


Episode Overview by Timestamp:

  • [00:00:01] – Welcome and intro to Katrena Friel’s journey
  • [00:02:11] – Early jobs and learning to be a self-starter
  • [00:05:02] – Miscarriage, grief, and the life-changing $30,000 scam
  • [00:08:17] – The unregulated coaching industry and lessons from mistakes
  • [00:11:14] – The three inner compasses: Mind, gut, and heart
  • [00:16:39] – Why it’s so hard to leave corporate: Golden handcuffs and generational differences
  • [00:24:20] – Declutter your life: Practical steps for big change
  • [00:27:28] – Rethinking the family home and intergenerational wealth
  • [00:31:09] – The career marathon mindset and building your own expertise
  • [00:34:09] – “Done for you” programs vs. the myth of the passive online business
  • [00:42:59] – How to connect with Katrena Friel and next steps for listeners


Tune in for an episode packed with hard truths, practical strategies, and inspiration to reinvent work and life—no matter your generation!


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2 weeks ago
46 minutes 42 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 39: Law & Order: Time Management Unit

What if the secret to building a thriving law firm wasn’t about grinding out endless billable hours—but about rethinking the entire way attorneys work and lead?


In this eye-opening episode of Gen Mess With Tess, host Tess Brigham welcomes law firm growth expert Alay Yajnik for a candid conversation that shakes up everything you thought you knew about legal hustle and business success.

Discover how Alay Yajnik pivoted from running multimillion-dollar Silicon Valley companies to coaching attorneys—and why most lawyers stumble when it comes to building a lasting, profitable business. You’ll learn why working harder doesn’t always mean earning more, and how breaking out of traditional law firm mindsets—from hourly billing to team management and rate setting—is the real game-changer.


Key episode highlights:

  • Why technical skills don’t equal business success (and how “The E Myth Revisited” nails the problem for lawyers, therapists, and service pros)
  • The biggest pain points holding law firm owners back—hint: it’s not just the “hours in a day”
  • How shifting your mindset can help you work smarter, not harder—and finally create the time and income you want
  • Navigating generational tensions in the workplace: What attorneys get wrong about Gen Z, and why the newest workforce expects more work-life balance and financial stability than ever
  • Real talk about raising rates, burnout, hiring, and having those difficult employee conversations (plus how to screen for clients who are truly ready for change)

Whether you lead a law firm, run a small business, or just want to understand how generational perspectives are upending the way we work, this episode is loaded with actionable insights and relatable stories.

Episode Overview:

  • [00:00:31] Tess Brigham: Welcomes Alay Yajnik; his background in law firm growth
  • [00:01:23] Alay Yajnik: Story of switching from Silicon Valley to coaching attorneys
  • [00:03:08] Discussion: Why attorneys make great clients and what they uniquely struggle with
  • [00:05:15] Skills gap between technical expertise and business acumen; "The E Myth Revisited"
  • [00:07:16] The real issue: Time, burnout, and working smarter
  • [00:09:32] Traditional law firms vs. startup mindset; resistance to change
  • [00:12:11] Symptom vs. cure: Time management as a lever for transforming business results
  • [00:13:19] Raising rates, money fears, and business growth challenges
  • [00:17:27] Navigating client readiness and coaching intake
  • [00:18:07] Generational tensions: Gen Z’s approach to work, bonuses, and raises
  • [00:22:05] How the cost of living, technology, and burnout are shaping new workplace expectations
  • [00:27:04] A deeper look at employee expectations, creativity, and the evolving legal workplace
  • [00:36:33] Final reflections: Lessons from coaching lawyers, generational stereotypes, and business owner frustrations
  • [00:41:06] How to connect with
  • Alay Yajnik and his resources for law firm owners
  • [00:43:17]
  • Intro Announcer: Show outro and next episode preview


Tune in for an episode that’s more than just law—it’s about building the future of work, one honest conversation at a time.


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3 weeks ago
43 minutes 45 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 38: How To Handle Difficult People at Work

What if the only way you could escape your toxic work environment was being hit by a bus—not to die, but just to get a break?


Shocking as it sounds, that’s the level of desperation bestselling author and executive coach Diana Lowe once felt, and she’s not alone. In this riveting episode of "Jen Mess with Tess," Tess Brigham pulls back the curtain on the hidden emotional toll of modern workplaces and the true meaning behind being “hard to handle.”


Join Tess Brigham as she sits down with Diana Lowe—author of "Hard to Handle"—for a raw, honest conversation about surviving abusive bosses, how ‘difficult’ is just a matter of perspective, and why clinical depression became a turning point for radical career reinvention. Together, they untangle how we can learn to live in the mess of work (and life) and find purpose where others might only see crisis.


Key highlights include:

  • Diana Lowe
  • ’s journey from enduring toxic workplaces in finance, to becoming a champion of emotional intelligence and intentional leadership—even when her own breaking point was a diagnosis of clinical depression.
  • Surprising ways we internalize abusive work environments and why so many suffer in silence, secretly hoping for an unexpected event to rescue them.
  • The real story behind "Hard to Handle": Why every villain has another side, the value of seeing the strengths in ‘difficult’ coworkers, and why we’re all someone’s ‘Chuck’ at work.
  • Generational shifts in the workplace, from tattoos and dress codes (bras at board meetings?) to new norms around mental health—and how leaders can adapt.
  • The truth about DEI (Diversity, Equity & Inclusion) in organizations: why emotional intelligence—self and other-awareness—is the missing foundation, and how unconscious biases persist, even with the best intentions.


If you’ve ever felt misunderstood at work, frustrated with your boss, or questioned your place in the corporate ladder—this episode will not only validate your experience but give you practical wisdom on how to lead (and live) with more awareness and empathy.


Episode Overview

  • 00:00:00 – Tess Brigham introduces Diana Lowe and her unconventional career path
  • 00:01:04 – Diana Lowe on surviving bad bosses and finding mission in adversity
  • 00:03:05 – Recognizing abuse and the moment depression forced a life change
  • 00:06:31 – The origins and real meaning behind “Hard to Handle”
  • 00:08:25 – Why ‘difficult’ is always in the eye of the beholder
  • 00:12:01 – The case study format of the book and lessons from corporate life
  • 00:22:18 – Growth, vulnerability, and choosing whether to stay or go in tough situations
  • 00:25:14 – Generational differences: mental health, tattoos, and the bra at work debate
  • 00:34:45 – Feedback, personal growth, and the art of building people up
  • 00:37:39 – DEI, emotional intelligence, and the nuances of real inclusion
  • 00:51:07 – How to connect with Diana Lowe and explore her upcoming projects
  • 00:53:04 – Closing thoughts: learning to live in the mess


Don’t miss this episode’s honest, no-fluff take on surviving—and thriving—in the workplace chaos.


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4 weeks ago
54 minutes 43 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 37: “Emotional Availability”: Now Trending at Work and Home

What if everything we thought was “wrong” with Gen Z was actually the outcome of generations striving to do better for their children?


In this solo episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham turns the tables on common complaints about today’s youth and boldly reveals how every “mess” in the workplace and at home is really generational evolution in real time—and a sign of remarkable progress.


Drawing deeply from her own life as a Gen Xer, therapist, and parent to a Gen Z son, Tess Brigham unpacks the hidden links between generational values, shifting parenting philosophies, and the transformation of work and life. She discusses the evolution from silent survivalists, boomers’ pursuit of success, to Gen X’s badge of independence—and how each generation has tried to heal the wounds of the last, often by swinging the pendulum in new directions.


Key highlights from this episode:

  • Why labeling Gen Z as "entitled" or "too sensitive" misses the bigger story of progress
  • Tess Brigham’s personal journey parenting a son with mental health challenges—and how it shaped her view of parenting and resilience
  • How workplace frustrations with Gen Z are linked to conscious choices Gen X and Millennial parents made to create emotionally safer homes
  • The groundbreaking shift: Gen Z prizes wellness, therapy, and boundaries not as luxuries, but as new standards
  • A timely message for every parent and leader: Why the generational mess we’re in is not a mistake, but humanity learning to live, not just survive


By the end of the episode, you’ll see generational “mess” through a new lens—one of ongoing evolution, empathy, and hope.


Timestamped Episode Overview:

  • 00:00:01 – Tess Brigham sets the stage: generational challenges and introducing
  • 00:00:32 –Tess Brigham: Opening thoughts on Gen Z, the new world of work, and the evolution of values
  • 00:02:22 – The progression from the Silent Generation to Gen X: how each raised their children to break new ground
  • 00:05:21 –Tess Brigham
  • reflects on Gen X parenting—its aspirations and overcorrections
  • 00:07:00 – Ad break:Tess Brigham
  • discusses her work with organizations to “clean up the gen mess”
  • 00:07:54 – Personal story: Raising her son Max, the challenges of mental health, and questioning modern parenting
  • 00:12:06 – The new parenting paradigm: Responding to the child you have, not the one you imagined
  • 00:12:44 – The impact on the workplace: Today’s Gen Zers as products of generational evolution
  • 00:13:24 – Generational values: How priorities have shifted over time
  • 00:14:19 –Tess Brigham shares about her father’s late-in-life emotional growth and seeing progress across the generations
  • 00:15:15 – Looking at Gen Z through a lens of celebration, not criticism
  • 00:16:19 –Tess Brigham
  • wraps up with a call to embrace the mess as part of evolution
  • 00:16:51 –O utro Voiceover: Closes with info about connecting with Tess and future resources


Ready to witness how generational messiness is actually a story of hope and healing? Press play.


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1 month ago
17 minutes 22 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 36: Millennial Managers, Gen Z Bosses, and the Art of Playing Nice at Work

What if you could overcome a lifelong fear—like a spider phobia—in under ten minutes?


In this episode of "Gen Mess with Tess," host Tess Brigham sits down with Viki Johnston, founder of Accelerate and master practitioner of NLP (neuro linguistic programming), for a fascinating deep-dive into the secrets of learning, growth mindset, and generational shifts in the workplace.


Viki reveals how she conquered her extreme fear of spiders on stage using powerful NLP techniques, sparking a new obsession with the method that now impacts her work coaching managers and teams for light bulb moments of transformation. Together, Tess Brigham and Viki Johnston break down why learning should be fun (not serious!), the dramatic differences NLP can make versus traditional therapy, and how “aha” moments propel people to lasting change.

The episode unpacks what separates good managers from great leaders—hint: it’s more than delegation—and explores the unique challenges (and superpowers) that new Gen Z and millennial managers are bringing to today's workplace. From using AI and ChatGPT for instant answers to balancing remote work and real-life teamwork,


Viki Johnston shares practical strategies for thriving across generations and cleaning up the “Gen Mess.”

Tune in for relatable stories, actionable insights, and a fresh perspective on why letting go of old habits (and sometimes, just saying "I don't know") can be a game-changer for growth—at any stage of your career.


Episode Highlights & Overview:

  • [00:00:01] Intro Announcer kicks off the generational challenge theme.
  • [00:00:31]Tess Brighamintroduces Viki Johnston and her journey from call centers to founding Accelerate.
  • [00:03:51]Viki Johnston shares her passion for creating “light bulb moments.”
  • [00:08:39]Tess Brigham dives into NLP and its powerful impact—like curing phobias and rewiring mindsets.
  • [00:15:30] How NLP differs from traditional therapy (and why sometimes it’s way faster).
  • [00:22:27] Generational dynamics in the workplace: Gen Z, millennials, and boomers.
  • [00:26:20] The role of AI, ChatGPT, and the shift toward knowledge-sharing.
  • [00:33:28] Good managers vs. great leaders—plus, the art of delegation and empowerment.
  • [00:42:00] Myths and misunderstandings about Gen Z, and the key to bridging the gap.
  • [00:44:04]Viki Johnston advocates for listening, guidance, and embracing “I don’t know.”
  • [00:47:06] Where to find Viki and how Accelerate can support new managers.
  • [00:48:38] How to connect with Tess and keep learning.


Whether you’re a new manager, parent, or lifelong learner, this episode will help you see challenges in a whole new way—and maybe even tackle that fear you thought would last forever.


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1 month ago
49 minutes 10 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 35: "Kids These Days": A Masterclass in Collective Complaining

What if every time you judged a younger generation for having it "easy," you were really just grieving your own unmet dreams?


In this revealing solo episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham turns the generational blame game upside down, making a powerful case that beneath every eye-roll and stereotype—Boomers are out of touch, Gen Z is fragile, Millennials are entitled—there’s a shared experience of grief. From nostalgic bitterness to deep-seated anxieties, Tess explores how each generation clings to the belief that their struggles had meaning, while often resenting the freedoms and boundaries claimed by those coming after.


Drawing on pop culture examples, workplace trends, and even the existential challenge of AI, Tess dissects why the world feels so tense, how each generation is coping with constant uncertainty, and what it truly means to evolve—not just as a society, but as individuals learning to let go. In a candid reflection on her own journey and those of her clients, Tess challenges listeners to see generational progress as an invitation to heal and redefine purpose, rather than a competition over who "had it worst."

Tune in for thoughtful insights, practical strategies, and an honest invitation to make peace with change—because maybe the real legacy isn’t just the pain we survived, but the wisdom we share.


Episode Overview & Timestamps:

  • 00:00:01 - 00:00:31 –Intro Announcer kicks off the show, teasing generational divides and introducing Tess.
  • 00:00:32 - 00:03:41 – Tess Brigham opens on the theme: every generation resents the next, touching on grief and why struggles “need to mean something.”
  • 00:03:41 - 00:06:09 – Generational stereotypes in headlines and pop culture, from Boomers to Gen Z, and the underlying grief of unmet expectations.
  • 00:06:09 - 00:09:31 – How generational pain shapes identity and workplace norms, especially around boundaries and mental health.
  • 00:09:31 - 00:11:19 – Why Gen Z’s approach isn’t laziness, but boundary literacy—and Tess explains her work helping organizations bridge generational gaps.
  • 00:11:20 - 00:14:37 – The paradox of technology, AI, and accelerating change; generational exhaustion and instability as the new normal.
  • 00:14:37 - 00:16:07 – Collective grief: safety lost, predictability gone, and the urge to “defend our pain.”
  • 00:16:07 - 00:19:39 – Tess reframes the purpose of pain: not to compete, but to transform and work together for positive change.
  • 00:19:40 - 00:21:01 – Practical advice on reconciling your own grief and embracing evolution in how you view work, mental health, and generational progress.
  • 00:21:05 - 00:21:26 –Outro Voiceover wraps up with a message to subscribe, follow Tess, and learn more.

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1 month ago
21 minutes 36 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 34: Less Rage, More Sage: Learning from Your Feels

What if the secret to surviving career chaos isn’t more hustle—but smarter engineering?


In this eye-opening episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham sits down with systems architect and organizational consultant Belle Walker, who reveals why most companies—and leaders—are fighting the wrong fires, and how “engineering thinking” can fundamentally change how we navigate the messiest parts of work and life.


Belle shares her unusual journey from a family of engineers to stage management and humanities, and ultimately, to designing scalable, human-centered organizational systems. She explains how her approach blends classic problem-solving with deep empathy—translating abstract chaos into actionable clarity. Belle and Tess dig into why the real friction in organizations isn’t just between people, but between the functions and systems behind them, and how leaders often overlook the root causes of workplace tension.


Key highlights include:

  • Why "cleaning up the mess" starts with understanding what problems you’re actually solving (and what resources and constraints you have).
  • The surprising pitfalls of cutting entry-level jobs for AI—and why new talent is essential for adaptability.
  • The energy “budget” concept: how organizations and individuals ignore energy management at their peril, especially in the return-to-office push.
  • How generational expectations shape workplace difficulties—especially for Millennials and Gen Z, and why asking for what you need isn’t entitlement.
  • The reality behind organizational change: why progress always takes longer than it looks in books, movies, or a single sentence.


Tune in to uncover actionable strategies for bridging generational gaps, managing energy, and architecting workplace solutions that really work—plus, hear Belle’s take on parenting, the myth of innate genius, and her foolproof method for separating noise from necessity.


Episode Overview:

00:00 – Podcast intro & meet Belle Walker: organizational chaos vs. blueprints

00:04 – Belle’s origin story: engineering family, humanities leanings, Google, and finding the love of “building systems”

00:10 – What is engineering thinking? Problem setup vs. pure math

00:15 – Real-life chaos: Maps, autonomous vehicles, and the importance of communication

00:20 – Managing today’s workplace noise & energy budgets—satellites, commutes, and training

00:28 – Generational perspectives: Gen Z, Millennials ask for what they want, impacts on work culture

00:34 – AI’s impact on organizational jobs—pitfalls and policy mistakes

00:40 – Why leaders miss functional friction (security vs. usability, quick fixes vs. lasting change)

00:44 – Change takes time—why it always feels faster in hindsight

00:46 – Elder Millennials, COVID parenting, work-life transformations

00:52 – How to actually “clean up” the generational mess: leverage strengths, address gaps, solve the right problems

00:56 – Belle’s plug for her Friction to Function newsletter

00:57 – Tess wraps up: the power of problem-solving, empathy, and learning to live in the “mess”


Ready to see your workplace (and maybe your whole life) through a new lens? Hit play and join Tess and Belle as they engineer the way out of the Gen Mess!


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1 month ago
57 minutes 22 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 33: Generation Exhausted: Why Gen Z Opted OuT

What if the real badge of honor isn’t how hard you work, but how well you rest?


In this eye-opening solo episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham pulls back the curtain on the cultural obsession with burnout—and exposes how every generation has unwittingly contributed to making exhaustion seem like a symbol of strength. Tess traces the roots of hustle culture from Gen X’s independent “latchkey kid” mentality, through Millennials’ overachievement during the Girl Boss era, and lands on Gen Z’s radical redefinition of ambition and mental health.

You’ll learn why each generation internalized burnout a little differently, why Millennials became the “burnout generation”, and how Gen Z’s refusal to conflate self-worth with overwork is shaking up workplaces everywhere. Plus, Tess opens up about her own journey to unlearn burnout and offers clarity on how we can collectively move toward a more sustainable, joyful way of living and working.


Key Highlights:

  • The evolution of the “hustle” era into today’s burnout epidemic—and how our culture glamorized suffering (00:01:09)
  • Gen X’s stoic independence, Millennials’ “girl boss” hustle, and Gen Z’s focus on boundaries and mental health (00:02:40 – 00:10:12)
  • How resentment between generations over work-life boundaries is really grief for missed opportunities (00:12:56)
  • The toxic cycle of burnout, reward, and repeat that keeps organizations stuck (00:16:20)
  • Practical steps for unlearning burnout and redefining success for yourself and your teams (00:18:55)

Ready to question everything you’ve believed about ambition, success, and rest? Tune in and discover why taking off the burnout badge might be the most rebellious—and freeing—move you’ll ever make.

Episode Overview with Timestamps:

00:00:01 – Podcast introduction and the generational divide

00:01:09 – How burnout became a badge of honor and generational differences

00:02:40 – Gen X’s origin story and attitude toward burnout

00:04:11 – Millennials, hustle culture, and the Girl Boss era

00:08:21 – Gen Z’s boundary-setting and work-life philosophy

00:11:10 – Tess’s approach to cleaning up “Gen mess” at organizations

00:12:56 – The grief and resentment beneath generational tension

00:14:19 – Gen Z’s impact on workplace culture

00:15:16 – Why exhaustion became a measure of excellence

00:16:20 – How workplaces promote burnout and reward dysfunction

00:18:55 – Steps to unlearning burnout and redefining success

00:20:58 – Closing thoughts and embracing grace over grit

00:22:19 – How to connect with Tess Brigham and continue the conversation



Subscribe to Gen Mess with Tess for more insights and strategies on bridging generational gaps and building workplaces where everyone thrives!


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2 months ago
22 minutes 50 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 32: Love is Blind and So Are We: Navigating Vulnerability in Modern Dating

What if your quest for love is actually a quest for safety?


In this eye-opening solo episode of "Gen Mess with Tess," host Tess Brigham dives deep into the messy reality behind the hit TV show Love is Blind—and reveals the uncomfortable truth: the show isn’t just a high-drama dating experiment, it's a mirror reflecting how we all perform, protect, and hide in our own relationships.

Tess explores why so many of us crave genuine connection but run from vulnerability, and how the performative world of swiping, texting, and social media shapes our fears of rejection and being truly seen. She breaks down unforgettable examples from Love is Blind—from avoiding tough conversations to sabotaging intimacy—and connects these moments to universal patterns we all share.


Key highlights include:

  • Why our brains treat emotional risks like physical danger, and how that keeps us from authentic love.
  • The real reason modern dating feels so numb and disconnected (hint: it’s not just the dating apps).
  • Insightful stories from Love is Blind Season 9, like Allie’s struggle with Anton’s drinking and Madison & Joe’s emotional dance, showcasing how vulnerability—and our defenses against it—play out in real time.
  • Practical advice on “micro-vulnerability” and how you can slowly build emotional self-trust in your own life.
  • A fresh perspective on why courage in love doesn’t look glamorous, but is absolutely essential.


If you’ve ever caught yourself performing instead of connecting, or wondered why intimacy can feel so terrifying, Tess’s honest reflections and actionable tips will help you see your own patterns, and maybe, just maybe, get braver.


Timestamped Overview:

  • [00:00:00] Welcome & introduction: Unpacking the theme “Love is Blind... and so are we”
  • [00:01:02] The age of performative connection and the craving for safety
  • [00:02:46] How Love is Blind reflects our relationship reality & defenses
  • [00:04:11] Vulnerability versus connection: Fear of exposure in modern love
  • [00:05:02] Case studies: Avoidance, self-protection, and emotional risk in past seasons
  • [00:06:31] Emotional risks, self-protection, and conversation avoidance (Allie & Anton)
  • [00:07:06] What real courage in relationships looks like (via Brene Brown)
  • [00:07:42] The speed of modern dating vs. our emotional capacity
  • [00:08:09] Emotional regulation, micro-vulnerability, and building real trust
  • [00:09:00] Madison & Joe: A case of protecting instead of connecting
  • [00:10:20] Attachment styles, generational patterns, and the impact on love
  • [00:12:17] Pandemic aftermath: Starved for connection, hypersensitive to intimacy
  • [00:13:16] Dating apps as numbing tools—why modern dating feels so hard
  • [00:14:09] The paradox: Control vs. experiencing real love
  • [00:14:50] Why Love is Blind resonates with so many: performative selves vs. longing for connection
  • [00:16:24] How to practice vulnerability: Micro-steps for building emotional trust
  • [00:18:23] What love really asks of us—clarity, bravery, and staying open
  • [00:19:20] The real experiment: Where do you protect instead of connect?
  • [00:20:26] Closing thoughts and encouragement to stay curious


Ready to turn the spotlight back on yourself? Hit play and start making sense of your own emotional mess!


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2 months ago
21 minutes 52 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 31: Flex Appeal: Why Rigid Leaders Are A Dying Breed

What if the secret to unlocking true leadership isn’t about knowing all the answers, but about learning to ask the right questions—especially across generations?


In this eye-opening episode of the “Gen Mess with Tess,” host Tess Brigham sits down with powerhouse executive coach Kristi Royse, founder of KLR Consulting, to uncover the real challenges—and unexpected opportunities—leaders face in today’s rapidly shifting workplace. You might be surprised to learn that the biggest workplace problem isn’t generational conflict, but something much sneakier: ignorance and a reluctance to adapt.

Tess and Kristi pull back the curtain on why leadership has changed so drastically since Kristi’s early Boston Market days—from command-and-control to flexible, empathic management. Together, they slice through stereotypes about “lazy” young workers and stubborn older bosses, revealing why every generation falls into the trap of judging the next—and how that holds companies back from monumental growth and innovation.


Key highlights from this episode include:

  • The shocking stat that in just a few years, most Americans will have a boss younger than themselves—and what that means for workplace dynamics.
  • Kristi’s candid stories about turning tech engineers into inspiring people leaders (plus, just how important real coaching—not checkbox training—can be).
  • Why understanding and embracing generational differences will make your team 49% more innovative (yes, there’s research to prove it).
  • The myth of “work-life balance” for Gen Z and Millennials, and how blending personal and professional lives is reshaping workplace expectations.



Whether you’re a CEO, manager, or early-career professional, this episode will challenge your assumptions and equip you with practical tips to create a healthier, more connected, and future-ready workplace. Get ready to make sense of the generational “mess”... and maybe even learn to thrive in it.


Timestamped Episode Overview:

00:01 – Tess introduces Kristi Royse and her extensive leadership background

01:13 – Kristi shares her origin story: from Boston Market COO to leadership consultant

02:25 – Night-and-day differences in leadership then and now

03:34 – The complex realities of leading five generations at once

06:01 – Tess and Kristi discuss fear, assumptions, and resistance to change among leaders

08:25 – Generational stereotypes: Why every young cohort gets accused of being “lazy”

09:48 – Coaching leaders to communicate and collaborate across generational divides

11:02 – The pitfalls of promoting technical stars to management without support

12:54 – Case study: Transforming engineers at Strava into people leaders

14:09 – Gen Z and the new meaning of work-life blend

15:26 – Building trust: How real conversations and vulnerability build stronger teams

18:00 – Younger vs. older generations: What key assumptions are holding us back?

20:17 – How to invest in employees—even if you fear they might leave

22:03 – Simple, actionable ways managers can support every direct report

23:27 – Overcoming resistance: Why the “it’s too much work” excuse falls flat

26:28 – Kristi on the greatest workplace struggle: ignorance and culture clashes

29:30 – Coaching, courage, and patience: The real keys to personal and company growth

40:02 – Doing meaningful work: When passion and purpose trump the paycheck

43:52 – Kristi’s positive spin: The generational “mess” is actually the best opportunity of our time

47:49 – Where to find Kristi’s work & resources for leaders ready to do better

Listen in and discover how you can turn generational tension into your organization’s biggest asset!


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2 months ago
50 minutes 51 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 30: Likes, Labels & Letting Go: The Empathy Edition with Dr. Ashok Bhattachanya

What if the greatest barrier to your success isn’t the world outside—but the silent story you keep telling yourself inside your own head?


In this compelling episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham sits down with Dr. Ashok Bhattacharya, psychiatrist and founder of The Empathy Clinic, to explore why empathy isn’t just a “soft skill”—it’s the invisible glue shaping our relationships, workplaces, and personal growth. Dr. Bhattacharya reveals how early life experiences and powerful moments (sometimes as tiny as a single comment from a grade school teacher) can shape the narratives that define—and sometimes limit—us for decades.


Together, Tess and Dr. Bhattacharya dig deep into how we can unravel unhelpful stories, challenge survival-mode thinking, and truly transform how we connect with ourselves and each other. They break down the real difference between empathy, compassion, and kindness, and explain why even a little bit of genuine empathy can make or break a relationship, a workplace, or even your own self-worth.


Key highlights you’ll discover in this episode:

  • The surprising childhood experience that led Dr. Bhattacharya to devote his life to empathy.
  • Why your brain is hardwired to focus on failures—plus how perfectionism sneaks into relationships and work.
  • The “jam jar” analogy that reframes why change often happens slowly—until it happens all at once.
  • Why empathy is NOT about agreement—or imagining yourself in someone else’s shoes.
  • How to raise emotionally healthy kids and support younger generations who face unprecedented pressures thanks to technology.
  • Practical tools for leaders (and coworkers) to foster empathy at work—without needing hours of meetings or group therapy.
  • The secrets of reciprocal empathy, especially in couples and intergenerational relationships.
  • How embracing difference, not sameness, is the real key to bridging generational divides.


If you’re curious about how to actually practice empathy (not just talk about it), handle disagreement gracefully, or help your team, family, or yourself thrive in a messy, ever-changing world, this episode is packed with actionable wisdom and heartfelt stories.


Timestamps Overview:

00:00 – Intro: The generational “mess” & Tess’s mission

00:31 – Dr. Ashok Bhattacharya’s origin story & why empathy matters

04:40 – How the stories we tell ourselves can cripple us

07:04 – Why falling down (in skating…or life) is harder to process than you think

10:16 – The amplified pressures of today’s tech-driven world for the younger generation

12:39 – Practice, failure, and shame: Why young people get “stuck”

14:40 – What empathy, compassion, and kindness actually are

16:28 – The real challenge of empathy and “getting out of your head”

19:46 – Can you be empathic with people you disagree with?

23:03 – Tess’s therapy work: The invisible ripple effect of empathy

26:57 – “Soft skills” and how small moments shape lives

31:16 – The privilege of being “with” someone as a therapist

32:37 – Why bridging generational divides requires empathy

34:59 – How generations value and practice empathy differently

39:08 – Practical steps for leaders and teams to actively use empathy

42:07 – Why “a little empathy goes a long way” in the workplace

44:08 – Empathy as a proactive force for productivity and trust

45:54 – Where to find Dr. Bhattacharya + his books on empathy and burnout

48:33 – The secret power of reciprocal empathy in couples

49:13 – Outro: Embracing the mess and learning to live in it

Listen in—and discover how empathy isn’t a luxury. It’s your greatest tool for navigating the messiness of modern life.


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3 months ago
49 minutes 44 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 29: Gen X vs. Gen Z: The Great Work-Life Smackdown

What if the American Dream your parents promised you was nothing but a myth? What if the payoff for all your hard work simply… never arrives?


In this eye-opening episode of the Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham sits down with writer, podcaster, and former writing professor Amye Archer to pull back the curtain on generational work myths, shifting values, and what’s really happening as Gen Xers raise Gen Z kids in a world that looks nothing like the one they inherited.


Key Highlights:

  • Generational Real Talk: Tess and Amye dive deep into Gen X’s collective disillusionment—how growing up between two very different eras (Boomers’ trusting company loyalty and Millennials’ self-branding hustle) shaped their perspectives on work, creativity, and life.
  • Gen Z’s New Playbook: Can you actually say “no” to crappy jobs and still end up ahead? Amye shares what she’s learned from parenting twin Gen Z daughters who refuse to settle for less, put work-life balance first, and are rewriting the rules the rest of us grew up with.
  • Therapist Wisdom & Storytelling: How does a background in writing, teaching, AND therapy shape a successful podcasting career? Amye reveals the skills and mindset shifts that made her leap from academia to the unpredictable world of podcasting—plus how connecting with listeners has become her ultimate reward.
  • Parenting Without a Playbook: From tales of “feral Gen X” childhoods to the anxiety of raising teens in an era of mass shootings and online drama, Tess and Amye compare notes on what surprises, worries, and inspires them about this new generation.
  • Shaking Up the Workplace: What does managing (or parenting) Gen Z really require? Hear straight talk on how managers and parents need to let go of old rules, focus on personal connection, and embrace the flexibility, questioning, and self-respect that today’s young adults demand.


Whether you’re wondering how to deal with your Gen Z coworkers, trying to understand your kids, or facing your own career pivot, this episode is a must-listen for anyone ready to finally make sense of the generational mess—and maybe even be inspired by it.


Episode Overview:

00:00 – Introductions & Pop Culture Blindspots: Gen X vs Gen Z

01:16 – Work, Creativity & Gen X Disillusionment

04:09 – Gen Z’s Bargaining Power at Work

06:06 – Parenting Styles Then and Now

10:56 – Mental Health, Communication & Anxiety in Kids

11:20 – Building a Podcast Career Outside the Traditional Path

12:52 – How Writing, Creativity, & Therapy Fuel Podcasting

15:00 – Why Amye Started Little Miss Recap & Murder She Watched

16:13 – Leaving Academia and Lessons from Career Pivots

18:27 – Working With a Spouse in the Podcasting World

19:33 – Surprises in Raising Gen Z Daughters

23:42 – Gen Z, World Issues & Climate Anxiety

25:23 – Gen Z and Money, Work-Life Balance, and Defining Success

26:58 – Gen X, Boomers, and the Vanishing American Dream

29:14 – Advice Gaps: Why “Old” Solutions Don’t Fit New Problems

31:09 – Why Professors (and Managers) Are Burned Out

33:27 – What Gen Z Has Taught Gen X About Self-Respect and Boundaries

35:25 – Parental Concerns: Coddling vs. Independence

38:39 – The Importance of Modeling and Letting Kids Fail

40:13 – Advice for Managing Gen Z at Work

41:58 – Why Work Should Focus on Output, Not Hours

43:11 – The Need for Personal Connection in the Modern Workplace

45:14 – Wrapping Up & Amye’s Podcast Plugs

Press play to discover how to stop fixing the mess—and start living in it.


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3 months ago
48 minutes 43 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 28: HR: Not Just Birthday Cakes and Candy – A Real Talk with Jessica Holst

What if the secret to skyrocketing your company’s profits isn’t better tech, but happier employees?


In this episode of Gen Mess With Tess, host Tess Brigham sits down with powerhouse people & culture leader Jessica Holst (SpaceX, CAA, Mattel, Verve) to pull back the curtain on why traditional HR practices—and even today’s obsession with AI—are missing the real leverage point for business success: the emotional well-being and engagement of your team.

Jessica reveals why most companies are completely underestimating how much empowering employees (instead of controlling them) transforms productivity, innovation, and the bottom line. Through compelling stories from Hollywood’s notorious agency world to surprising data on what actually drives performance, Jessica and Tess dive into:

  • The evolution of HR from “personnel police” to culture architects—and why most organizations are stuck in the past
  • The science behind why emotions and a sense of belonging at work fuel profitability
  • Why letting go of short-term thinking is essential in the age of AI (spoiler alert: robots can’t replace genuine human connection)
  • The broken pipeline in Hollywood and other fields that keeps real talent and diversity out of reach—and how Jessica helped raise assistant pay industry-wide
  • Navigating generational rifts, from Gen Z’s boundary-setting to Gen X’s “work-as-life” mindset, and what leaders need to realize about new definitions of success
  • The tricky but critical difference between bringing your authentic self versus your whole self to work—and how to set healthy boundaries as a leader
  • Practical, hard-won advice for building workplaces where people actually want to show up (and what happens when you finally give them a voice)

If you’re a business owner, manager, future leader, or anyone struggling with workplace “mess”—don’t miss this deep, frank, and refreshingly actionable conversation. You’ll walk away with new strategies (and maybe a few hard truths) for bridging generational divides, unlocking creativity, and making your company a magnet for talent.


Episode Overview

  • [00:00] Intro & Jessica's unexpected leap into HR
  • [00:04] From “personnel” to people strategy: reframing the HR function
  • [00:07] Ritz-Carlton & Enterprise: The business breakthrough of empowering employees
  • [00:15] Why can’t CEOs see the ROI of treating people well?
  • [00:25] Hollywood’s diversity problem and the legacy of gatekeeping
  • [00:36] What Gen Z and Millennials really want at work (and why)
  • [00:43] Authenticity vs. Oversharing: Navigating boundaries in the modern workplace
  • [00:54] How being a parent (and a manager) can make you better at both
  • [00:57] Jessica’s consulting journey & how to create a workplace everyone wants to work for


Tune in for an episode that just might change the way you think about work—and how to make it work better, for everyone.


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3 months ago
1 hour 32 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 27: Write or Wrong: Why Most Writing Sucks (and How to Fix It) with Brian Morgan

What if the biggest problem with your writing isn’t your grammar or structure—but the way you think?


In this eye-opening episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham sits down with her personal writing coach, Brian Morgan, founder of Think Deeply, Write Clearly, to reveal the transformative link between writing, thinking, and the human condition. Get ready to reconsider everything you thought you knew about creativity, communication, and the very process of making sense of the world.


Brian shares his unconventional journey from struggling actor to billion-dollar report editor, ultimately landing as a leading expert in sense-making through writing. Together, Tess and Brian dive into:


  • Why most writing problems are actually rooted in muddled thinking—and why most schools do a terrible job of teaching this.
  • The surprising truth about creative careers: Do most artists really want to be artists, or just famous?
  • The dangers of trusting leaders who speak in conclusions instead of thoughtful frameworks (with spicy commentary on today’s political climate!)
  • Why Gen Z and today’s college students are falling behind in critical thinking and communication—and how our current education structures are failing them
  • The one daily practice that can immediately make you a clearer thinker, communicator, and human being


Whether you’re a business leader, educator, or someone wanting to bridge the generational communication gap, this episode is packed with vulnerable stories, tough truths, and actionable takeaways for thriving in the modern world—mess and all.


Timestamped Overview:

00:00 – Tess introduces the Gen Mess with Tess and welcomes Brian Morgan

00:01 – Brian’s background: From acting to editing billion-dollar contracts to writing coaching

00:07 – Are artists really after creative mastery or just fame?

00:14 – What acting teaches about observation, sense-making, and writing

00:17 – Why most writing “problems” are actually thinking problems

00:22 – The danger of conclusions without sense-making frameworks; politics and business examples

00:29 – Is it our individual job to make sense of the world? Stories of self-reflection, failure, and growth

00:43 – The crisis in education: Why today’s students struggle with thinking and writing (COVID-19’s impact and beyond)

00:50 – Rapid fire: Brian’s top writing/communication tip you can use right now

00:53 – Free resource: How to join Brian’s 90-day prolific writing program


Listen, reflect, and discover how you can clean up your own “gen mess”—one clear thought at a time.


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3 months ago
54 minutes 50 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 26: Is the American Dream Still Alive or Has It Changed for Gen Z?

What if the American Dream was never really meant for everyone? And what if today’s younger generations are reinventing it into something healthier and more meaningful?


In this thought-provoking solo episode, Tess Brigham dives headfirst into the messy legacy of the American Dream—exposing who it really served, how it shaped generations, and why Gen Z and Millennials are outgrowing the old rules. Tess peels back the glossy myth of "work hard and you’ll have it all," uncovering the hidden realities of racial, gender, and economic exclusion. Through personal anecdotes, cultural observations (from Bake Sale Betty to Barbie to Mad Men), and data-driven insights, Tess reveals how younger generations are rewriting the dream: prioritizing enough over excess, values over grind, and happiness over hustle.


Tune in to discover:

  • The untold limitations of the post-war American Dream—even at its peak
  • How today’s economic realities stack the odds against traditional milestones
  • Why Gen Z is rejecting burnout culture and chasing a new vision of “enoughness”
  • What companies must change to attract and keep the next generation of talent
  • The surprising truth about what really drives our pursuit of success


If you’ve ever wondered why “kids these days” have different aspirations—or if you’re struggling with your own feelings about work and self-worth—this episode will help you see the American Dream in a whole new light.


Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Show intro and the American Dream: myth vs. reality
  • 02:16 — Who actually got access to the American Dream post-WWII
  • 04:27 — Bake Sale Betty: Redefining business success and work-life balance
  • 08:50 — The American Dream today: College debt, housing prices, and wage stagnation
  • 12:20 — Gen Z’s new dream: Mental well-being and purposeful work
  • 14:19 — Pop culture shifts: From Barbie to Mad Men
  • 15:57 — A Dream of “enough”: What if fulfillment is the goal?
  • 17:59 — Wrap up: Living with the messy, evolving American Dream


Subscribe for more real talk with Tess Brigham, or visit tessbrigham.com to learn how Tess can help your organization thrive across generations!


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3 months ago
18 minutes 44 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 25: Influencer By Accident: The Secret Life of CEOs, Consultants & Content Creators

What if the secret to true influence is saying “no” more often than saying “yes”?


In this eye-opening episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham sits down with Brad Hoos—CEO of The Outloud Group and founder of Musk Ox—to unravel the myths and realities behind the influencer industry, generational shifts at work, and what it really takes to lead with authenticity.

Brad didn’t set out to become an influencer marketing expert—in fact, he’s a self-described “recovering engineer” and ex-management consultant. But after an unlikely twist in his career, Brad now leads an agency representing top creators on YouTube, TikTok, and beyond. Together, Tess and Brad dig deep into:

  • The science of influence: Can you “fake” true influence, or is it rooted in trust and authenticity? And why is it often the creators who turn down brand deals who drive the biggest results?
  • Generational insights: How Gen Z and millennials are changing the digital landscape, why “YouTube famous” now simply means “famous,” and whether being an influencer is just a masked quest for connection and self-acceptance.
  • The CEO’s balancing act: Brad reveals how he protects his mental health amid chaos, the productivity hacks that actually work, and the surprising lesson that changed everything about how he leads.
  • Company culture that sticks: Hear how Outloud Group centers success on personal growth and emotional intelligence, and how radical direct communication keeps their workplace free of toxic gossip.
  • The power of saying no: Why knowing when to walk away—from brand deals, tasks, or even outdated life advice—might be the ultimate “growth hack.”


Plus, Tess and Brad open up about parenting across generations, living in the chaotic mess of life, and what today’s rising leaders are getting right (and wrong) about carving their own paths.

This episode is a must-listen whether you’re an aspiring influencer, people leader, or simply navigating the generational dynamics at work and home.


Timestamped Episode Overview:

00:00 – Tess introduces Brad Hoos and the evolving generational “mess”

01:09 – Brad’s unexpected journey from engineering to influencer marketing

03:50 – Why consulting shaped his approach to data-driven, people-first campaigns

05:46 – The Super Bowl, Kendrick Lamar, and the myth of “faking” influence

06:48 – How trust and authenticity drive true influence online

09:06 – The power of creators saying “no” and the perils of commercial oversaturation

12:02 – Brad’s daily routines and mental health as a CEO

15:09 – Productivity hacks that actually work (and those that don’t)

18:42 – Why subtraction is the real path to sanity for leaders

21:58 – Outloud’s unique definition of success and growth-focused culture

25:37 – Building a company around emotional intelligence and radical candor

28:05 – Brad’s pivotal moment learning to stop carrying leadership’s emotional weight

32:37 – Parenting, presence, and finding joy in living fully “in the moment”

36:53 – How millennials and Gen Z have redefined influence, fame, and advocacy

44:27 – Why Gen Z’s drive for purpose and connection is changing everything

50:41 – Is the influencer dream a search for real community?


Don’t forget to subscribe, and if you’re ready to bridge your own generational gaps, check out Tess’s work at tessbrigham.com or connect with Brad and his team at outloudgroup.com!


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4 months ago
52 minutes 32 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 24: Central Perks and Parent's Couch: The One Where Adulthood Gets Complicated

What if your favorite ‘90s sitcom is actually an aspirational fantasy—and today’s TV is a brutally honest mirror?


In this unexpected solo episode, Tess Brigham dives into the wild evolution of 20-something life on TV, revealing what Friends got right (and wrong) about young adulthood, and why the new FX series Adults hits closer to home for Gen Z.

Tess shares her own Hollywood background before she became a therapist and coach, unpacking how pop culture doesn’t just entertain us—it reflects our deepest worries, hopes, and the messy realities of growing up. Using Friends and Adults as cultural bookends, Tess explores how economic stability, rent prices, college debt, technology, social media, and discussions around identity and mental health have radically reshaped what it means to "grow up" over just 30 years.


Key highlights include:

  • The jaw-dropping gap between ‘90s economic realities and today’s housing and job market for young adults
  • Why Friends never tackled race, sexuality, or student debt—and how Adults puts those issues front and center
  • How social media has blown up the scale of comparison and anxiety for today’s 20-somethings
  • Surprising universal truths: no matter the decade, everyone in their twenties feels lost, unsure, and desperate to find their people
  • What both older and younger generations can learn from these shows


Whether you grew up wishing you could hang out at Central Perk or you’re hustling in your parents' house in Queens, this episode asks: What does adulthood really mean—and how do we redefine it together?


Timestamped Episode Overview:

00:00:01 – Intro & show mission; Tess shares her Hollywood background

00:01:33 – Why pop culture is a “mirror” for our lives

00:02:02 – Comparing FX’s Adults and Friends: then vs. now

00:03:38 – Economic realities for young adults in the ‘90s

00:04:51 – Tech, social media, and how comparison has changed

00:05:31 – How Adults depicts modern realities: housing, healthcare, and job insecurity

00:07:59 – (Ad break) Tess discusses her work with organizations

00:08:45 – Diversity, privilege, identity: from invisible to center stage

00:09:31 – Universal truths of young adulthood that never change

00:10:59 – Today’s heightened pressures: rent, debt, and fragile economy

00:12:11 – Technology amplifies awareness—and anxiety

00:13:18 – Why comparing the two shows matters for every generation

00:14:16 – What each generation can learn from Friends and Adults

00:14:58 – The enduring importance of friendship and connection

00:16:25 – Closing thoughts & where to find more from Tess

Don’t miss this episode if you’ve ever felt caught between nostalgia and reality—or want to understand how every generation tries (and struggles) to make sense of this “gen mess.”


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4 months ago
16 minutes 56 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 23: The Power of Thought, Action, And Words: Practical Growth with Billy G.

What if the secret to manifesting the life you want isn’t just about thinking positive thoughts—what if it’s about understanding how your mind, heart, and healing all work together?


In this episode of Gen Mess with Tess, host Tess Brigham sits down with transformational speaker and life coach Billy Giannouloudis (aka Billy G), and the conversation is full of surprising wisdom, down-to-earth insights, and a fresh, spiritual take on both coaching and therapy.

Billy shares the profound turning point in his life when everything seemed to fall apart—family, relationships, career plans—only to realize that this mess was exactly what led him to his true calling. He opens up about his coaching journey, including his training with Tony Robbins, and reveals how real transformation happens when we blend action-based coaching with deeper therapeutic healing.


Key highlights include:

  • The shocking way Billy found his life’s purpose when everything else collapsed.
  • The “doorknob effect” in coaching, and why the biggest breakthroughs often come right at the end of a conversation.
  • Billy’s core approach: mastering your thoughts, words, and beliefs—the three things everyone can control.
  • Demystifying manifestation: Why most people get it wrong, and how manifesting is actually happening all the time, even when you’re asleep.
  • A candid discussion about generational shifts, technology, and how Millennials (and younger generations) are rewriting the rules for personal growth, emotions, and healing.
  • Tess and Billy’s practical advice for both skeptics and enthusiasts: how to make change stick, bridge the generational gap, and move from “fixing the mess” to thriving in it.


Whether you’re curious about what really works in life coaching, trying to rewrite your own mental script, or just looking to finally “get” manifestation without the hype, this episode brings the real talk and actionable steps you need.


Episode Overview (Timestamps):

  • 00:00:01 – Intro and Tess welcomes Billy Giannouloudis
  • 00:01:25 – Billy’s origin story: from psychology to rock bottom to life coaching
  • 00:03:13 – Mixing therapy with Tony Robbins’ coaching: What stuck, what changed
  • 00:05:27 – How to make borrowed wisdom your own—becoming the first you, not the next someone else
  • 00:07:52 – Billy’s practical process for helping high performers and everyday clients get unstuck
  • 00:11:49 – The “three things you control”: thoughts, words, and actions/beliefs
  • 00:17:01 – What most people misunderstand about manifestation (and why it’s not just about repeating affirmations)
  • 00:24:19 – How generational experiences—from 9/11 to tech—shape Millennials and beyond
  • 00:32:43 – Answering skeptics: Can younger coaches help older clients? (Billy’s answer might surprise you)
  • 00:36:36 – Where to find Billy online and wrap-up with Tess


Listen in for a truly fresh conversation that blends the pragmatic, the spiritual, and the real challenges we all face living in the “mess” of modern life.


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4 months ago
38 minutes 43 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess
Ep 22: Is Work Just a Hobby? How Gen Z Is Redefining Success with Katie O’Brien

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Show Notes

What if your job was just a hobby—and not your entire reason for existence?


On this episode of “Gen Mess with Tess,” host Tess Brigham sits down with Katie O’Brien, a Gen Z professional working abroad at a multinational company, who’s redefining what it means to build a career in a world overflowing with choices, expectations, and the ever-present pressure of comparison.


Together, Tess and Katie dive into the most surprising realities of starting out in today’s workforce—not just the freedom to pivot and explore multiple paths, but also the unexpected paralysis that comes from “too many options.” Katie opens up about the struggles of decision making in an age of social media highlight reels, the burden of being compared to previous generations, and her candid take on why Gen Z refuses to let work define their entire lives.


Other key highlights include:

  • Katie’s revelation that most people don’t just have one career anymore—and why that realization can be liberating (or terrifying)
  • Why Gen Z is often misread as “not wanting to work,” when really they’re just setting boundaries and craving growth beyond the day-to-day grind
  • A deep dive into the anxieties sparked by constant comparison (think: friends traveling, buying homes, or switching careers), and how Katie manages that voice in her head telling her to do it all
  • The power of managers sharing their own stories—and how generational conversations at work are evolving
  • Katie’s best advice for managers: every Gen Zer is different, so don’t assume what works for one will work for another
  • A refreshingly honest reminder: Adulthood and working life is “hard, but not impossible”—and why we all need to be a little kinder to ourselves (and each other)


Whether you’re trying to figure out your next move, manage Gen Z employees, or just want to know how today’s young professionals are navigating their own “gen mess,” this episode will give you insight, practical advice, and maybe even a little relief knowing everyone’s just figuring it out as they go.


Episode Overview:

  • 00:00 — Introduction & Katie’s background: work isn’t what it used to be
  • 03:00 — The myth of one career path and the overwhelm of too many choices
  • 06:00 — Facing generational judgment at work
  • 09:30 — The importance of supportive managers and generational perspectives
  • 11:00 — Skills over degrees: Why backgrounds don’t always matter
  • 16:00 — Taking advice with perspective & learning to filter feedback
  • 19:00 — Social media’s impact on decision making and comparison
  • 24:00 — The quest for life balance, happiness, and living intentionally
  • 31:00 — Gen Z trends: Work as a hobby, not an identity
  • 34:00 — What older managers should know about Gen Z
  • 36:00 — The real talk: Adulthood is hard, and that’s okay


Listen in for an authentic, cross-generational conversation about what it really means to make sense of the mess today.



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4 months ago
40 minutes 36 seconds

The Gen Mess with Tess

Are generational divides in the workplace and in life driving you crazy?

The Gen Mess with Tess is here to help! Hosted by Tess Brigham—certified coach, licensed therapist, TEDx speaker, author, and mom to a Gen Zer—this podcast tackles the challenges and complexities of navigating life and work across multiple generations. From the unique struggles of Gen Z to the evolving perspectives of Millennials, Gen X, and Baby Boomers, Tess brings her expertise to the table, offering practical advice, expert insights, and real conversations to bridge the generational gap. Whether you're trying to communicate better with colleagues, understand your kids, or just get a clearer perspective on the "mess" of it all, The Gen Mess with Tess is your go-to resource for understanding how different generations think, work, and live.


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