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The Two Cities

The Two Cities Podcast

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The Two Cities is a podcast dedicated to Theology, Culture, and Discipleship. Originally beginning as a blog back in 2011 (thetwocities.com), we have extended our eclectic array of theological integration to the world of podcasting. Co-hosts and contributors include: Dr. Amber Bowen, Dr. Josh Carroll, Dr. John Anthony Dunne, Dr. Grace Emmett, Jennifer Guo, Dr. Brandon Hurlbert, Stephanie Kate Judd, Dr. Grace Sangalang Ng, Stanley Ng, Rev. Dr. Chris Porter, Rev. Daniel Parham, Dr. Madison Pierce, Dr. Kris Song, Dr. Sydney Tooth, Rev. Dr. Nathaniel Warne, and Dr. Logan Williams.

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The Two Cities is a podcast dedicated to Theology, Culture, and Discipleship. Originally beginning as a blog back in 2011 (thetwocities.com), we have extended our eclectic array of theological integration to the world of podcasting. Co-hosts and contributors include: Dr. Amber Bowen, Dr. Josh Carroll, Dr. John Anthony Dunne, Dr. Grace Emmett, Jennifer Guo, Dr. Brandon Hurlbert, Stephanie Kate Judd, Dr. Grace Sangalang Ng, Stanley Ng, Rev. Dr. Chris Porter, Rev. Daniel Parham, Dr. Madison Pierce, Dr. Kris Song, Dr. Sydney Tooth, Rev. Dr. Nathaniel Warne, and Dr. Logan Williams.

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Episode #308 - C. S. Lewis & The Bible with Dr. Leslie Baynes

In this episode, we're joined by Dr. Leslie Baynes, associate professor in the Department of Cultures, Languages, and Religions at Missouri State University and the author of the book that we're discussing in this episode, Between Interpretation and Imagination: C. S. Lewis and the Bible (published by Eerdmans). Over the course of our conversation, we discuss Lewis's posture towards the Bible, his views on biblical scholarship, how diverse segments of Christianity claim Lewis as their own (sometimes in spite of his views on the Bible), and the way that Lewis made use of the Bible in the Chronicles of Narnia. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: the Rev. Dr. Nathaniel Adishian and Dr. John Anthony Dunne.

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6 days ago

1 hour 1 minute 19 seconds

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Episode #307 - From Dropout to Doctorate with Dr. Terence Lester

In this episode, we're joined by Dr. Terence Lester, who is a minister, speaker, community activist, author, and founder of Love Beyond Walls, a not-for-profit organization focused on poverty awareness and community mobilization. He also serves as the director of public policy and social change and as a professor at Simmons College of Kentucky (HBCU). And he’s the author of the book that we’re discussing today, From Dropout to Doctorate: Breaking the Chains of Educational Injustice (published by IVP Academic). In our conversation, Dr. Lester tells us about his personal story and educational journey, and reflects with us about matters of educational justice and injustice in higher education. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. Josh Caroll, Dr. John Anthony Dunne, and Rev. Daniel Parham.

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1 week ago

1 hour 9 minutes 44 seconds

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Episode #306 - Debriefing SBL 2025

In this episode, we debrief our time in Boston at SBL 2025. We discuss some of our highlights from the conferences, including our favorite papers and panels, and we took the mics around the book stalls for some impromptu interviews with (in order of appearance): Dr. Eva Puschautz, Prof. James McGrath, Dr. Andy Judd, Dr. Chris Fresch, Kent Hendricks, Dr. Emily Bruff, Dr. Jason Staples, Dr. Teresa McCaskill, Prof. Sean Adams, Dr. Erin Heim, and Dr. Hannah Craven. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne, Dr. Madison Pierce, Rev. Dr. Chris Porter, and Dr. Sydney Tooth.

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2 weeks ago

1 hour 16 minutes 54 seconds

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Episode #305 - Medieval Virtues and Vices with Dr. Grace Hamman

In this episode, we're joined by Dr. Grace Hamman, who is an independent scholar of late medieval poetry and contemplative writing, and is the author of Jesus through Medieval Eyes as well as the book that we’re discussing in this episode, Ask of Old Paths: Medieval Virtues and Vices for a Whole and Holy Life (published by Zondervan). Over the course of our conversation, we talk about the medieval understanding of virtues and vices, how they were categorized, and how they influenced medieval moral reasoning, and we learn how there's a lot that we could learn from Christians back then for our lives today. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Rev. Dr. Josh Carroll and Dr. John Anthony Dunne.

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3 weeks ago

1 hour 29 seconds

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Episode #304 - Political Polarization with Tim Dixon

In this episode, we're joined by Tim Dixon, who is the co-founder of More in Common, an organization that works to build stronger and more inclusive democratic societies that are resilient to the threats of populism and division. In our conversation, we discuss political polarization and perceptions of "the other side's" willingness to perpetuate violence for political purposes. Tim shares with us how his work has been to humanize the perspectives of other people with political views that differ from our own. As he illustrates, the data shows that we're all much more aligned than we normally think. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. Brandon Hurlbert, Stephanie Kate Judd, Rev. Dr. Chris Porter, and Dr. Logan Williams.

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1 month ago

1 hour 15 minutes 33 seconds

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Episode #303 - Rereading Revelation with Professor Greg Carey

In this episode, we're joined by Professor Greg Carey, who is Professor of New Testament at Lancaster Theology Seminary and Moravian Theological Seminary, and the author of the book that we’re discussing in this episode: Rereading Revelation: Theology, Ethics, and Resistance (published by Eerdmans). In our conversation we talk about the meaning of Revelation in the light of its historical and cultural context, but also in the light of our contemporary contexts, especially in the United States, with its unique political and social situation. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne, Rev. Dr. Chris Porter, and Dr. Kris Song.

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1 month ago

48 minutes 44 seconds

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Episode #302 - The Fourth Synoptic Gospel with Professor Mark Goodacre

In this episode we're joined by Professor Mark Goodacre, who is Professor in the Department of Religious Studies at Duke University and the author of The Fourth Synoptic Gospel: John’s Knowledge of Matthew, Mark, and Luke (published by Eerdmans). In this episode we discuss Prof. Goodacre's thesis that John knew and used each of the Synoptic Gospels. We consider how NT scholarship came to view John as independent of the Synoptic, matters of dating and how that affects the thesis, as well as alternative proposals. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne, Rev. Dr. Chris Porter, and Dr. Logan Williams.

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1 month ago

57 minutes 31 seconds

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Episode #301 - Scared by the Bible with Professor Brandon Grafius

In this episode we're joined by Professor Brandon Grafius, who is academic dean and professor of biblical studies at Ecumenical Theological Seminary in Detroit, Michigan, and he’s the author of several works on religion and horror, including the book that we’re excited to talk about in this episode, Scared by the Bible: The Roots of Horror in Scripture (published by Morehouse publishing). We discuss horrifying images in the Bible and how different sub-genres of horror films can help us think through the function and meaning of various stories in the Bible and what the terror might be doing rhetorically. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne, Dr. Brandon Hurlbert, and Rev. Dr. Christopher Porter.

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1 month ago

56 minutes 43 seconds

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Episode #300 - Celebrating 300 Episodes

In this episode, we're celebrating our 300th episode, which means that this episode is full of listener comments and questions, our responses to those questions, several examples of bloopers over the past two years, new music for the next 100 episodes, some exciting announcements and updates from the team, and the names of the winners of our nine book-bundle giveaways!

Many thanks to publishing partners: Baylor University Press, Eerdmans, IVP UK (Apollos), Wipf & Stock, Zondervan, and the Pop Culture and Theology series.

Team members on the episode from The Two Cities includes: Rev. Dr. Nathaniel Warne Adishian, Dr. Amber Bowen, Rev. Dr. Josh Carroll, Dr. John Anthony Dunne, Dr. Grace Emmett, Jennifer Guo, Dr. Brandon Hurlbert, Stephanie Kate Judd, Dr. Grace Sangalang Ng, Stanley Ng, Rev. Daniel Parham, Rev. Dr. Madison Pierce, Rev. Dr. Chris Porter, Dr. Kris Song, Dr. Sydney Tooth, and Dr. Logan Williams.

Thanks for listening!

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2 months ago

1 hour 56 minutes 35 seconds

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Episode #299 - The Mountains Shall Drip Sweet Wine with Dr. John Anthony Dunne

In this episode, we celebrate the release of our very own Dr. John Anthony Dunne’s new book on wine in the Bible as we conclude our series on alcohol in the Bible and Jewish/Christian traditions. As we talk about the topic of wine and beer in the Bible, John shares many stories with us about his interests in wine and beer, his family background and upbringing, his experience making beer and volunteering at a vineyard, and why he was interested in writing about his topic. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Rev. Dr. Josh Carroll, Dr. Brandon Hurlbert, Dr. Grace Sangalang Ng, Stanley Ng, Rev. Dr. Chris Porter, Dr. Kris Song.

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2 months ago

1 hour 32 seconds

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Episode #298 - Drunk with Professor Edward Slingerland

CW: Adult themes and language. In this episode we're joined by Professor Edward Slingerland, who is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada, Distinguished University Scholar and Professor of Philosophy at the University of British Columbia, and the author of Drunk: How We Sipped, Danced, and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization (published by Little, Brown Spark). In this conversation we discuss the role of alcohol relationally in the development of society through deepening trust and cooperation between people. Our conversation focuses on alcohol from its original developments on through to the present. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. Josh Carroll and Dr. John Anthony Dunne.

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2 months ago

1 hour 1 minute 6 seconds

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Episode #297 - Wine & Christian Spirituality with Dr. Gisela Kreglinger

In this episode we're joined by Dr. Gisela Kreglinger, who is the author of several books on wine, namely, The Spirituality of Wine (with Eerdmans), The Soul of Wine (with IVP), and most recently, Cup Overflowing: Wine’s Place in Faith, Feasting, and Fellowship (with Zondervan Reflective). In this conversation we discuss the nature of wine as a blessing, America's fraught history with alcohol, and how we can cultivate better attitudes towards drinking today. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne and Dr. Kris Song.

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2 months ago

52 minutes 49 seconds

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Episode #296 - Ascetic Eucharists with the Very Rev'd Dr. Andrew McGowan

In this episode we're joined by the Very Rev’d Dr. Andrew McGowan, an Anglican priest, Dean and President of the Berkeley Divinity School of Yale University and the McFaddin Professor of Anglican Studies and Pastoral Theology, and he’s the author of Ascetic Eucharists: Food and Drink in Early Christian Ritual Meals (with Oxford University Press). In this conversation we talk about eucharistic practices that used water instead of wine or no cup at all in the eucharist, and we think about eucharistic norms and ideals for modern practices today. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. Josh Carroll and Dr. John Anthony Dunne.

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3 months ago

1 hour 2 minutes 22 seconds

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Episode #295 - Sober Spirituality with Rev. Erin Jean Warde

In this episode we’re joined by Rev. Erin Jean Warde, who is an episcopal priest and recovery coach, as well as the author of the book we’re excited to discuss in this episode, Sober Spirituality: The Joy of a Mindful Relationship with Alcohol (published by Brazos). Over the course of our conversation, Rev. Warde shares a bit of her story with us and talks about the difficulty of being sober in Christian spaces. Among other things we also discuss the eucharist, some matters of hermeneutics, and whether all Christians are called to sobriety. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne.

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3 months ago

57 minutes 2 seconds

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Episode #294 - The Church & Alcoholics Anonymous with Professor Stephen R. Haynes

In this episode we’re joined by Professor Stephen R. Haynes, who is Professor of Religious Studies at Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee, and the author of several books, including the one we’re excited to discuss in this episode, Why Can’t Church Be More Like an AA Meeting? And Other Questions Christians Ask about Recovery (published by Eerdmans). Over the course of our conversation, Professor Haynes tells us about his own journey, the history of alcoholics anonymous and its relationship to other recovery groups, how best to think scientifically as well as theologically about addiction, and what the church could learn about the ethos of alcoholics anonymous. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne.

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3 months ago

51 minutes 21 seconds

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Episode #293 - Drinking with the Saints with Professor Michael Foley

In this episode we're joined by Professor Michael Foley, who is Professor of Patristics in the Great Texts program at Baylor University, and the author of Drinking with the Saints: The Sinner's Guide to a Holy Happy Hour (published by Regnery History). Professor explains how is book is designed to pair beer, wine, and cocktail recipes with the feasts days of the church calendar that honor various saints. Along the way we talk about interesting pairing choices that he made for different saints and nerd out about various cocktails and craft cocktail techniques. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne and Dr. Brandon Hurlbert.

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3 months ago

58 minutes 15 seconds

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Episode #292 - Wine & Beer in the Talmud with Professor Jordan Rosenblum

In this episode we’re joined by Professor Jordan Rosenblum, who is the Belzer Professor of Classical Judaism at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and the Director of the Mosse/Weinstein Center for Jewish Studies, and he’s also the author of Rabbinic Drinking: What Beverages Teach Us About Rabbinic Literature (published by the University of California Press). In our conversation we discuss how the Talmud relates to the Mishnah, how topics of drinking in the Talmud provide a helpful in-road into the wider sea of Talmud, key Rabbis that feature prominently with reference to wine and beer, and the matter of the four cups of the Passover seder. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne.

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3 months ago

1 hour 2 minutes 46 seconds

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Episode #291 - Wine & the Mishnah with Rabbi Drew Kaplan

In this episode we’re joined by Rabbi Drew Kaplan, who is Campus Rabbi for Cincinnati Hillel, hosts The Jewish Drinking Show podcast (over 175 episodes and counting), and publishes a weekly newsletter and Torah portion sheet on drinking that covers the Tanakh, Rabbinic Literature, Jewish history, Jewish practice, and more. In our conversation we talk about the appearances of wine and beer in the Mishnah, when wine is particularly a matter of controversy for the Rabbis, and how the Mishnah relates to contemporary normative practices among different Jewish denominations. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne and Stanley Ng.

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4 months ago

52 minutes 18 seconds

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Episode #290 - Dionysus & the New Testament with Professor Courtney Friesen

In this conversation, we’re joined by Professor Courtney Friesen, who is Professor of Classics and the Director of Graduate Studies in Classics at the University of Arizona and the author of Reading Dionysus: Euripides’ Bacchae and the Cultural Contestations of Greeks, Jews, Romans, and Christians (published by Mohr Siebeck). In our conversation we talk about the Bacchae and its interpretation as well as other legends and myths about Dionysus. This leads us to several topics of relevance in the New Testament, especially the alleged drunkenness at Pentecost in Acts 2 and Jesus turning water to wine at Cana in John 2. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. John Anthony Dunne.

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4 months ago

57 minutes 38 seconds

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Episode #289 - Drunkenness in the Old Testament with Dr. Rebekah Welton

In this episode we’re joined by Dr. Rebekah Welton, who is Lecturer in Hebrew Bible at the University of Exeter and the author of ‘He Is A Glutton and a Drunkard’: Deviant Consumption in the Hebrew Bible (Published by Brill). In our discussion we talk about broader conceptions in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible of feasting, excessive consumption, and drunkenness, as well as look closely at passages like Deuteronomy 21 and the law about the rebellious son. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities: Dr. John Anthony Dunne and Dr. Brandon Hurlbert.

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4 months ago

52 minutes 3 seconds