🎙️ Welcome to Episode 14 of The Honest Money Show
In this episode, Anja sits down with Katie Ananina, founder of Plan B and now CMO of CitizenX, widely known as Katie the Russian. Katie shares her remarkable journey from growing up in Russia to becoming a leading voice in the second-citizenship, Bitcoin, and investment-migration space.
They explore why second citizenship has become a powerful tool for those seeking optionality in an increasingly unpredictable world. Katie dives into the realities of geopolitical unrest, how immigration policies are shifting, and why more people, especially Bitcoiners, are turning to alternative jurisdictions for freedom, stability, and community.
The conversation highlights the human stories behind relocation: the importance of tribe, the practicalities of healthcare and lifestyle, and the growing accessibility of citizenship by investment for the middle class. Katie also discusses the rise of El Salvador as a Bitcoin-friendly hub and what motherhood has taught her about building resilience and choosing where to raise a family.
Whether you're concerned about global instability, exploring second-citizenship options, or simply curious about how Bitcoin intersects with freedom of movement, this episode offers grounded, actionable insights.
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• CitizenX Website: https://citizenx.comÂ
• CitizenX on X: https://x.com/CitizenXÂ
• Katie Ananina on X: https://x.com/PlanBpassportÂ
🔑 Key Takeaways:
• Second citizenship is increasingly viewed as a hedge against geopolitical uncertainty.
• Katie’s personal story reveals how political instability shapes views on freedom and mobility.
• Clients seek optionality (not escape) when pursuing additional citizenships.
• COVID-19 accelerated remote work and made relocation more viable than ever.
• Investment migration is becoming accessible to a broader middle class.
• El Salvador is emerging as a strong destination for Bitcoiners.
• Community and finding a “tribe” are essential in choosing a new home.
• Healthcare, lifestyle, and environment are core priorities for families.
• Citizenship by investment streamlines an otherwise complex immigration process.
• Motherhood adds a new lens to evaluating safety, opportunity, and long-term stability.
⏱️ Chapters:
00:11 – Introduction to CitizenX and Katie’s Journey
02:59 – Katie’s Early Life and Experiences in Russia
05:54 – The Impact of Political and Economic Instability
08:44 – Understanding Client Motivations for Second Citizenship
11:49 – The Future of Immigration Policies
14:42 – Citizenship by Investment: Trends and Opportunities
18:09 – Healthcare and Lifestyle Considerations for Relocation
21:02 – Democratisation of Citizenship Options
23:54 – The Role of Community in Relocation Decisions
27:04 – Motherhood and Bitcoin: A Unique Perspective
29:53 – El Salvador: A Case Study in Bitcoin Adoption
32:53 – Conclusion and Future Considerations
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The Honest Money Show explores the forces shaping our financial world — from monetary expansion and policy to Bitcoin. The podcast features in-depth conversations with thought leaders, economists, innovators, and everyday people who challenge mainstream narratives and offer grounded, actionable insights. It is built on the belief that understanding money is key to understanding power, freedom, and the future — and that financial literacy can empower people to take control of their lives in uncertain times, offering a sense of agency in a world that often feels out of their control.
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