Bonus Conversation: Same Vocabulary, Different Spirit

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The Starfish and the Church

Starfish Initiatives

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The Starfish and the Church podcast is a mix of interviews and storytelling where hosts Rob Wegner and Lance Ford explore a paradigm shift away from modern, hierarchical structures of leadership to a radical Jesus-centered, starfish approach. Like the podcast, check out more at thestarfishandthespirit.com

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Bonus Conversation: Same Vocabulary, Different Spirit

The Starfish and the Church

25 minutes 10 seconds

5 months ago

Bonus Conversation: Same Vocabulary, Different Spirit

Bonus Conversation: Same Vocabulary, Different Spirit

What happens when the same fivefold vocabulary is used—but fueled by a radically different spirit?

In this episode, Rob Wegner, Brian Johnson, and Alan Hirsch dive into the fork in the road facing the Church today. On one side: the rise of the New Apostolic Reformation, steeped in hierarchy, dominion theology, and Christian nationalism. On the other: the Spirit-distributed, Jesus-shaped model of Ephesians 4 ministry—where power is cruciform and every disciple is activated.

This conversation unpacks why fivefold leadership isn’t just a theological side note—it’s a discipleship crisis, a leadership reckoning, and a call to rewild the Church. Same vocabulary. Different spirit. Totally different outcomes.

🔗 Read the full companion article and join the conversation at starfishyou.substack.com