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The Practice of the Practice Podcast | Where Modern Psychology Meets the Business of Therapy
Joe Sanok | Private Practice Consultant, TEDx Speaker & Author of Thursday is the New Friday
300 episodes
2 days ago
Therapists aren’t taught business skills. So how do you market your services, automate systems, or grow from a solo practice to a group; all without burning out?

What if you want to integrate AI, mindfulness, sports psychology, or psychedelic therapy into your work—where do you even start?

The Practice of the Practice Podcast helps therapists, counselors, coaches, and wellness professionals navigate the business side of mental health while staying at the forefront of clinical innovation.

Hosted by Joe Sanok, consultant and author of Thursday is the New Friday, each episode dives into the questions practitioners actually face—marketing fundamentals, finances, ethical and legal challenges, scaling sustainably—and features the leading voices in all things therapy, both business, and academic.
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Therapists aren’t taught business skills. So how do you market your services, automate systems, or grow from a solo practice to a group; all without burning out?

What if you want to integrate AI, mindfulness, sports psychology, or psychedelic therapy into your work—where do you even start?

The Practice of the Practice Podcast helps therapists, counselors, coaches, and wellness professionals navigate the business side of mental health while staying at the forefront of clinical innovation.

Hosted by Joe Sanok, consultant and author of Thursday is the New Friday, each episode dives into the questions practitioners actually face—marketing fundamentals, finances, ethical and legal challenges, scaling sustainably—and features the leading voices in all things therapy, both business, and academic.
Show more...
Entrepreneurship
Business,
Marketing,
Health & Fitness,
Mental Health
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GPBC25 Series: Looking Ahead: Positioning Yourself for Retirement and Beyond with Ellen J.W. Gigliotti | POP 1284
The Practice of the Practice Podcast | Where Modern Psychology Meets the Business of Therapy
23 minutes 43 seconds
3 weeks ago
GPBC25 Series: Looking Ahead: Positioning Yourself for Retirement and Beyond with Ellen J.W. Gigliotti | POP 1284
What does it really mean to build a legacy that lasts beyond your practice? How can you prepare for the next chapter without losing your sense of purpose? What if retirement isn’t an ending at all, but an evolution, and a new chapter that you can start writing now?
In this podcast episode from the GPBC25 Series, Ellen J. W. Gigliotti speaks about looking ahead and positioning yourself for retirement and beyond.
Podcast Sponsor: Headway







I want to thank Headway for sponsoring this episode. If you run a group practice, you know that accepting insurance can be overwhelming. Between credentialing, billing, and payroll, the admin side can easily take over your week. Headway was built to help you handle this — and they’re the only platform designed specifically for in-network group practices.
Whether you’re growing your team or running an established practice, Headway makes the business side easier with faster credentialing, higher per-session rates, and biweekly payments your team can count on.
They work with therapy, psychiatric, and hybrid groups — and there are no subscription fees. Just the support you need to run your practice with ease.
Run your best group practice with Headway — trusted by thousands of group practice leaders to simplify insurance admin and reach more people through in-network care.
Curious how Headway can work for you? 
Meet Ellen Gigliotti

Ellen J.W. Gigliotti is the guiding force behind Retire + Thrive, where she helps women professionals, entrepreneurs, therapists and business-owners craft retirements that are not an after-thought, but a bold next chapter. With 20+ years as a licensed marriage & family therapist, she has walked the transition from practice and business into a purposeful future — and now uses that lived and professional experience to support others.
Visit the Retire + Thrive website.
In This Podcast

* The benefits of thinking ahead 
* Retirement is more (and less) than you imagine 
* Surprising things that change 
* Ellen’s questions for you 

The benefits of thinking ahead 
You may be nowhere near retirement yet, and that’s fine. You may just be starting your private practice, or running a full-scale group practice with a whole load of staff, clients, and loving every minute of it. Or, you may want to pack up and sell now. 
Whatever your current situation is, thinking ahead will always be beneficial. 

It was very hard to figure things out business-wise, but it’s also hard to figure things out personally. You also have to give some thought to that – not just how to sell your practice, but also, “What do you want your life to look like?” What is your definition of a life well lived? (Ellen Gigliotti)

It is better to make a plan and not use it than get to a place where you need a plan but didn’t prepare one. Plans can always be changed and updated as time goes on, but there can be a problem when you need one and there isn’t one. 

It helps to chalk out anything you’re doing, any kind of planning … and it also helps to explore a little bit. (Ellen Gigliotti)

Retirement is more (and less) than you imagine
Ellen explains that your expectations of retirement may be skewed because it is both more and less than you imagine. 
It is not a full vacation, but on the other hand, it can be much more peaceful. Simultaneously,
The Practice of the Practice Podcast | Where Modern Psychology Meets the Business of Therapy
Therapists aren’t taught business skills. So how do you market your services, automate systems, or grow from a solo practice to a group; all without burning out?

What if you want to integrate AI, mindfulness, sports psychology, or psychedelic therapy into your work—where do you even start?

The Practice of the Practice Podcast helps therapists, counselors, coaches, and wellness professionals navigate the business side of mental health while staying at the forefront of clinical innovation.

Hosted by Joe Sanok, consultant and author of Thursday is the New Friday, each episode dives into the questions practitioners actually face—marketing fundamentals, finances, ethical and legal challenges, scaling sustainably—and features the leading voices in all things therapy, both business, and academic.