Pia and Tyler discuss "pleasure principle," the album closer that almost didn't make it into the book. Pia shares why she wanted to reclaim pleasure beyond just sexuality—desert road trips, artichokes, intimacy—while Tyler reveals this is the only track he's ever made that made him cry. A conversation about co-creating with friends, how six months changed them both, and savoring life—because even the pain is part of the pleasure.
Pia and Tyler discuss "between scripts" and the uncomfortable space between who you were and who you're becoming. They explore why chaos is creative opportunity and that sweet moment when you remember you get to write what comes next. A conversation about curating chaos, building capacity for uncertainty, and how growth spurts feel nauseating until you realize you're just rounding the bend into something bigger.
Pia and Tyler discuss the making of "the morning after", exploring how imagination fuels creativity but becomes a trap when you live in Lalaland. A conversation about staying grounded in reality (and dipping your toes in fantasy) while letting your imagination run wild when making art.
Pia and Tyler discuss "meat," the album's most sensual track about desire, intimacy, and the line between fantasy and reality. They explore how imagination fuels creativity, why getting lost in fantasy is no bueno, and the gift of being able to create worlds in your mind—as long as you keep your feet planted in reality.
Pia and Tyler discuss "spilled coffee and smashed cherries," a track about shape-shifting, containment, and learning to spill over. They share how to flip trauma into superpowers, mold yourself instead of letting others mold you, and remind us that we're the ones choosing - the ones stacking plates.
Pia and Tyler discuss "thirsty," Pia's most vulnerable poem about addiction, sobriety, and creativity. Pia shares her journey from living behind a "fogged up glass" to five years sober. They explore how numbness blocks our ability to create, and how the track moves through monotony, messy rebellion, crushing shame, and finally — choosing to feel it all and get high on reality instead.
From chaotic city streets to Italian siestas, Pia and Tyler explore how "where it lives" captures where creativity does and doesn't reside. They discuss why Pia expanded this poem mid-process and how Tyler experimented with distorted street sounds to capture anxiety. The key insight: creative flow can feel just as fast-paced as anxiety—it's the energy behind the work that matters.
The gym is empty, Gatorade bottles rolling around - you're about to step into the creative arena. Tyler and Pia explore "towels," a track about that moment when you're preparing to create, knowing you'll be changed on the other side of it.
Pia shares the backstory behind Vaseline-prepped fighters and fluorescent Lycra, while Tyler explains how he built that tense, pre-creation energy into the music. They discuss why showing up fully on stage means being ready for both roses and tomatoes, and why indifference is worse than dislike.
What happens when you kill your darlings and trust the creative process? Tyler and Pia dive into the making of "hungry" and how the breakdown led to the breakthrough. From Pia's gut feeling that the first version wasn't right to Tyler downloading that perfect 808 pattern, this episode reveals the sweet tension between control and flow in creative collaboration.
Tyler and Pia get real about the messy, beautiful terror of creative leaps. What it feels like to stand on the edge of something new - whether it's a song, a project, or a new life - having no clue what's waiting below.
They break down their track "come on in" and the art of creative collaboration minus the egos. Plus: why the water's always warm once you finally stop overthinking and cannonball into your big wide.
How do you start an album when you've never done this before? Tyler and Pia dive into 'RSVP' - the track that kicked everything off - sharing the moment they knew they wanted to make something together and the creative process that shaped both the words and the sound.