Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
In this episode of “Push the Leading Edge”, James Hawkins and Ryan Rana dive into one of the most anxiety‑provoking parts of EFT: when the caregiving system red-lights right in the middle of beautiful vulnerability. Drawing on attachment theory and years of EFT training experience, they explore “caregiving nightmares”—those predictable moments when a partner can’t respond with comfort, even when their loved one is wide open and reaching.
They unpack how pursuers and withdrawers each bring their attachment strategies into the caregiving role: withdrawers often “loan out their avoidance” as a form of love, and pursuers “up the ante” as their way of fighting for the bond. Rather than shaming these moves or bypassing them to “get to the heart,” James and Ryan show how to move toward the blocks themselves as emotional material, validating the attachment logic inside them and using structured, attuned interventions to help partners reclaim their caregiving systems.
With rich clinical examples, regulation strategies for therapists, and practical language you can use tomorrow, this episode helps you trust the process, trust the caregiving system, and stay with the red lights long enough for new attachment experiences to emerge.
Main Points from the Episode
Framing: “Caregiving Nightmares” & Red Lights - Focus on stage 2 / step 6 caregiving positions, and the “back half” of vulnerable enactments. - The “red light” is the blocked caregiving system: the partner can’t offer simple comfort even when they want to.
Predictable Attachment Patterns in Caregiving - Withdrawers as caregivers: - “Loan out their avoidance” or self-reliance: advice, positivity, “be comfortable in your own skin.” - This is a form of love and responsiveness, but often misattuned. - Pursuers as caregivers: - “Up the ante”: test, push, or kick the tires on vulnerability (“it’s just words,” “you only do this in here”). - Driven by hope and fear of being dropped again.
Therapist Regulation & Preparation - Pre‑regulate before couples sessions; expect blocks as part of the process, not a failure. - If the therapist dysregulates, you now have three protection systems in the room.
Working with Withdrawer Red Lights - Steps: 1. Regulate yourself. 2. Offer an attuned, assertive interruption (contain the cycle). 3. Give 3–5 concrete validations of the withdrawer’s strategy as attachment‑driven care. 4. Reframe the strategy’s attachment function (“this is how you love/protect”). 5. Then gently move toward the part that wants to reach. - Don’t bypass the strategy; work with it as emotional material.
Working with Pursuer Red Lights - Normalize that pursuers often lash out or test the first vulnerabilities they’ve begged for. - Validate their vision, hope, and fight for the relationship (3–5 validations). - Help them notice their somatic/empathic response to the partner’s pain (1% of reach or comfort). - Avoid shaming language like “you’re going to your head.”
Use of Numbers & Repetition - “Magic” 3–5 validations to regulate a nervous system. - Sue Johnson’s idea: clients often don’t really hear you until about the 5th repetition.
Tourniquets & Sender Protection - After a strong send + strong red light, layer tourniquets on the sender so they: - Feel caught and not blamed. - Are reinforced to risk again. - Never make the sender give up their experience just to soothe the blocked caregiver.
Trusting the Caregiving System - Leanne Campbell’s idea: trusting the process = trusting the
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