In this episode, Evan sits down with songwriter, poet, and thinker Andy Squyres—a voice that has been deeply resonant for those walking through doubt, grief, and the complexities of faith. Known for his honest lyrics and raw expressions of devotion, Andy unpacks the tension between belief and struggle, why he’s more hopeful than ever, and how he thinks the Church is undergoing a necessary and painful transformation.

From writing songs that hold space for suffering to exploring the limits of institutional faith, Andy speaks candidly about grief, meaning, and what it means to follow Jesus in a world addicted to certainty. If you’ve ever wrestled with your place in the Church, questioned your inherited theology, or wondered if you’re allowed to bring your whole self to God—this conversation will meet you in that space.

Takeaways:

👉 Art should mirror the absurdity of life—Andy writes songs not to explain away pain, but to help people tell the truth about it.

👉 You can be honest with God—your questions, grief, and contradictions don’t scare Him.

👉 Deconstruction isn’t always destruction—sometimes it’s just making space for a deeper, more sustainable faith.

👉 Certainty is not the goal—Andy speaks about letting go of belief systems to actually experience God, not just ideas about Him.

👉 Flourishing isn’t fame or control—it’s knowing your neighbors, getting your hands in the soil, and living a life you can sustain.

👉 The Church isn’t dying—it’s being remade—and artists, poets, and prophets are helping us see what’s next.

I’m not trying to affirm what people already believe—I’m trying to get them to see that God is much more than they’re thinking about Him. —Andy Squyres

This episode is for anyone wrestling with doubt, stuck in-between frameworks, or looking for faith that feels both holy and human.

🎧 Show Notes: ⁠https://itstheinbetween.com/episode15-andy-squyres/