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The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
The TV Police
27 episodes
2 days ago

Welcome to The TV Police, the ultimate rewatch podcast of The Mentalist. Hosted by original cast members Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho), this series dives deep into every episode of the hit CBS TV series The Mentalist. Go behind the scenes with never-before-heard stories, character breakdowns, and insider moments with cast and crew. Whether you’re a long-time fan of Patrick Jane and Lisbon or discovering The Mentalist for the first time, The TV Police delivers laughs, nostalgia, and true TV insight. Follow now for weekly drops of exclusive commentary, unseen secrets, and authentic chemistry from Rigsby and Cho themselves.

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Welcome to The TV Police, the ultimate rewatch podcast of The Mentalist. Hosted by original cast members Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho), this series dives deep into every episode of the hit CBS TV series The Mentalist. Go behind the scenes with never-before-heard stories, character breakdowns, and insider moments with cast and crew. Whether you’re a long-time fan of Patrick Jane and Lisbon or discovering The Mentalist for the first time, The TV Police delivers laughs, nostalgia, and true TV insight. Follow now for weekly drops of exclusive commentary, unseen secrets, and authentic chemistry from Rigsby and Cho themselves.

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Episodes (20/27)
The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E13 (VIDEO): Paint It Red. The Mentalist Rewatch

Get ready for a crime drama deep dive as we explore The Mentalist Season 1, Episode 13 - "Paint It Red", one of the most artful mysteries in the first season. In this episode, Patrick Jane and the California Bureau of Investigation (CBI) team are pulled into a high-stakes investigation when a $50 million priceless painting is stolen and a top executive is found bludgeoned to death in his office, triggering a thrilling pursuit that blurs the world of fine art and violent crime.

On this episode of The TV Police, your hosts break down: the intricate CBI investigation into the stolen artwork where clues lead from office politics to art world secrets.

The dynamic interplay between Owain Yeoman's "Wayne Rigsby" and Tim Kang's "Kimball Cho" as they handle crime scene challenges and creative police work with their signature mix of grit and wit.

Behind-the-scenes appreciation and commentary with our special guest - producer/director extraordinaire Nina Lopez-Corrado (The Mentalist, House of the Dragon, The Last of Us, Supernatural and more), who shares insider perspective on storytelling, directing character-driven procedural beats, and what makes episodes like "Paint It Red" resonate decades later.

Whether you're here for engaging character analysis, crime procedural breakdowns or enriching discussion about how this early episode of The Mentalist set the tone for it's long-running success, this is a rewatch you wont want to miss.

Keywords: The Mentalist Paint It Red, The Mentalist Season 1 Episode 13, The TV Police Podcast, Patrick Jane investigation, Cho Rigsby dynamic, stolen painting mystery, Nina Lopez-Corrado guest interview, CBS crime drama review, Mentalist rewatch discussion

Tune in now for a rich, analytical and fun revisit to one of The Mentalist's standout early episodes!

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5 days ago
1 hour 8 minutes 31 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E13 (AUDIO): Paint It Red. The Mentalist Rewatch

Get ready for a crime drama deep dive as we explore The Mentalist Season 1, Episode 13 - "Paint It Red", one of the most artful mysteries in the first season. In this episode, Patrick Jane and the California Bureau of Investigation (CBI) team are pulled into a high-stakes investigation when a $50 million priceless painting is stolen and a top executive is found bludgeoned to death in his office, triggering a thrilling pursuit that blurs the world of fine art and violent crime.

On this episode of The TV Police, your hosts break down: the intricate CBI investigation into the stolen artwork where clues lead from office politics to art world secrets.

The dynamic interplay between Owain Yeoman's "Wayne Rigsby" and Tim Kang's "Kimball Cho" as they handle crime scene challenges and creative police work with their signature mix of grit and wit.

Behind-the-scenes appreciation and commentary with our special guest - producer/director extraordinaire Nina Lopez-Corrado (The Mentalist, House of the Dragon, The Last of Us, Supernatural and more), who shares insider perspective on storytelling, directing character-driven procedural beats, and what makes episodes like "Paint It Red" resonate decades later.

Whether you're here for engaging character analysis, crime procedural breakdowns or enriching discussion about how this early episode of The Mentalist set the tone for it's long-running success, this is a rewatch you wont want to miss.

Keywords: The Mentalist Paint It Red, The Mentalist Season 1 Episode 13, The TV Police Podcast, Patrick Jane investigation, Cho Rigsby dynamic, stolen painting mystery, Nina Lopez-Corrado guest interview, CBS crime drama review, Mentalist rewatch discussion

Tune in now for a rich, analytical and fun revisit to one of The Mentalist's standout early episodes!

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5 days ago
1 hour 8 minutes 31 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E12 (AUDIO): Red Rum. The Mentalist Rewatch

The TV Police Podcast – Episode #12: “Red Rum” | The Mentalist S1E12 Rewatch

Guest: Sarah Pryzibilla (Key 2nd AD / 1st AD, The Mentalist)

In this episode of The TV Police Podcast, hosts Owain Yeoman and Tim Kang revisit The Mentalist Season 1, Episode 12 – “Red Rum,” joined by special guest Sarah Pryzibilla, who worked as a Key Second Assistant Director and First Assistant Director on the hit CBS series.

Sarah takes us behind the scenes of The Mentalist, breaking down the essential role of an Assistant Director in television production, from scheduling and on-set communication to maintaining character continuity across a fast-moving network procedural. The conversation explores how actor interpretations shaped character development, why The Mentalist stood apart from other police procedurals, and how comedy, drama, and mystery were carefully balanced.

Owain and Tim also reflect on the evolution of television since 2008, including the shift from film to digital, the rise of binge-watching, and how social media has changed casting and audience engagement. Sarah discusses her return to performing with her narrative podcast “1968 Black Flower Drive,” while the group examines the lasting legacy of The Mentalist and the continued influence of true crime storytelling.

Perfect for fans of The Mentalist, aspiring filmmakers, and anyone interested in behind-the-scenes TV production and police procedural storytelling.

Keywords:

The Mentalist podcast, Red Rum Mentalist, Sarah Pryzibilla, Assistant Director TV, The TV Police Podcast, Owain Yeoman, Tim Kang, Mentalist rewatch, behind the scenes television, TV production podcast, police procedurals, true crime storytelling, filmmaking careers

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1 week ago
43 minutes 29 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E12 (VIDEO): Red Rum. The Mentalist Rewatch

The TV Police Podcast – Episode #12: “Red Rum” | The Mentalist S1E12 Rewatch

Guest: Sarah Pryzibilla (Key 2nd AD / 1st AD, The Mentalist)

In this episode of The TV Police Podcast, hosts Owain Yeoman and Tim Kang revisit The Mentalist Season 1, Episode 12 – “Red Rum,” joined by special guest Sarah Pryzibilla, who worked as a Key Second Assistant Director and First Assistant Director on the hit CBS series.

Sarah takes us behind the scenes of The Mentalist, breaking down the essential role of an Assistant Director in television production, from scheduling and on-set communication to maintaining character continuity across a fast-moving network procedural. The conversation explores how actor interpretations shaped character development, why The Mentalist stood apart from other police procedurals, and how comedy, drama, and mystery were carefully balanced.

Owain and Tim also reflect on the evolution of television since 2008, including the shift from film to digital, the rise of binge-watching, and how social media has changed casting and audience engagement. Sarah discusses her return to performing with her narrative podcast “1968 Black Flower Drive,” while the group examines the lasting legacy of The Mentalist and the continued influence of true crime storytelling.

Perfect for fans of The Mentalist, aspiring filmmakers, and anyone interested in behind-the-scenes TV production and police procedural storytelling.

Keywords:

The Mentalist podcast, Red Rum Mentalist, Sarah Pryzibilla, Assistant Director TV, The TV Police Podcast, Owain Yeoman, Tim Kang, Mentalist rewatch, behind the scenes television, TV production podcast, police procedurals, true crime storytelling, filmmaking careers

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1 week ago
43 minutes 29 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E11 (VIDEO): Red John's Friends. The Mentalist Rewatch

Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) are back for an in-depth look at The Mentalist - Season 1, Episode 11.

This week, The TV Police dive into the series' most complete episode to date, "Red John's Friends".

A promising lead puts Patrick Jane back on the trail of the man who killed his family and an intricate game of cat-and-mouse ensues. The CBI team puts it all on the line, crossing professional boundaries and international borders to help their friend in his ongoing hunt for the infamous serial killer Red John.

Owain and Tim break down the twists, motives, performances, behind-the-scenes trivia and fan-favorite moments - plus trademark The TV Police banter, Cho deadpan, and Rigsby reactions.

Catch this episode now on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcasts and join The TV Police every week as Owain and Tim revisit The Mentalist with insights only the cast can deliver.

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2 weeks ago
55 minutes 45 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E11 (AUDIO): Red John's Friends. The Mentalist Rewatch

Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) are back for an in-depth look at The Mentalist - Season 1, Episode 11.

This week, The TV Police dive into the series' most complete episode to date, "Red John's Friends".

A promising lead puts Patrick Jane back on the trail of the man who killed his family and an intricate game of cat-and-mouse ensues. The CBI team puts it all on the line, crossing professional boundaries and international borders to help their friend in his ongoing hunt for the infamous serial killer Red John.

Owain and Tim break down the twists, motives, performances, behind-the-scenes trivia and fan-favorite moments - plus trademark The TV Police banter, Cho deadpan, and Rigsby reactions.

Catch this episode now on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcasts and join The TV Police every week as Owain and Tim revisit The Mentalist with insights only the cast can deliver.

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2 weeks ago
55 minutes 45 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E10 (VIDEO): Red Brick and Ivy. The Mentalist Rewatch

Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) return for a sharp, streamlined, no-nonsense look at The Mentalist - Season 1, Episode 10: "Red Brick and Ivy". This week, The TV Police dive into one of the series' most psychologically loaded early cases - a mystery that blends academic corruption, experimental science and a major figure from Patrick Jane's past.

The CBI team is called in to investigate the poisoning of a research scientist connected to the Stutzer Institute, an elite but morally questionable educational facility conducting covert behavioral experiments. Their inquiry quickly exposes a secret project known as the "morality engine", a program manipulating vulnerable students in the name of psychological advancement.

Complicating everything is the return of Dr. Sophie Miller, Jame's former psychiatrist - and the ex-wife of the murdered researcher. Her history with Jane becomes crucial to the investigation, pulling him back into traumatic territory while the team untangles lies, academic abuse, and unethical experimentation within the institute's walls.

Owain and Tim break down the twists, motives, performances, behind-the-scenes trivia and fan-favorite moments - plus trademark The TV Police banter, Cho deadpan, and Rigsby reactions - in an express format made for superfans.

Catch this episode now on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcasts and join The TV Police every week as Owain and Tim revisit The Mentalist with insights only the cast can deliver.

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3 weeks ago
40 minutes 1 second

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E10 (AUDIO): Red Brick and Ivy. The Mentalist Rewatch

Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) return for a sharp, streamlined, no-nonsense look at The Mentalist - Season 1, Episode 10: "Red Brick and Ivy". This week, The TV Police dive into one of the series' most psychologically loaded early cases - a mystery that blends academic corruption, experimental science and a major figure from Patrick Jane's past.

The CBI team is called in to investigate the poisoning of a research scientist connected to the Stutzer Institute, an elite but morally questionable educational facility conducting covert behavioral experiments. Their inquiry quickly exposes a secret project known as the "morality engine", a program manipulating vulnerable students in the name of psychological advancement.

Complicating everything is the return of Dr. Sophie Miller, Jame's former psychiatrist - and the ex-wife of the murdered researcher. Her history with Jane becomes crucial to the investigation, pulling him back into traumatic territory while the team untangles lies, academic abuse, and unethical experimentation within the institute's walls.

Owain and Tim break down the twists, motives, performances, behind-the-scenes trivia and fan-favorite moments - plus trademark The TV Police banter, Cho deadpan, and Rigsby reactions - in an express format made for superfans.

Catch this episode now on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcasts and join The TV Police every week as Owain and Tim revisit The Mentalist with insights only the cast can deliver.

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3 weeks ago
40 minutes 1 second

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E9 (VIDEO): Flame Red. The Mentalist Rewatch (Crystal Watanabe)

In Episode 9 of The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist, hosts Owain Yeoman (Wayne Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Kimball Cho) revisit the explosive Season 1 episode "Flame Red" - Rigsby's first arson case - with very special guest Crystal Watanabe, podcaster, Redditor, and dedicated The Mentalist super-fan.

Crystal brings deep fandom insights, theory breakdowns, character analysis and behind-the-scenes trivia that only a true The Mentalist expert could offer.

Together, Owain, Tim and Crystal unpack:

  • Rigsby's first big arson investigation
  • Key "Flame Red" plot twists and hidden clues
  • Character dynamics between Rigsby, Cho and Jane
  • Easter eggs longtime fans may have missed
  • On-set stories and memories from filming Season 1

This is the definitive The Mentalist rewatch companion for fans who love deep dives, behind-the-scenes stories, episode breakdowns and fan-driven analysis.

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1 month ago
1 hour 4 minutes 58 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E9 (AUDIO): Flame Red. The Mentalist Rewatch (Crystal Watanabe)

In Episode 9 of The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist, hosts Owain Yeoman (Wayne Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Kimball Cho) revisit the explosive Season 1 episode "Flame Red" - Rigsby's first arson case - with very special guest Crystal Watanabe, podcaster, Redditor, and dedicated The Mentalist super-fan.

Crystal brings deep fandom insights, theory breakdowns, character analysis and behind-the-scenes trivia that only a true The Mentalist expert could offer.

Together, Owain, Tim and Crystal unpack:

  • Rigsby's first big arson investigation
  • Key "Flame Red" plot twists and hidden clues
  • Character dynamics between Rigsby, Cho and Jane
  • Easter eggs longtime fans may have missed
  • On-set stories and memories from filming Season 1

This is the definitive The Mentalist rewatch companion for fans who love deep dives, behind-the-scenes stories, episode breakdowns and fan-driven analysis.

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1 month ago
1 hour 4 minutes 58 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E8 (VIDEO): The Thin Red Line. The Mentalist Rewatch (Ken Woodruff)

Join hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) for another deep dive into CBS's hit crime drama The Mentalist as The TV Police Podcast revisits Season 1, Episode 8 - "The Thin Red Line".

This week they're joined by special guest Ken Woodruff, The Mentalist writer, producer and show runner.

Go behind the scenes as Owain, Tim and Ken break down how a The Mentalist story is developed from idea to a final shooting script. Join them as they reveal what goes on in a network hit show writer's room and share never-before-told production stories from the early days of The Mentalist.

From nerve-wracking breakout sessions to last minute on-set decisions, this episode offers a rare look inside one of television's most beloved procedurals.

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1 month ago
1 hour 14 minutes 48 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E8 (AUDIO): The Thin Red Line. The Mentalist Rewatch (Ken Woodruff)

Join hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) for another deep dive into CBS's hit crime drama The Mentalist as The TV Police Podcast revisits Season 1, Episode 8 - "The Thin Red Line".

This week they're joined by special guest Ken Woodruff, The Mentalist writer, producer and show runner.

Go behind the scenes as Owain, Tim and Ken break down how a The Mentalist story is developed from idea to a final shooting script. Join them as they reveal what goes on in a network hit show writer's room and share never-before-told production stories from the early days of The Mentalist.

From nerve-wracking breakout sessions to last minute on-set decisions, this episode offers a rare look inside one of television's most beloved procedurals.

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1 month ago
1 hour 14 minutes 48 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E7 (VIDEO): Seeing Red. The Mentalist Rewatch (Jimmy Gadd)

Join hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) for another deep dive into CBS's hit crime drama The Mentalist as The TV Police Podcast revisits Season 1, Episode 7 - "Seeing Red".

This week they're joined by special guest Jimmy Gadd, the award-winning The Mentalist editor, producer and director whose storytelling helped define the show's signature tone and pace.

Go behind the scenes as Owain, Tim and Jimmy break down Patrick Jane's (Simon Baker) psychic scam showdown, reveal insider editing secrets and share never-before-told production stories from the early days of The Mentalist.

From hidden clues and creative camera choices to the friendships that formed on set, this episode offers a rare look inside one of television's most beloved procedurals.

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1 month ago
1 hour 7 minutes 13 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E6 (VIDEO): Red Handed. The Mentalist Rewatch


In this week's episode of The TV Police, hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) get caught Red Handed as they revisit Season 1, Episode 6 of The Mentalist.

From severed hand shockers to casino secrets, the duo break down Patrick Jane's mind games and the episode's mob-style twists. Hear exclusive behind-the-scenes stories, on-set memories, and detective insights from the cast who lived it. Also, Owain and Tim try their hand at a little mentalizing.

Join the ultimate The Mentalist re-watch podcast blending crime, comedy and nostalgia - one episode at a time.

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1 month ago
54 minutes 14 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E5 (VIDEO): Redwood. The Mentalist Rewatch

This episode of The TV Police dives into Redwood, one of The Mentalist’s most emotional early stories. Hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) explore how the CBS detective drama mixed small-town mystery with powerful character moments. They discuss the chilling case of Kara Palmer, Jane’s evolving empathy, and the moral complexities behind every Red John clue.

Featuring behind-the-scenes stories, cast reflections, and candid humor, this Mentalist rewatch podcast delivers the perfect mix of nostalgia and new insight. Owain and Tim reveal how filming Redwood helped shape the series’ heart—and its haunting tone.

Tune in and subscribe to The TV Police Podcast on Spotify, Apple, or YouTube, and relive The Mentalist one episode at a time.

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1 month ago
54 minutes 1 second

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E7 (AUDIO): Seeing Red. The Mentalist Rewatch (Jimmy Gadd)

Join hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) for another deep dive into CBS's hit crime drama The Mentalist as The TV Police Podcast revisits Season 1, Episode 7 - "Seeing Red".

This week they're joined by special guest Jimmy Gadd, the award-winning The Mentalist editor, producer and director whose storytelling helped define the show's signature tone and pace.

Go behind the scenes as Owain, Tim and Jimmy break down Patrick Jane's (Simon Baker) psychic scam showdown, reveal insider editing secrets and share never-before-told production stories from the early days of The Mentalist.

From hidden clues and creative camera choices to the friendships that formed on set, this episode offers a rare look inside one of television's most beloved procedurals.

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2 months ago
1 hour 7 minutes 40 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E4 (VIDEO): Ladies In Red. The Mentalist Rewatch (Karl Sonnenberg)

Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) return on The TV Police Podcast to unpack Ladies in Red, a standout episode of The Mentalist that blends high-society intrigue with classic CBI detective work. The hosts recall filming iconic moments, share on-set memories, and reveal why this story deepened fans’ love for Patrick Jane (Simon Baker). Special guest star Karl Sonnenberg, The Mentalist Police Tactical Advisor.

From hidden motives to Jane’s masterful mind games, Owain and Tim explore how the CBS crime series balanced charm and suspense. Their commentary highlights production secrets, cast chemistry, and the lasting appeal of this TV series rewatch for Mentalist fans.

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2 months ago
53 minutes 42 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E6 (AUDIO): Red Handed. The Mentalist Rewatch

In this week's episode of The TV Police, hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) go Red Handed as they revisit Season 1, Episode 6 of The Mentalist.

From severed hand shockers to casino secrets, the duo break down Patrick Jane's mind games and the episode's mob-style twists. Hear exclusive behind-the-scenes stories, on-set memories, and detective insights from the cast who lived it. Also, Owain and Tim try their hand at a little mentalizing.

Join the ultimate The Mentalist re-watch podcast blending crime, comedy and nostalgia - one episode at a time.

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2 months ago
54 minutes 31 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E3 (VIDEO): Red Tide. The Mentalist Rewatch (Leah Andrew)

On The TV Police, hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) revisit Red Tide, an early installment of The Mentalist that takes the CBI to a coastal town and a case steeped in local secrets. Leah Andrew joins as first fan guest host. The episode highlights Patrick Jane (Simon Baker) using sharp observation and psychology to read a tight-knit surfing community, exposing motives hidden behind calm waters.
Owain and Tim share behind-the-scenes stories from the set, talk team dynamics in the season’s first run of cases, and explain how the show blended sun-drenched scenery with a classic detective drama mystery. You’ll hear how production choices, guest performances, and Jane’s mischief shaped the tone that made this CBS crime drama so addictive.
Whether you’re deep into a Mentalist rewatch or discovering the series for the first time, this conversation offers insider context, smart clue breakdowns, and plenty of humor from the actors who lived it.
Subscribe to The TV Police Podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, and follow along each week as Owain Yeoman and Tim Kang reopen the CBI’s most memorable early investigations from The Mentalist.

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2 months ago
41 minutes 16 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist
S1E5 (AUDIO): Redwood. The Mentalist Rewatch

This episode of The TV Police dives into Redwood, one of The Mentalist’s most emotional early stories. Hosts Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho) explore how the CBS detective drama mixed small-town mystery with powerful character moments. They discuss the chilling case of Kara Palmer, Jane’s evolving empathy, and the moral complexities behind every Red John clue.

Featuring behind-the-scenes stories, cast reflections, and candid humor, this Mentalist rewatch podcast delivers the perfect mix of nostalgia and new insight. Owain and Tim reveal how filming Redwood helped shape the series’ heart—and its haunting tone.

Tune in and subscribe to The TV Police Podcast on Spotify, Apple, or YouTube, and relive The Mentalist one episode at a time.

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2 months ago
54 minutes 23 seconds

The TV Police: A Rewatch of The Mentalist

Welcome to The TV Police, the ultimate rewatch podcast of The Mentalist. Hosted by original cast members Owain Yeoman (Rigsby) and Tim Kang (Cho), this series dives deep into every episode of the hit CBS TV series The Mentalist. Go behind the scenes with never-before-heard stories, character breakdowns, and insider moments with cast and crew. Whether you’re a long-time fan of Patrick Jane and Lisbon or discovering The Mentalist for the first time, The TV Police delivers laughs, nostalgia, and true TV insight. Follow now for weekly drops of exclusive commentary, unseen secrets, and authentic chemistry from Rigsby and Cho themselves.